***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[worldbeefreeg]

friends don't let friend trust issue polling from activists groups.

Yea you’ll never accept that the unpopular issues that the Dems refuse to moderate on suppress their turnout numbers.

I’ll agree polling is really just a way to enduce consent and most of it is enormous but if you don’t see how the GAZA stuff was huge in terms of suppressing the youth vote toward the left than your just being obtuse.

What this election has proved is that being online is real life now. “Touch grass” doesn’t work cause we’re in the grass and if you spend time online you got the general despair that comes from the situation in the Middle East. The right is fully behind Israel and the left just offered pathetic words. Once again, your take was it was an jnwinnable issue but they lost anyway by not doing the right thing. That’s not a plan.

 

[Kierris]

Came across this video of an Asian guy going to both a Democratic and Republican rally..



8 minute video that made proud to be an American.

Both rallies had a ton of polite, nice people that treated him like a regular dude.

He didn’t know who Glorilla was. Dems focused a lot of healthcare, but didn’t walk through the solutions for other problems; felt the Dem solutions were understood by the people

Thought Trump really was easier to digest and people really believe in Trump as a person because they felt downtrodden and left behind in America.










Despite the rhetoric online, people tend to be chill in person.. the media and social media tend to focus on extremist on both sides.

I know you shills on both sides hate when people find positivity on the other side of the political spectrum. But this is a video is a more accurate representation of real life.. I have folks on both sides of the aisle and most people are cool, laid back even if y'all aren't aligned politically. We have to to stop treating politics like gangs. At the end of the day we're all American citizens. Even on here, you had folks coming at me and others for daring to not be doom and gloomers about Trump getting elected. Yall are being radicalized and don't even realize it. The internet/media isn't an accurate representation of real life.

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Also the economic blueprint for Dems should be moving towards a benefit system for people that provides them with the option of direct cash payments instead of always social programs + other **** that is great but they never connect the dots with as being a product of the governement helping them out.

People prefer money and a lot of minority folks got paychecks from the gov in 2020 and that was more beneficial to them than anything else the government has really ever done.

If AI is real, UBI is pretty unescaple anyway.

 

[atlsfinest]

I wonder when will be the next time we see a woman candidate

20 years. Republicans would never nominate a female candidate and Dems will take a generation off.

 

[JMB10215]

We will def have a women president one day. If my generation was the current 50 and 60 year olds, Kamala probably would have won last night tbh.

 

[finessence]

Mans willingly use to shoot up HEROIN

 

[Belgium]

Came across this video of an Asian guy going to both a Democratic and Republican rally..



8 minute video that made proud to be an American.

Both rallies had a ton of polite, nice people that treated him like a regular dude.

He didn’t know who Glorilla was. Dems focused a lot of healthcare, but didn’t walk through the solutions for other problems; felt the Dem solutions were understood by the people

Thought Trump really was easier to digest and people really believe in Trump as a person because they felt downtrodden and left behind in America.










Despite the rhetoric online, people tend to be chill in person.. the media and social media tend to focus on extremist on both sides.

I know you shills on both sides hate when people find positivity on the other side of the political spectrum. But this is a video is a more accurate representation of real life.. I have folks on both sides of the aisle and most people are cool, laid back even if y'all aren't aligned politically. We have to to stop treating politics like gangs. At the end of the day we're all American citizens. Even on here, you had folks coming at me and others for daring to not be doom and gloomers about Trump getting elected. Yall are being radicalized and don't even realize it. The internet/media isn't an accurate representation of real life.

Social media largely just allows people to say their true opinions without causing a public disturbance.
I'm not gonna go argue with random people in public unless it's something really egregious directed at a friend of me or something.

My usual taxi driver is a candidate for a local far right party and is unequivocally racist. I think he's bottom of the barrel scum but it's not like I'm gonna start an argument over it or anything.
We get along fine and we keep politics out of the conversation. That doesn't make them any better of a person. All that means is they're able to maintain a basic level of public decorum.

 

[Armada]

-13 million ballots is INSANE. Like unconscionable. Beyond a general debrief of why voters moved right, there needs to be some review of where the ballots didnt come back from and why. That's my biggest takeaway - why did people stay home?

A conspiracy theorist might think Trump's wails of voters fraud and interference are another case of projection, saying the quiet part loudly while committing the acts himself or with help from a foreogn friend thats already twice attempted to interfere. But those of us in their right mind will totally take at face value that there was a historic fallout from 4 and 8 years ago in terms of pure voter turnout for a candidate who seemingly garnered more enthusiasm than the prior two Democratic candidates.

