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Pulled the trigger and got a new laptop today. Going to get a new phone next pay check. I am hoping the prices don’t go up until after he is sworn in, but tech even older stuff is going to go up.

Side note the right to repair might become a hot issue again as people look at upgrading older models and realize they can’t sue to design choices made by the company.
 


My fundamental problem with left or right wing populism, is it always seems to involve saying incorrect **** voters like because voters don't understand it.

This stuff probably works for Bernie politically,

but if you actually had to deliver on anti immigration leftism, the project would end in tears.

I will never forget an article I read that said he difference between the democrats and republicans when it come to turn out and voter satisfaction is the republicans gave the base the populism it wanted and the democrats have continued to fight it tooth and nail.

Honestly I think at some point we might see the two parties split into four. The populist wings and the moderate wings of both parties do not align on policy beyond just the big picture concepts.
 
I will never forget an article I read that said he difference between the democrats and republicans when it come to turn out and voter satisfaction is the republicans gave the base the populism it wanted and the democrats have continued to fight it tooth and nail.

Honestly I think at some point we might see the two parties split into four. The populist wings and the moderate wings of both parties do not align on policy beyond just the big picture concepts.
I think this is true. The issue is also that republican populism is hate wrapped in identity politics baked in blaming the least of these and served in the echo chamber of right wing spaces. Republicans never have to deliver on anything so long as the base is motivated by hate. Not to mention many of the populist Republicans operate in a heads I win/tails you lose environment. If Dems win they get the benefits of programs designed to help everyone and if Republicans win they get the benefit of seeing people they hate suffer even if they suffer themselves.
 






“Your race neutral socialism pales in comparison to my racially inclusive neoliberalism”

*fails to be inclusive.*

—Democratic politicians past 2020


If you’re going to tell us that Medicare for all is racist or that we can’t break up the banks because it “wouldn’t end racism”, you don’t get to then turn around and start bragging about how you’re actually more racist than Republicans and that you enjoy hunting migrants for sport.

What are we left with after years of racist neoliberal “anti racism?”

Well, we still have bad health insurance and parasitic big banks BUT, BUT, we also have bi-partisan racism (and the same cynical electeds and pundits who called us racists in 2020, are blaming us for their 2024 loss, because apparently, lefties are now not racist enough).


TD;DR

Dems in 2020:

“We can’t have nice things but we can fight racism. send money”


Dems in 2024:

“We still can’t have nice things and you now have to be racist. send money”


In one respect, the Democratic Party zealously does adhere to the practices of Karl Marx.
 
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The silver lining of our gerontocracy



(Although I highly doubt that Donald Trump has friends in iron lungs)
 
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Seriously, why isn’t he doing this?

1.) All those rich-as-Crassus evil doctors and lawyers get nothing (the main talking point in 2021 since that is, apparently, the typical experience of most student debtor)

2.) “The court will strike it down,” yes, while Trump is president and large numbers of voters think the president controls these outcomes


Make Trump have another fight with angry, indebted, unemployed CS majors. Make student debt’s face change in the eyes of the median voter (the median voter considers computer guys to be more deserving than either legal/commercial professionals and definitely more worthy than women/humanities grads).
 
The silver lining of our gerontocracy



(Although I highly doubt that Donald Trump has friends in iron lungs)


Did I miss something here? Just because you've had polio doesn't mean you have to be in an iron lung. One of my 4th grade teachers had it as a kid and it caused issues with his legs/walking. He had to wear a brace on his right leg for pretty much his entire life, but he was absolutely not in an iron lung.
 


Seriously, why isn’t he doing this?

1.) All those rich-as-Crassus evil doctors and lawyers get nothing (the main talking point in 2021 since that is, apparently, the typical experience of most student debtor)

2.) “The court will strike it down,” yes, while Trump is president and large numbers of voters think the president controls these outcomes


Make Trump have another fight with angry, indebted, unemployed CS majors. Make student debt’s face change in the eyes of the median voter (the median voter considers computer guys to be more deserving than either legal/commercial professionals and definitely more worthy than women/humanities grads).


Cowards… I mean norms.
 


While Biden clearly healed the soul of America, he should take his talents to the Levant and do similar soul restoring working for the state of Israel.
 


This video is half right, the median American voter is a treat seeking monster who’d vote to eradicate small nations in order to get a discount on burger (to be fair, they have a boss who’d enslave that median American voter if they could get away with it).

However, Carter embraced neoliberalism and his speech about living with less coincided with his own anti unionism, austerity, deregulation, and financialization so telling the American people to learn to live with less, caused Carter’s messaging to be warped.

It was interpreted by a lot of blue collar workers as the guy, responsible for their declining economic power, telling to just forget about having a dental plan and to just shut up and go to mass more often. It was taken as a slap in the face.

Carter actually meant that already materially comfortable Americans should, at the margin, focus on things like their community and their overall well being, and that doing so would make you happier than expending all efforts to get that fourth home or that tenth car.

He wasn’t wrong. After a certain point, money has diminishing marginal value (and at the very extreme high end, money can have negative utility because it isolates the owner of that fortune and can cause them to lose a lot of good will and social clout, see the Elon Musk 2013 versus now 2024).

but the irony is that he played a role in shaping the material conditions where the CEO who dared to be kind to workers and their surrounding community and to sacrifice some profits (while still making plenty of money for themselves and shareholders) gets thrown out in favor of CEO who will put profits 100% over people.

Repeat that process over and over for decades and you get, well you get what we have now.

And what makes it so bitterly ironic, is that it was the Atari Democrats, sone of Carter’s strongest soldiers, that laid the groundwork for Silicon Valley’s stratospheric levels of accumulation at levels that could make Reagan loving Wall street Barons and Oil Tycoons blush.

Basically, the younger people whom the Carter speech were intended for, highly educated and upwardly mobile young boomers, not only ignored it but outdid everyone else on Earth in terms of gaining the whole world but at the price of their souls.

Hey, tech bros, I get that being normal and putting on a beer soaked softball game with the boys would be literally impossible. So start small, how about go from net worth 400 billion down to 100 billion and you focus on not destroying the biosphere.

Baby steps back to being human.
 


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