***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[EddieDoyers]

I'm sure it will get passed, I mean no free market loving capitalist would want to stop technology from lowing the cost of production

Now would they

Capitalism yields to America First...u still forgot who became president.

So you're really for National Socialism over Capitalism?

 

[rolaholic]

Some of the new WH chief strategist's best work...

https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/17/breitbart-news-worst-headlines/212467

 

[ninjahood]

I'm sure it will get passed, I mean no free market loving capitalist would want to stop technology from lowing the cost of production

Now would they

Capitalism yields to America First...u still forgot who became president.

So you're really for National Socialism over Capitalism?

*sigh*

Trump is da President now...Blue collar folks got his immediate ear, things that threaten them will be dealt with, not in a Luddite sense, but in a executive prioritization initiative exercise.

 

[ninjahood]

Some of the new WH chief strategist's best work...

https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/17/breitbart-news-worst-headlines/212467

Media Matter

 

[Teknoman]

legislation has to be passed for them to be road legal.. remember that.

It's all about the $$$. You know the legislation will get passed.

Automated trucks will be touted as safer. They obey all traffic laws. They dont get tired and suffer from fatigue. They will "reduce the cost of purchased good.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I'm sure it will get passed, I mean no free market loving capitalist would want to stop technology from lowing the cost of production

Now would they

Capitalism yields to America First...u still forgot who became president.

So let me get this straight, you all in for pure unfiltered capitalism....................except when you aren't

Seem kinds hypocritical

 

[gry60]

I'm sure it will get passed, I mean no free market loving capitalist would want to stop technology from lowing the cost of production

Now would they

Capitalism yields to America First...u still forgot who became president.

Somebody sounds scared. If what's going on with Uber and taxis is any indication, you'll be wrong.

 

[rolaholic]

Some of the new WH chief strategist's best work...

https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/17/breitbart-news-worst-headlines/212467

Media Matter

There's absolutely zero fabrication though

 

[gry60]

I'm sure it will get passed, I mean no free market loving capitalist would want to stop technology from lowing the cost of production

Now would they

Capitalism yields to America First...u still forgot who became president.

So you're really for National Socialism over Capitalism?

*sigh*

Trump is da President now...Blue collar folks got his immediate ear, things that threaten them will be dealt with, not in a Luddite sense, but in a executive prioritization initiative exercise.

No no no.

Y'all got used for your votes.

My uncle is blue collar. Been driving a cab for 20+ years. Earned enough to get into real estate as a side business. He had to switch to Uber limo because they have put yellow cars out of business in every city they moved their operations to. Now, they are testing driverless cabs in Pittsburg and they have enough venture capitalist money to pay off any city official they need to to make sure that their cabs keep operating. Cab companies that didn't move into the digital world went belly up. The ones that don't figure out how to eliminate their drivers will also go bankrupt.

Tha's the stuff we keep talking about, and no industry will be immune to these changes.

 

[ninjahood]

legislation has to be passed for them to be road legal.. remember that.

It's all about the $$$. You know the legislation will get passed.

Automated trucks will be touted as safer. They obey all traffic laws. They dont get tired and suffer from fatigue. They will "reduce the cost of purchased good.

guess u missed da part that they still haven't cracked da code of ethics when driving, I.E. if a dog or baby is in da way who do u run over while also saving da driver.

 

[EddieDoyers]

I'm sure it will get passed, I mean no free market loving capitalist would want to stop technology from lowing the cost of production

Now would they

Capitalism yields to America First...u still forgot who became president.

So you're really for National Socialism over Capitalism?

*sigh*

Trump is da President now...Blue collar folks got his immediate ear, things that threaten them will be dealt with, not in a Luddite sense, but in a executive prioritization initiative exercise.

No no no.

Y'all got used for your votes.

My uncle is blue collar. Been driving a cab for 20+ years. Earned enough to get into real estate as a side business. He had to switch to Uber limo because they have put yellow cars out of business in every city they moved their operations to. Now, they are testing driverless cabs in Pittsburg and they have enough venture capitalist money to pay off any city official they need to to make sure that their cabs keep operating. Cab companies that didn't move into the digital world went belly up. The ones that don't figure out how to eliminate their drivers will also go bankrupt.