But really it's just copium trying to make sense of the biggest political failing of our generation (which is saying something). Zoomers can go to hell.

I wanna know what percentage of that 13 million is white men. If it’s a very large percentage we know why they didn’t show up.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Yea you’ll never accept that the unpopular issues that the Dems refuse to moderate on suppress their turnout numbers.

I’ll agree polling is really just a way to enduce consent and most of it is enormous but if you don’t see how the GAZA stuff was huge in terms of suppressing the youth vote toward the left than your just being obtuse.

What this election has proved is that being online is real life now. “Touch grass” doesn’t work cause we’re in the grass and if you spend time online you got the general despair that comes from the situation in the Middle East. The right is fully behind Israel and the left just offered pathetic words. Once again, your take was it was an jnwinnable issue but they lost anyway by not doing the right thing. That’s not a plan.

1. people don't vote on foreign policy generally. any poll that tells you x would have won if the took position a or b o a foreign policy issue is not to be trusted.


2. Gaza SPLITS them dem coalition. either way you lose people. you just want them to be on your side. ultimately it wouldn't matter either way.

thats why issues that split your coalition are bad.

 

[smedroc]

I know DLF slander when I see it.

 

[Belgium]

I know DLF slander when I see it.

Well he's the most glaring example but unfortunately there is a shocking amount of people like this who exist.
Just look at the leftist content creator sphere and you'll see how rampant that view is. Armchair keyboard activists who are now morally grandstanding while sentencing the rest of us (and ironically Palestinians as well) to an infinitely worse condition.

I cannot overstate how much I despise these people to the core. I'll leave it at that.

 

[aepps20]

Before I sign off for a little bit I want to say the following.

1. NT is a great community with some of the best people I’ve ever known.

2. Thank you all for the kind words and the support.

3. I will be back but I have to decompress. So many emotions in this that extends beyond the election loss as the last time my mom was herself before she passed was when we won in 2020 and she really wanted Trump to be held accountable. Grief is still a daily struggle.

4. We all need to regroup as Democrats and those sympathetic to democratic causes and figure out what to do better and how to get our voters to consistently show up.

5. I still believe that there are more good people than bad people but not enough good people participate in the political process.

6. Times will be hard but we will survive them and hopefully those that supported this nonsense come back into the fold during the midterms after they come to their senses.

7. Lots of good ideas being thrown out and I have confidence that we will come back stronger from this once a proper assessment is made.

8. Never give up and quit fellas. We can’t stop organizing and participating in the political process. When we don’t they win.

 

[heelsandeers]

David Shreve: The irony of American political economics

The Democrats' consistent results and clear-cut policy advantages don't seem to matter.

dailyprogress.com

I posted this article prior to the election and given the results, I'd say it's still relevant. Dems have been fighting a losing battle on the economy for 60 years now

I still don't know what Trump has offered as a populist message that will bring inflation down, but Dems winning as incumbents in a high inflationary period was always a long shot

 

[1995]

Rehashing the liberal "we can now admit we rigged the election" joke from 2021

 

[Belgium]

David Shreve: The irony of American political economics

The Democrats' consistent results and clear-cut policy advantages don't seem to matter.

dailyprogress.com

I posted this article prior to the election and given the results, I'd say it's still relevant. Dems have been fighting a losing battle on the economy for 60 years now

I still don't know what Trump has offered as a populist message that will bring inflation down, but Dems winning as incumbents in a high inflationary period was always a long shot

I think this is generally an issue for most countries. Some more than others obviously.
The average person does not have the slightest clue about economics. I would qualify myself as pretty uninformed on economics but I might as well be a genius in comparison to the average voter. Ask an average person to explain how tariffs work, or the concept of trickle down economics and see what answer you get. If you even know what a capital gains tax is, congrats you're probably more informed on economics than 70% of voters.

In my education for example, I only had 2 hours of economics a week for 4 years in highschool. Might have even been just 3 years actually.
That's not enough for anyone to properly grasp economics without further self-study.

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Also the economic blueprint for Dems should be moving towards a benefit system for people that provides them with the option of direct cash payments instead of always social programs + other **** that is great but they never connect the dots with as being a product of the governement helping them out.

People prefer money and a lot of minority folks got paychecks from the gov in 2020 and that was more beneficial to them than anything else the government has really ever done.

If AI is real, UBI is pretty unescaple anyway

1. people don't vote on foreign policy generally. any poll that tells you x would have won if the took position a or b o a foreign policy issue is not to be trusted.


