***Official Political Discussion Thread***

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Chappelle bans cell phones at his shows, and certainly while filming a special. How did this get sent out?

person made a mental note and tweeted when they got out

 

[rexanglorum]

I imagine he has probably done more damage to the leftist movement than good. He lies constantly, bans dissent or criticism on sight, … and comes off as completely deranged to anyone who isn’t way up there in the radical scale. After election day, his subreddit was filled with supporters discussing their abstaining or voting third party because of Gaza.

I absolutely agree the left needs way more streamers etc
who can speak to the younger generation in plain and genuine language. However they should also not be so utterly unhinged to the point it turns away anyone who isn’t very radicalized.
There are other less popular streamers on Twitch politics that average about 7k viewers. They only stream when Hasan isn’t streaming and turn their stream off as soon he gets on.

Naturally, they cling to dear leader for some crumbs of clout. Here’s a list of controversies from just these past 2 months.

DenimsTV: Banned for offering an assassination bounty on a streamer’s head

DenimsTV again: Banned for hosting a race tier list where Arab = good and jews were bottom tier. Jew was masked by a dogwhistle. The bottom tier was “likes Sabra”, an Israeli hummus brand popular with jews.

CentralCommittee: Banned for offering 100k to assassinate a streamer

Frogan: Banned for also participating in the race tier list. No additional ban for stating she hoped US soldiers have lifelong PTSD and never have healthcare. Denims praised this and continually smiled and laughed at a streamer reacting to how his military dad has ptsd from his best friend being blown up by a mortar next to him. No ban for this either.

Notice a pattern?

Hasan flagrantly breaks ToS but he’s the CEO’s “favorite streamer” (CEO’s own words on video). He only ever got banned for repeatedly using racial slur, which I think was silly. He definitely used it at times in a way a racist would use the hard r, but the “slur” here was “cracker.”
A word that I as a white person consider a complete non-issue. It’s a slur but I think it is hardly ever used with racist intent, if anything I find it funny.
Hasan should’ve been banned countless for violating numerous different ToS rules but hey it helps to be the CEO’s favorite.



The online leftist politics community is sadly an utter ****show and desperately needs better representation with similar reach. The above people are divorced from reality.
It’s hard to understate how incredibly off-putting it must be for the average leftist to go online and see these completely unhinged people at the top.
There are smaller and far less radical options of course but people are naturally inclined to seek what’s popular, rather than what’s more obscure.

Again, I’m not defending him. But in the context of a left media sphere you want a bunch of shows that very in terms of the host’s intensity, areas of focus, presentation, ethnic background, etc.

Moreover, criticizing Republicans most of the time has worked for right wing radio. Same Dynamic as left online media.

Criticizing the Democratic Party is a way to establish credibility with new listeners, and credibility can lead to a parasocial relationship.

In my judgement, parasocial relationships with the listener was key to rightwing alternative media’s success.

It wasn’t “The Media” telling you how to vote, no, no, it was more a gym bro, who you think is kinda smart about politics, and he lets you know. In Hasan’s case, it’s happens to be “ugh ya like vote for Democrats, I guess, they suck but maybe a little better than republicans because republicans want to take away healthcare, Democrats will let you get ****ing fisted by your insurance company, but Republicans are like ‘no we need a lot more people to no longer have any insurance,’ evil **** dude.”


Aesthetically, culturally, and generationally, it’s not my cup of tea. But if I were 16-24 and lifted and gamed, and was kind of getting interested in politics.

Or maybe you’re in your late 20’s and you are relatively comfortable in your day-to-day but your future seems uncertain at best. You’ve cultivated an image of yourself as a Ryan Gosling’s most “sigma male” characters, and you’ve started lifting weights again and you watch weight lifting videos for a few weeks, I hope the first “political” tagged suggested video be of Hasan and not, well, pretty much every other lifting/politics channels.


That’s my take as a podcast junkie, At least. I have looked at hard data on left alt media and its relationship to Democratic voting patterns, but I have a feeling if such data existed, I’d be hearing about it from my hate follows (of which their are many) on Twitter.