Tha's the stuff we keep talking about, and no industry will be immune to these changes.

also blue collar folks don't control Trump

they are about to be used for temporary labor for the energy industry though before they get dumped for machines and robots

I feel bad for the rust belt

Also this is a pretty good article by the Federalist pointing out Trump isn't a true conservative.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/09/alt-right-indicates-extreme-socialism/

Speaking August 25 in Reno, Nevada, Democratic candidate for president Hillary Clinton accused her Republican opponent Donald Trump of having knowingly rallied a mob drawn from the shadowy “alt-right” to his banner. Furthermore, she said that by appointing alt-right spokesman Steve Bannon as his campaign chairman, Trump was effecting an unholy merger between that malevolent movement and the Republican Party.

These incendiary charges provoked cries of foul play and accusations of name-calling from Trump supporters. Unfortunately, as many conservatives supporting other candidates in the GOP primaries—anti-Trump writers and editors, and members of the Never Trump and FreeThe Delegates movement—who faced violent abuse and death threats from Trumpists know from first-hand experience, everything she said was entirely true.

Indeed, her statements were more true than she, an outsider to the Republican process, could possibly know. As conservative writer Claire Berlinski recently pointed out, it is a tragedy and a disgrace that someone like Paul Ryan did not give her speech some time ago, so the catastrophe underway might have been averted.

The conservative movement should have rejected the alt-right long ago, because the alt-right is not, properly speaking, really part of what deserved to be considered “the Right.” It is not part of the free-enterprise Right, or the Christian Right, or the national security Right. Rather, it is part of what some might call the nativist Right.

But is nativism truly an American conservative ideology? Our nation was founded on the proposition that all men are created equal, with inalienable rights granted by no less authority than God. How can a movement that explicitly denies that creed be considered conservative? And if the alt-right isn’t conservative, then what is it?

Trump’s militant opposition to illegal immigration might seem to make him a conservative, at least on that one issue. There is a conservative case against illegal immigration on the basis of support for rule of law and the need for assimilation. But Trump does not support the rule of law. He is a flagrant abuser of the law, and through his casinos and related enterprises has been a major player in an industry notorious for its links to organized crime.

He personally has scammed thousands of Americans out of their life savings, investors out of their investments, and vendors out of their fees, practices which under a more equitable legal system would more likely make him a candidate for the penitentiary than the presidency. So for Trump, the illegal immigration question can hardly be about the sacred rule of law. As for the alt-right, its long criminal history makes any protestations of concern for legal niceties from that quarter absurd on their face.

The primary case most immigration restrictionists openly advance, labor protectionism, is anti-free enterprise, and thus not a conservative argument. The primary cases covertly advanced are xenophobia and racism, which are anti-Judeo-Christian and contrary to the doctrine enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, respectively, and thus also not conservative arguments.

Even so, reasonable people can differ on the pragmatic side of immigration policy. While growing America by adding more people with additional skills is clearly a constructive act, there are practical limits to the rate at which such people can be assimilated, and what those levels are is a matter for rational debate. But it is apparent that for Trump the immigration issue is not about any practical policy. Rather, as demonstrated by his blood libel claiming that on 9/11 New Jersey’s Muslim Americans were standing on their rooftops cheering as their fellow citizens in the Twin Towers burned alive, it is fodder for xenophobic demagoguery.

So, is Trump an inconsistent combination of “left-wing” policies on most issues with “right-wing” racist politics? No. On the contrary, Trump is a completely consistent collectivist. Not to put too fine a point on the matter, racism—or tribalism, if you will—is not a conservative ideology; it is collectivist ideology. It is the oldest, most powerful, and lethal collectivist ideology, because it is based on primeval animal instinct. By using xenophobic agitation to mobilize mob support for socialist policies, unlimited government, and strongman rule, Trump has embraced a political methodology clearly identified seven decades ago in “The Road to Serfdom.”

In short, Trump is a national socialist. To be sure, he is not a Nazi, but he has rallied the alt-right “white identarians”—another species of the same genus—to his banner. He also has close relationships with foreign national socialists, notably the Putin regime, which uses extreme nationalism to secure mob support for an unlimited government that serves the interests of those who control it, or those who can pay enough to influence it.

n the Putinite world, no laws effectively restrain the strong or protect the weak. The government is all-powerful, and its bias is available for rent. It’s not about whether your case is just or unjust; it’s about who you can buy. It’s not that the system is corrupt. Corruption is the system, and everyone knows it. Sound familiar?

