- Jan 30, 2007
- 28,535
- 43,650
***Official Political Discussion Thread***
- Thread in 'General' Thread starter Started by rico x hood,
- Start date
- Dec 19, 2013
- 17,356
- 24,444
Hell, people have already said that Obama's joke about Trump at the WHCD caused all this
sonoftony
Supporter
- Apr 3, 2005
- 29,255
- 23,452
dacomeup
Supporter
- Jan 20, 2006
- 26,758
- 37,994
You went from nobody is doing x, to only Palestinians are doing y, and it’s still wrong.
Again, messaging issue. They’re fighting perception which is something that they’ll have to figure out. It’s not a policy issue
- Aug 4, 2005
- 35,035
- 16,945
Definitely did not happen but point remains the same
- Aug 2, 2006
- 34,394
- 29,767
i didn't realize i needed to say this but when i say "nobody" im speaking colloquially,
obviously it's not literally nobody.
for me to believe that people care about this, show me the people that cared about Yemen, or cared about Libya.
maybe im misremembering it i don't recall any of that mattering to electoral outcomes.
the policies you chose to implement / champion is messaging. the two are intertwined.
in a high inflation environment and you are championing, student load debt forgiveness, child tax credit, increased stimulus spending.
that is a message and a policy.
- Jan 12, 2013
- 26,988
- 38,688
I'm not sure about electoral impact but I've made the Yemen point several times over in the Gaza/Israel thread.i didn't realize i needed to say this but when i say "nobody" im speaking colloquially,
obviously it's not literally nobody.
for me to believe that people care about this, show me the people that cared about Yemen, or cared about Libya.
maybe im misremembering it i don't recall any of that mattering to electoral outcomes.
I'm pretty sure that Libya had an electoral impact but only because the US directly intervened.
The US only provides indirect support to Israel and Yemen in those conflicts; political cover and arms deals.
The Saudi-led war against the Houthis in Yemen has killed a minimum of 100k people, with estimates ranging up into the 300k range.
In addition to that, the Saudi coalition has moved to a strategy of slow starvation rather than direct warfare. Many thousands of Yemeni citizens are bound to die in the coming years due to the massive starvation issue.
Despite this, Yemen gets practically no attention in comparison to Gaza, despite the US also providing arms deals to Saudi Arabia's military intervention and subsequent bombing campaign in Yemen.
I'm guessing part of this is due to a difference in strategy. Saudi Arabia has a vastly higher killcount in Yemen but they've spread it out through a much slower paced bombing and starvation campaign. Gaza on the other hand is a fast paced bloodbath that instantly racked up a massive amount of civilian casualties.
- Sep 3, 2014
- 6,371
- 7,379
Completely agree! There needs to be a teardown from top to bottom of the DNC. Schumer, Harrison, Jefferies.........they all need the boot!
- Aug 2, 2006
- 34,394
- 29,767
again im not saying literally nobody.
yah the freaks in the Israel gaza thread im sure, they care about a bunch of weird stuff.
which election did this impact? did anyone win or lose a presidential election based of this? did it significantly impact the margin?
like i don't think people are winning or losing election based of gaza or ukrain or libiya or Yemen.
- Aug 2, 2006
- 34,394
- 29,767
hmmm its almost like people aren't principally against america supporting problematic allies in foreign wars.
- Jan 12, 2013
- 26,988
- 38,688
I think you misunderstood. I'm not disagreeing with you. I just added some points I deemed relevant.
I think Libya does have a substantial impact, because people don't like direct US involvement in war. Libya is included in that category of Iraq etc.
- Aug 2, 2006
- 34,394
- 29,767
SAS 2028
- Jan 12, 2013
- 26,988
- 38,688
Indirect support is traditionally not viewed as particularly egregious in general. You don't really hear many people saying Iran is at war with x or y because of the conflicts that Iran's proxies like Hezbollah are engaged in.hmmm its almost like people aren't principally against america supporting problematic allies in foreign wars.
The Saudi model of warfare in Yemen has successfully proven that you can avoid virtually all political scrutiny if you sufficiently spread out your massacre over time, rather than causing huge bloodbaths in a very short period. Likewise, the Russian invasion of Ukraine is also a relatively slow conflict. There have been many casualties but none have been concentrated in a very short period of time.
Last edited:
elpablo21
Supporter
- Feb 11, 2008
- 107,094
- 197,821
- Jan 12, 2013
- 26,988
- 38,688
I can't answer that question without getting banned for promoting self-harm, sorry.
- Aug 1, 2012
- 897
- 992
- Aug 2, 2006
- 34,394
- 29,767
TO BE CLEAR I don't think they should nominate SAS.
but tbh i think there is a lesson in SAS general public persona.
SAS is almost certainly is a standard issue democrat. im sure he'd support most progressive policy.
but moderate or conservative men can watch first take and they don't think of him that way. He can go on fox news and be friends with Hannity
you can imagine him going on Joe Rogan and seeming cool and entertaining,.
you can be democrat without coming off like an out of touch weirdo.
but tbh i think there is a lesson in SAS general public persona.
SAS is almost certainly is a standard issue democrat. im sure he'd support most progressive policy.
but moderate or conservative men can watch first take and they don't think of him that way. He can go on fox news and be friends with Hannity
you can imagine him going on Joe Rogan and seeming cool and entertaining,.
you can be democrat without coming off like an out of touch weirdo.
- Jun 22, 2018
- 5,323
- 6,571
I work with the homeless in NYC and even some of them were pro-trump because the migrants are receiving better services than they are in many cases. Anytime a shelter was opened near a majority Caucasian enclave in the burbs it was met with protests, not always peaceful.
- Jul 18, 2012
- 8,578
- 8,469
- Feb 1, 2019
- 2,745
- 5,655
I hear this, but but to most everyone I know, their pay his gone up little to nothing over the past 5+ years and literally everything costs more money. Numbers gotta be heavily skewed to the middle and upper classes on these wage increases. We definitely aren't seeing them down here. I could see how people would vote for change solely based on that. Not me, but it's not surprising.
mplsdunk
Supporter
- May 25, 2004
- 30,586
- 41,435
My pay has gone up dramatically but yeah a lot of people’s haven’t. My sister in law got like a .15 cent raise or something crazy.
- Apr 23, 2014
- 44,762
- 17,078
Socrates/Gorgias thoughts on Rhetoric were very interesting
-"Gorgias argues that rhetoric is a powerful tool that can be used to persuade people and achieve Success in public life regardless of the moral implications of ones actions"-"Socrates insists that rhetoric if used without regard for Justice and Truth is a form of manipulation that leads people away from virtue."
.
Socrates' debates with Gorgias(the leading Sophist) could be a Degree at any UNIVERISTY.
As I type this I stop and just google Democracy and Sophism
insert from that link....."In essence, what Gorgias taught is what you still learn in English 102 or law school: how to win arguments by speaking well and manipulating the law to your advantage"
Gorgias thoughts on RHETORIC
Socrates thoughts on RHETORIC
- Oct 28, 2013
- 42,913
- 179,065
Air Champa
formerly champa
- Feb 23, 2017
- 2,436
- 4,487
Dems need a complete reboot. There's no doubt about that. They're probably going to try and find the whitest white man they possibly can. It just seems like that's the reality at this point. Maybe we can get a female vice president like Whitmer or something.
You sometimes have to wonder if Obama would have ever happened if George Bush hadn't messed up so bad.
You sometimes have to wonder if Obama would have ever happened if George Bush hadn't messed up so bad.
- May 3, 2009
- 10,347
- 26,866
this is NT. pics?