 

[dmbrhs]

person made a mental note and tweeted when they got out

Even so, can't find anything to corroborate it. It would be immediately posted to conservative Reddit boards. It's just one person Twitter.

 

[Belgium]

IF this is accurate, and that's a big 'if' since that tweet is the sole source anywhere:

aepps20 You have my deepest condolences.
As an oppressed minority, us white folks need to stick together.
They've been coming up with new slurs like "cis white male" and it's disgusting
I might be on the other side of the pond but racism builds bridges.

In honor of the great orator:
Chapter 800-422-4453: (N word with a hard R)
- Dennis Prager

 

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the more I think of it, its just someone being facetious, unless dave had a stand up yesterday midday. There more like it's like something dave would do in a future set a year or two from now. Not that he did, but he would. and he would say it in that tone and cadence

 

[wavycrocket]

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[elpablo21]

 

[nonnative]

People talk about Joe Rogan this or that regarding the Dems but imo a significant and underrated problem is the online leftist politics community.

Again, THIS below (Hasan Piker) is the face of leftism online. He reached over 300k concurrent viewers during the election.
And here he is proudly justifying China’s annexation.
He literally describes China’s annexation as “good” because Tibet was a feudal state with warlords and slavery. There’s no missing context, he outright says it.
Same guy constantly saying he’s strongly against imperialism.
(Don’t mind the account, I just needed to find the clip)


That’s just scratching the surface but especially since Oct 7, it would be career suicide for a Dem politician to collaborate and make use of his massive audience.

His justification for China annexing Tibet would also justify invading and annexing basically any country with slave labor, child soldiers, … etc.

I mostly agree with what youre saying but I think there's a few problems.

1. You're vastly overestimating his reach and influence. I've never once heard or seen anyone in real life mention him and I run with some very liberal people. I only ever see him get mentioned either here or on some more niche boards/subreddits. He doesnt even make the front page of reddit and that is a generally very left leaning place. And 300k on twitch might seem like a lot but that is light work compared to what the right has in Rogan, Ross, Tate, etc. Hell, Tate had 800k paid subscribers.

2. The fact that you and a lot of us rightly criticize him is part of the reason we'll never catch up to the right in this space. We actually hold people accountable, fact check, and have standards. We realize he holds some bad views and talk about it and meanwhile the right is telling people that immigrants are raping their women and taking their jobs and the dems are to blame. They eat it up and want more.

The problem is that the right and left consume political media completely differently.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

if you post like this, you could become FBI director one day.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

and is traditionally masculine.

lolwut?
his audience is 70% female for a reason.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I mostly agree with what youre saying but I think there's a few problems.

1. You're vastly overestimating his reach and influence. I've never once heard or seen anyone in real life mention him and I run with some very liberal people. I only ever see him get mentioned either here or on some more niche boards/subreddits. He doesnt even make the front page of reddit and that is a generally very left leaning place. And 300k on twitch might seem like a lot but that is light work compared to what the right has in Rogan, Ross, Tate, etc. Hell, Tate had 800k paid subscribers.

2. The fact that you and a lot of us rightly criticize him is part of the reason we'll never catch up to the right in this space. We actually hold people accountable, fact check, and have standards. We realize he holds some bad views and talk about it and meanwhile the right is telling people that immigrants are raping their women and taking their jobs and the dems are to blame. They eat it up and want more.

The problem is that the right and left consume political media completely differently.

I agree, the problem isn't so much with Hassan in the specific.
the problem is the Dems just don't have a committed and aggressive propaganda outlet that is singularly focused on electing democrats.

The current media space you have;

- Explicitly political right wing outlets that **** on democrats 24/7
- Non political right coded outlets that **** on democrats when politics comes up.
- Left wing outlets that **** on democrats 80% of the time.
- MSM CNN, NYTimes, WaPost which have liberal biases. but will happily **** on democrats if it will generate ratings.
- MSNBC, which is more about providing infotainment to college educated progressives, and will also **** on democrats by fixating on the most divisive culture war topics.

 

[mplsdunk]

people hate the establishment. Trump is anti establishment and wants to destroy it so people like that.

Dems need to beef up their populist game to compete imo, mean tweets and all.

