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A combo of transplants, white residents who've always felt this way and various minority groups who think riding with the winning team will make them better off
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A combo of transplants, white residents who've always felt this way and various minority groups who think riding with the winning team will make them better off
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I think people forget the differences between 2016 Bernie and 2020 Bernie.
People liked Bernie because he's authentic, anti establishment, and was somewhat heterodox
not because they wanted socialism.
I thought Bernie was the best candidate in 2020, but he also got absorbed into the progressive activist blob.
and lost all the heterodox things that made him popular with swing voters.
People liked Bernie because he's authentic, anti establishment, and was somewhat heterodox
not because they wanted socialism.
I thought Bernie was the best candidate in 2020, but he also got absorbed into the progressive activist blob.
and lost all the heterodox things that made him popular with swing voters.
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my bad
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you guys have such a low opinion of your fellow americans.
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That’s because we live with them.
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Yea feel like most folks who voted for him, and even the Dems in congress
, were under the assumption that he was gonna serve 1 term from the jump then stand down come re-election time. He even alluded to as much himself on the campaign trail but down the line he changed his mind. That decision put the party in tight spot from the offset. Staying in the race until 3 months left of the campaign was always gonna provide a big handicap for whoever would be put on the ticket next.
Mistakes were made on the campaign trail for sure and that's what will continue to be discussed in detail but the hubris that led him to flip on running again played a big part in the eventual outcome
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How are you saying this to people who have actually grown up and lived here for decades while experiencing this firsthand??
The people who threw rocks at me and vandalized my parents’ home in 2002 after they thought we were Middle Eastern did that because Latinx activists from 2024 made them angry?
Those people have always been here. They just feel more emboldened now because they think there aren’t any consequences.
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im just observing something. i didn't argue.
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You guys sound like Mitt Romney Republicans after he lost.
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The monday morning quarterbacks placing the entirety of blame on their personal grievances are running rampant on Twitter right now
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remember guys! the true socialism has never been tried! never moderate, keep going left!!!
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black people don't like this, latinos don't like it, NOBODY LIKES THIS ****.
if progressive cultural politics loses you black and latino people. something HAS TO CHANGE.
How much of this is based on the perception of the Democratic platform vs the reality of the platform? Remember that perception is not only shaped by the party; it's also shaped by those who oppose it. When you look at the progressive parts of the Biden agenda, they had mostly to do with jobs and protecting rights, and little to do with granular culture war issues.
It is the Right that has been fixated on pushing the narrative that Democrats want to turn everyone into a trans person, and you're denying them their propaganda victory by blaming the Democratic messaging.
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This is probably the most depressing aspect of this election-people clearly want a strongman that does all of this.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump pushes for a third term at this point. The GOP would wholeheartedly support him, if so.
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Ian Miles Osh
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I don't even disagree with a good portion of this stuff and I'm not gonna act like men of other races aren't involved or feel unheard or whatever
Maybe this place has capped out progressing in some ways, doesnt feel farfetched at all. I just want Dems to still push for progressive policies and maybe it needs to be masked better so some of these men feel they're at the forefront of it instead of "They/Them".
Some of this talk just feels wicked though I'm ngl
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yah but the way dem aligned institutions talk about it is absultuley infused with granular culture war issues.
and fair or not people associate these institutions with the democratic party.
your political opponents are always going to charicacture you, lie about you ect.
it is a democratic party failure if you can't effectively combat it.
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there are other non americans in here.
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The tax funded gender affirmation for inmates literally began under Trumpwas this enough proof?rolaholic
Under Trump, U.S. Prisons Offered Gender-Affirming Care
The Trump administration’s approach is notable in light of a campaign ad that slams Vice President Kamala Harris for supporting taxpayer-funded transgender surgeries for prisoners and migrants.
Trump administration ‘signed off’ on sex-change surgeries for transgender prisoners
Officials in the justice department gave the green light to procedures in 2018 while Donald Trump was in the White House
www.telegraph.co.uk
He didn't advertise it but he had no problem with it being law while in power.
Nice personal letterheads from Liz but where is the actual policy centered around imposing 'latinx' on anyone?
The California bill on not needing to notify parents on their child's pronouns/name isn't some outrageous extremist thing to me I'm sorry
. Looking into it, sounds like a measure taken to safeguard kids from potential identity based retribution at home.That sort of thing literally doesn't impact anyone's lives outside of those that its aimed at protecting so I don't see rational reasons for outrage on that in particular
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Agree with all of this.
The thing is, progressives hated Biden over Gaza so any/all of his progressive policy victories were basically swept under the rug because of it.
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If this all boils down to is
Progressive beliefs, Progressive policy, Moderate language
I can get with that. It is a little annoying yea but I’m not gonna be like those people I just complained about that can’t see the forest for the trees. I want progress I want productivity and I want better lives for people.
Progressive beliefs, Progressive policy, Moderate language
I can get with that. It is a little annoying yea but I’m not gonna be like those people I just complained about that can’t see the forest for the trees. I want progress I want productivity and I want better lives for people.
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so, out of all of the progressive policies I talk about — you mention a trans prison ad that was irrelevant to any economic policy put forth by Biden or Kamala?
People absolutely vote on not wanting money that they feel should be going towards the country going towards wars instead. The rise of populism here has led people to not want to be in wars. Partly why Bush ended up so unpopular, and Trump ran the first time on ending forever wars. Wars aren’t popular. There’s a reason why Warhawks are on the fringes now
You say all this and then you make a distinction between some of the more cultural progressivism and actual progressive policies in the next post
. I’m clearing making an argument for the progressive policies, which you understand. Like I said, Biden and Kamala lost against inflation and being able to message the wins on the economy based on their progressive policies because people still felt the pressure of high groceries and gas. You’re doing the thing again.
I list out a whole bevy of issues and this is what I’m blaming it on
There’s a multitude of issues that lost the Dems the election and losing in connecting via the SM space, where most people consume content these days is a big problem. The whole party deserves blame. They failed. They clung to cultural issues that a lot of the electorate don’t care about or even were turned off by. But policies that improve housing affordability, financial stability, wages going up, etc are still popular. Moderating the message on that is not the answer. Your primary battle in this thread is always against cultural progressivism, to the point where you feel the need to divert the conversation to that when that’s not the topic. Yes, white people don’t like to be called racist. They haven’t for hundreds of years at this point. Latinos, Carribeans, Arabs and African immigrants seem to skew even more culturally conservative, and have a desire for proximity to whiteness that’s counter to the general Black American experience in this country. It’s something that the party will have to figure out, but I’m not in agreement that the answer is more moderate economic policy.
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Good Point.
Killed Any Prospect Of A Political Career She Could Have Had Moving Forward For What Might Have Been An Election They Lose Regardless Of The Candidate.
Dems Overall Burned Her And Biden In One Cycle, But She Def Took The Biggest Hit In This.
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