In this context, Trump’s praise of Vladimir Putin and totalitarian ideologist Aleksandr Dugin, open expression of admiration for Putin, his hiring of Kremlin-allied advisors including Carter Page and Paul Manafort, and support for Moscow’s military moves globally, should come as no surprise.

Dugin’s endorsement of Trump is more significant than merely signaling the Kremlin’s appreciation of a useful idiot. Dugin is one of the principal philosophical theoreticians of the alt-right internationally, and his publications are regularly featured in such American identarian outlets as Radix.

While he greatly admires Nazism, Dugin’s “Fourth Political Theory” seeks to transcend traditional Nordic racism’s self-limited market appeal by proposing multi-centered tribal fascism as a counter to the “liberal” (i.e. Western) ideas of individualism, intrinsic rights, and universal human dignity. It is the raising of “blood and soil” over “all men are created equal, and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights;” of animal instinct over human reason; of the id over the superego; of greed and lust over justice and love. This is the metaphysics of National Socialism in general, and the alt-right in particular. It is also clearly recognizable as the metaphysics of Trump.

National Socialism is not conservatism. It is the most extreme form of socialism, and thus the very opposite of conservatism. Trump is not a conservative. He has been able to impersonate a conservative only because some conservatives have sacrificed their principles to go along with elements of his nativism. In doing so, they have invited the alt-right to take a leading role in what was once the Party of Lincoln. This needs to end.

 

[ninjahood]

Trump never ran as a conservative though...where ya been all election?

 

[RustyShackleford]

Your position on this is blatantly hypocritical

 

[RustyShackleford]

.

 

[Teknoman]

guess u missed da part that they still haven't cracked da code of ethics when driving, I.E. if a dog or baby is in da way who do u run over while also saving da driver.

Why are you even talking about extremes?

Growing up in NYC I have read about multiple instances of elevators malfunctioning and people dying. Guess what though, we still don't have elevator operators anymore.

 

[SC kid]

Trump interview on 60 minutes

 

[ninjahood]

Your position on this is blatantly hypocritical

and your position is intractably unable to see Trump's position on his issues.

 

[ninjahood]

guess u missed da part that they still haven't cracked da code of ethics when driving, I.E. if a dog or baby is in da way who do u run over while also saving da driver.

Why are you even talking about extremes?

Growing up in NYC I have read about multiple instances of elevators malfunctioning and people dying. Guess what though, we still don't have elevator operators anymore.

elevators dont have to worry about ethical choices.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Your position on this is blatantly hypocritical

and your position is intractably unable to see Trump's position on his issues.

Deflection

 

[ninjahood]

Your position on this is blatantly hypocritical

and your position is intractably unable to see Trump's position on his issues.

Deflection

ironic.

 

[gry60]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ts-immediately-when-mexico-wall-a7415116.html

“What we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, where a lot of these people, probably two million – it could be even three million – we are getting them out of the country or we are going to incarcerate,”

Sounds like someone I know...

 

[RustyShackleford]

Cars will be programmed to keep the driver's life first and foremost.

1) It makes sense. Why would I buy a car that doesn't put my self interest first?

2) They upside of self driving car is potentially less high speed accidents. Even as an economist, I hate talking about people lives like numbers on a page, but self driving cars have the potential to save many lives.

3) You're using extreme examples. Humans already run down animals to save themselves, and wrap themselves around trees because they overreact to a situation. Death by automobiles are an unfortunate reality we have to live with.

And to be honest, I am not excited about self driving cars robbing people's of jobs. But I do chuckle a little that a man that openly mocked people that would get their jobs replaced my machines, is now advocating for the government to intervene to save is if the times comes.

But what so I know, an Indian gentlemen will replace me in my field at any second, for half the pay.

I'm stepping up my curry game up so I can start my open Indian restaurant and clap back doe.

 

[T Lo Sweater]

He's just putting on for the camera. That's all

 

[deleted]

guess u missed da part that they still haven't cracked da code of ethics when driving, I.E. if a dog or baby is in da way who do u run over while also saving da driver.

Run over the baby

 

[MVP]

BREAKING: Trump, on pledge to appoint special prosecutor to investigate Clintons, says "I don't want to hurt them. They're good people"

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