***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[sundoobie]

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Don't indulged losers man.


A vote for Jill Stien is a vote for Trump.

And the attacks, ridicule and smearing keeps on coming for poor ol Jill

I mean Jill Stein has only been campaigning to dismantle institutional racism/sexism, for a single-payer health care system, fighting climate change, and ending mass incarceration.

Yes Jill isn't the perfect candidate and has many flaws but she is genuine and for the most part I agree with her platform. .

 

[illmatic34]

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And the attacks, ridicule and smearing keeps on coming for poor ol Jill

I mean Jill Stein has only been campaigning to dismantle institutional racism/sexism, for a single-payer health care system, fighting climate change, and ending mass incarceration.

Yes Jill isn't the perfect candidate and has many flaws but she is genuine and for the most part I agree with her platform. .

She hasn't even held political office tho

 

[EddieDoyers]

I wonder how Trump is going to fare against the lawsuits he's going to have to face for next coming months

Continuance, continuance, continuance, found no evidence, dismissal right around time to start campaigning for his 2nd term.

We will see November 28th

 

[sfc415]

That's not the point. You have dudes in here basically saying you HAVE to vote for a certain candidate even if you disagree with that candidate, otherwise your vote is a wasted/spoiler vote. What happened to voting for who YOU want to vote for? Stop blaming third parties for Trump winning and start blaming the inbred hicks who voted for him and the lazy fat @$@ dudes that can't spend 5 minutes of their day to go vote

 

[Belgium]

At the end of the day Hillary and the DNC need to take a large part of the blame as well. There is no reason anyone vowing to turn a first world country back to the 1800s with anti-science, anti-abortion and anti-LGBT rhetoric should be elected in 2016. Those medieval regressive policies need to stay where they belong; the past. It's rather ironic how it's always muslim countries this and muslim countries that yet those policies would fit right at home there. His supreme court pick will set the country's civil rights back several decades at least if he sticks to what he said in the campaign.

Trump's campaign was drenched in explicit bigotry and dog whistles from start to finish unlike anything we've seen before in recent memory, yet this man won.

If Hillary was more open and genuine about her many flaws that would've gone a long way. Trump's candidacy proved that there is a great number of citizens deeply dissatisfied about the current political climate, and I think she clearly failed in trying to bridge that gap.

The Belgian parliament had a debate about the potential economic consequences this afternoon. Haven't had the chance to watch it yet but I'll take a look tomorrow. Probably a circus in there again as usual.

I went to a comedian's show in Ghent earlier tonight with some friends and on the walk there it was all Trump everywhere. Mostly disgust and a lot of "Americans are the dumbest people on this planet" reactions; even saw a female crying about it. Some of my friends' coworkers cried at work as well

Most people I know have already been in heated arguments about it at work and on social media. Loads of criticism towards US media as well.

Though the reactions haven't all been that extreme of course.

My close circle is pretty evenly split between leftists and conservatives and while not all that surprising, my friend with 4 college degrees turned out to be pretty indifferent to Trump winning. We've always been opposite of eachother on the political spectrum but thankfully we can have casual conversations about it despite quite different views. I just hope it stays that way.

 

[dathbgboy]

That's not the point. You have dudes in here basically saying you HAVE to vote for a certain candidate even if you disagree with that candidate, otherwise your vote is a wasted/spoiler vote.

That's not democracy, and that's why the 2 party system will continue to thrive.

 

[i m legend]

At the end of the day, Democracy won. Maybe in 4 years the Democratic party will have there **** together.

 

[MVP]

Nice stats. Tell me, would you rather vote for who you believe or be forced to vote for someone you completely disagree with but happens to be in your party?

The question its how many people actually believed in the candidate vs were just doing it because they couldn't get their way with Bernie. Cause leading up to the election even in liberal California there were a lot of spiteful individuals, some of who couldn't name a single policy position Stein or Johnson had. They felt cheated by the DNC and Hillary to an extent and decided the policy and message wasn't worth the greater good. The 2 party system isn't going anywhere, this election may have cemented that fact more than ever.

As for who I'd vote for it already said back in 2008 in FL I voted for Obama, but if somehow then Hillary won the nomination I wasn't NOT going to vote for her just cause she wasn't my preference. The consequences are too great.

 

[sundoobie]

She hasn't even held political office tho

Right. Green Party candidates have never been elected to the House or Senate.