 

[05fordgt]

if you post like this, you could become FBI director one day.

We are officially without a shadow of a doubt or question, the laughing stock of the world. This ******* sucks!

 

[1995]

 

[Belgium]

lolwut?
his audience is 70% female for a reason.

I don't want to put words in rexanglorum 's mouth but I think he means a strong manly man rather than the frail or fat stereotype. Helps that he's very handsome of course.
Sure he occasionally paints his nails or whatever but without any context, he looks like what the manosphere aspires to be. I assume that's what he meant by traditionally masculine.

As opposed to whatever this Hasan cloutchaser (MikeFromPA/CentralCommittee) is supposed to be. One of the top Twitch politics streamers as well who leaches off Hasan and only streams when he the Hasan viewers don't have anywhere else to go. Recently got banned for offering a 100k assassination bounty on a streamer Hasan doesn't like (Destiny).

I mean, look at this lol. It's so shameless. Grown man desperately begging for just one drop of that clout.

 

[rolaholic]

 

[Belgium]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I don't want to put words in rexanglorum 's mouth but I think he means a strong manly man rather than the frail or fat stereotype. Helps that he's very handsome of course.
Sure he occasionally paints his nails or whatever but without any context, he looks like what the manosphere aspires to be. I assume that's what he meant by traditionally masculine.

i get what you mean but theres a nuance thats being missed,

there's a big difference between what people find sexually attractive, and aspirationally attractive.

women and gay men find Hassan to be sexually attractive.
young men generally don't find him aspirationally attractive.

there's a reason why terms like "pretty boy", or for women and girls "pick me" exist

because there's a difference between what the two genders want to be like vs want to have sex with.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

If Fox News acted like MSNBC or left media;

Their hosts would have entire tv segments agonizing about whether they can support Donald Trump because he's pro-genocide of the unborn.

Fox would create content foregrounding pro life issues, and constantly forcing republicans to take pro life stances.

they'd have a pro life activist on, who will say "It's hard to give my vote to Genocide Trump but I guess I have no choice"


Fox News is singularly focused on electing republicans, so when its time for an election they mostly just ignore or downplay all the pro life activist and fall in line.

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[Belgium]

i get what you mean but theres a nuance thats being missed,

there's a big difference between what people find sexually attractive, and aspirationally attractive.

women and gay men find Hassan to be sexually attractive.
young men generally don't find him aspirationally attractive.

there's a reason why terms like "pretty boy", or for women and girls "pick me" exist

because there's a difference between what the two genders want to be like vs want to have sex with.

What about the aspirational obsessions the likes of Andrew Tate etc foster? People have continued becoming more and more parasocial.

I think a lot of straight men are just really insecure about calling a dude handsome. It's often some "you gay?", "ayo...", "pause", ... or some variation of that implication when you as a straight man called another man handsome.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

What about the aspirational obsessions the likes of Andrew Tate etc foster? People have continued becoming more and more parasocial.

exactly
Andrew Tate is asparationally attractive. he's what some immature young men think is attractive and cool. women don't find him as attractive as men do.

I think a lot of straight men are just really insecure about calling a dude handsome. It's often some "you gay?", "ayo...", "pause", ... or some variation of that implication when you as a straight man called another man handsome.

sure that exists but I don't think it's really a factor we see the exact same dynamic with women.

if you're a women you want to be attractive, but not attractive in a way that is aggressively appealing to men.
if you are too male attractive you get socially sanctioned
and there's research to this effect.

same thing happens with men. the "pretty boy" usually gets made fun of.

Hassan fits into the pretty boy slot, and attractive guy who is hyper appealing and solicitous of female attention.

hence why despite twitch being a 70% male platform, he has a 70% female audience. its not because men are scared to watch him, it's because young men aren't drawn to that type of guy.

 

[gry60]

This is the kind of **** I'm talking about left-leaning folks must stop doing.

Stop giving praise to people who don't think about you and would never do the same. You look weak. You legitimize those fools.

The only thing I want to see these leftist elected officials do is ask "why is Elon Musk overseeing the DoD when he benefits from their contracts through SpaceX?"