2. Gaza SPLITS them dem coalition. either way you lose people. you just want them to be on your side. ultimately it wouldn't matter either way.

thats why issues that split your coalition are bad.

1. If you positioned the claim for “do you want less of the budget going towards funding a foreign war that would get America entrapped in a dangerous conflict”, 8 out of ten people would rush to take that position. 7/10 now support a ceasefire, more would agree if it’s framed as American money going to waste.

2. Jews are Democratic for now but that won’t last as you see liberal ashkenazi’s like me disappear and conservative Jews like ballinsam23 being the dominant force who bemoan people receiving government checks as spending it on “sneakers, jewelry and flight”. The future of Jewish America demographically is a conservative one, it makes no sense to pander to those voters when they live in blue states anyway and the large majority would still vote for the Dems regardless of whether or not you cut off military aid to Israel, which 1. isn’t a popular position and 2. Bothers no significant demographic.

Once again, the Dems problem is there lack of authenticity. They claim to care about the climate, they claim to care about minorities etc. but little action is done but we see constant flip-flopping. Chasing efficiency and pragmatism get you nowhere in today’s climate.

 

[dacomeup]

We will def have a women president one day. If my generation was the current 50 and 60 year olds, Kamala probably would have won last night tbh.

Based on what exactly? Younger people (and particularly men) voted more in favor of Trump than they did last election

 

[05fordgt]

can't go into detail but alot of our warehouse jobs gonna be gone if Dejoy has his way.

Because he's gonna privatized it with the company he owns?

 

[elpablo21]

We will def have a women president one day.

Yeah just have to be white and not have the last name Clinton

I have no idea what Big Gretch likeability is nationally so maybe it'll be another woman down the road that finally does it. Dems def going straight white male in 2028

 

[finessence]

Based on what exactly? Younger people (and particularly men) voted more in favor of Trump than they did last election

Exactly. They “hate” women even more than the current demographic. I thought some dudes in here said men’s needs weren’t being catered to with that mentality, they’ll never vote for a woman

 

[Belgium]

Also, I think many people drastically underestimate the influence of social media political content creators. The likes of Adin Ross, or alternatively Hasan Piker on the left.
Parasocial behavior (comparable to the cultish devotion to Trump) is a rampant issue amongst streamers, and the influence they have on their communities should not be taken lightly.

 

[tr1ll]

Yea I think we need to let the idea of a woman president go for a while. Like 30-40 years, while.

 

[Kierris]

Social media largely just allows people to say their true opinions without causing a public disturbance.
I'm not gonna go argue with random people in public unless it's something really egregious directed at a friend of me or something.

My usual taxi driver is a candidate for a local far right party and is unequivocally racist. I think he's bottom of the barrel scum but it's not like I'm gonna start an argument over it or anything.
We get along fine and we keep politics out of the conversation. That doesn't make them any better of a person. All that means is they're able to maintain a basic level of public decorum.

I mean you just reinforced my point but yeah. Civility exists and people aren't out here being a holes to each other because of politics.

 

[Belgium]

I mean you just reinforced my point but yeah. Civility exists and people aren't out here being a holes to each other because of politics.

Yeah but as soon as the veneer of public decorum is stripped away, all of that civility disappears. If I look at my taxi drivers' social media posts, there's no civility to be found there. I don't post anything on my personal social media but as I said earlier, my actual opinion of him is about as low as it gets.

The only reason him and I get along is because we don't discuss politics and we're both able to at least uphold basic decency in public.
So how 'real' is this civility when it is only upheld by withholding our political opinions in real life interactions?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

1. If you positioned the claim for “do you want less of the budget going towards funding a foreign war that would get America entrapped in a dangerous conflict”, 8 out of ten people would rush to take that position. 7/10 now support a ceasefire, more would agree if it’s framed as American money going to waste.

this is why so many issue polls are lies.

if i put a poll if "if joe biden pulls out of gaza everyone will get an unlimited supply of popeyes chicken sandwiches "

of course everyone will say yes.

but in reality you political opponents will make arguments against YOUR framing.
if she went the opposite on gaza.

they would run ads about her being in league with campus radicals. and being the candidate of chaos and lack of order. and being anti jewish pro muslim.

Once again, the Dems problem is there lack of authenticity. They claim to care about the climate, they claim to care about minorities etc. but little action is done but we see constant flip-flopping. Chasing efficiency and pragmatism get you nowhere in today’s climate.

what are you talking about

there was literally a historic climate bill.

the biden administration bent over backwards to look like they care about minorities. what are we doing here.