 

[d nice]

The problem with Greens and other 3rd party candidates is that they don't have enough traction on the ground to build from the top down like Dems and Repubs. They need to start at the grass roots level and win more seats before they can seriously challenge in presidential elections. I voted 3rd party this election because I knew the candidate and her grassroots work in AIM. There really needs to be a concerted effort to build from the ground up. If not, they'll be having this conversation again in the future.

 

[Belgium]

At the end of the day, Democracy won. Maybe in 4 years the Democratic party will have there **** together.

Hillary won the popular vote. Technically I wouldn't really call that democracy. But yes the DNC will have to get their **** together in the upcoming years

 

[sfc415]

At the end of the day, Democracy won. Maybe in 4 years the Democratic party will have there **** together.

exactly. Dudes in here crying about Trump winning and blaming Jill Stein instead of realizing that majority of this country's people are @#%@ and picked a @$%@ candidate that perfectly represents who they really are. It's a perfect match.

 

[the antihype]

mmmmm.... NPR tears were delicious this morning today.

time for some NT liberal group think dinner grievances burgers to munch on

lets not forget, Democrats wrote off da electorate Donald Trump used to fuel his Election win.

Blue collar white people were da back bone for da DNC, and Trump took grabbed em up like pokemon go stops

Pennsylvania & Michigan Aint gone red since da EIGHTIES

and trump almost won Minnesota...and that ain't gone red since 1972.

DNC stop being for da every day working man and started to cater exclusively to da "smug style elitist professional class"

Crazy, I'm so disappointed that my state of Nevada choked and went blue last night.

 

[rolaholic]

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And the attacks, ridicule and smearing keeps on coming for poor ol Jill

I mean Jill Stein has only been campaigning to dismantle institutional racism/sexism, for a single-payer health care system, fighting climate change, and ending mass incarceration.

Yes Jill isn't the perfect candidate and has many flaws but she is genuine and for the most part I agree with her platform. .

She hasn't even held political office tho

Same for the president-elect

 

[MVP]

But hey keep voting 3rd party it's only led to 8 years of George W. and now hopefully only 4 years of Drumpf.

 

[EddieDoyers]

I feel like we are going in a circle in here. The facts were that Hillary lost due to Democrat voters not going out there to vote and the Trump supporters came in full support. It's all in the past. Focus should be on how the DNC should repair their reputation after the L they just took.

 

[whywesteppin]

yup. it shouldn't have been close enough for the electoral college to matter. it shouldn't have been close enough for a 3rd party candidate to matter.

but it was too close. the detailed numbers won't change that. we need to acknowledge, address, and fix these problems.

 

[i m legend]

Hillary won the popular vote. Technically I wouldn't really call that democracy. But yes the DNC will have to get their **** together in the upcoming years

That's why we have the electoral system. Yes the popular vote went to HRC but Trump won majority of the states.

 

[Belgium]

But hey keep voting 3rd party it's only led to 8 years of George W. and now hopefully only 4 years of Drumpf.

Probably some Mike Pence as well. I doubt he'll manage a full 4 years without finding some way to get himself impeached.

 

[whywesteppin]

Hillary won the popular vote. Technically I wouldn't really call that democracy. But yes the DNC will have to get their **** together in the upcoming years

That's why we have the electoral system. Yes the popular vote went to HRC but Trump won majority of the states.

so you'd be fine if the electoral representatives decided to put in their votes for Hillary?

that's the democracy we have.

 

[getback]

 

[Belgium]

I feel like we are going in a circle in here. The facts were that Hillary lost due to Democrat voters not going out there to vote and the Trump supporters came in full support. It's all in the past. Focus should be on how the DNC should repair their reputation after the L they just took.

In the words of Trump, they gotta drain the swamp. Losing to Trump of all people is a monumental L that won't be easily repaired.

 

[i m legend]

so you'd be fine if the electoral representatives decided to put in their votes for Hillary?

that's the democracy we have.

This should be the wake up call for them. If it doesn't, then expect 4 more years of Trump.

 

[sundoobie]

The problem with Greens and other 3rd party candidates is that they don't have enough traction on the ground to build from the top down like Dems and Repubs. They need to start at the grass roots level and win more seats before they can seriously challenge in presidential elections. I voted 3rd party this election because I knew the candidate and her grassroots work in AIM. There really needs to be a concerted effort to build from the ground up. If not, they'll be having this conversation again in the future.

American Indian Movement right?

 

[d nice]

American Indian Movement right?

Yeah. Dennis banks was one of her running mates