***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[EddieDoyers]

I'm not a right winger. I believe in some liberal social stances. Fiscally, you guys don't have a clue how to make money without big government collecting almost 50% of hard earned coin

"Big government" collects at most 39.6% if you're at the top bracket for your personal income. And that top bracket is practically near half a million status a year. Not to only mention that your investment income is taxed at a lower rate if collected from long term. Also you can take many deductions if the business you own incurs lots of expenses that are listed in the tax code as deductible. If you're a small business owner, you can't complain much about the income tax rate as a good amount of money goes to your social security, Medicare, and the nation's defense spending. But other than that, your statement that the federal government is stealing your money isn't factual at all.

 

[EddieDoyers]

I could go on and on about tax issues, but there are so many loopholes in the tax code that you can avoid to pay that 39% tax rate on the majority of your income. Guys like Warren Buffet and other investors' never pay that much because most of income comes from long term stock selling and retaining dividends, which triggers the long term capital tax rate, which is at a way lower rate than the federal personal income rate.

 

[moe fab]

Besides, the true thieves are flyover states...spending mine n other Californians hard earned tax dollars

 

[EddieDoyers]

Also Bloomberg shows a pretty good picture of our current tax system

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...harts-show-what-americans-really-pay-in-taxes

 

[nephew]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-06-08/u-s-can-t-import-the-scandinavian-model

 

[EddieDoyers]

Besides, the true thieves are flyover states...spending mine n other Californians hard earned tax dollars

Well at the end of the day, if they don't want the safety net the next 4 years, so be it
They are keeping true to their word that they don't want any socialist policies

 

[EddieDoyers]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-06-08/u-s-can-t-import-the-scandinavian-model

Can't tell if you are just trying to troll us or trying to move the goal post?
Because no one on here is calling for a Scandinavian economy

 

[AZwildcats]

Another troll huh? 

 

[moe fab]

Per usual

Dreading what the new SoT is gonna implement, not to mention what will happen with whomever trump appoints as AG...**** already rough out here

 

[nephew]

I could care less about "trolling"

 

[nephew]

Just wanted to call out the bias... been so heavy on here lately

 

[deleted]

We can't always assume that someone is a troll just because they disagree or are ill informed

Most of these guys are sincere with what they believe

 

[AZwildcats]

We can't always assume that someone is a troll just because they disagree or are ill informed

Most of these guys are sincere with what they believe

He signed up exactly a month ago, this screen name was created for the sole express purpose of trolling

We have been down this road a million times on this site.

 

[deleted]

^You left the auto play on b

 

[shoefreakbaby]

I feel like I should have got over this by now, but Im still so nerved that the guy from apprentice is going to be pres. Like I cant.

And to make things worse I started watching the west wing and Im finding out what all this "chief of staff" stuff is.


I just want to hibernate until 2020.

 

[ninjahood]

I could go on and on about tax issues, but there are so many loopholes in the tax code that you can avoid to pay that 39% tax rate on the majority of your income. Guys like Warren Buffet and other investors' never pay that much because most of income comes from long term stock selling and retaining dividends, which triggers the long term capital tax rate, which is at a way lower rate than the federal personal income rate.

why should tax breaks be limited to folks with superpowered accountant savvy to navigate thru regulations? just lower it for everyone & eliminate most da deductions, and ignore da lobbied attempts at preserving carve outs.

simple b.

shouldn't take a guru to do your taxes.

matta fact.. Tax simplification already gonna happen come January.

 

[ninjahood]

Just wanted to call out the bias... been so heavy on here lately

good luck on that..my advice? go back to say a day before election night in this thread & read from there...

it'll give u a proper perspective on how off based certain folks claims were here.

 

[EddieDoyers]

I'm really surprised at all the negativity in this thread. I think most people here are so caught up with Social issues and progressive ideology that we are forgetting that we're 20 trillion in debt and interest rates are going up soon.

We need some people with actual fiscal knowledge rather then individuals that are obsessing over regulation. Like the great Dave Chapelle said, he deserves a chance to at least try. It's all ridicule in here with no foundation. Going back in this thread, everyone that is stuck on negativity bet against trump and was wrong.

i see u like poking at da libtard's hornet's nest...

anywho OPEC agreed to cut oil production, Trump couldn't of come at a better time...Shale production, federal lease drilling, Atlantic, Pacific, gulf, and artic drilling bout to pop off.

and them pipelines...psssh

corporate taxes lowered

Nancy Pelosi keeping her participation award to continue to drive Liberals dems off a cliff.

and its still extra salty in here 3 weeks later

Gas prices are going to rise as a result.

 

[ninjahood]

Gas prices are going to rise as a result.

umm..no

gas prices rise when there's a shortage on da market, not a glut of supply.

da only reason there's a glut now is because da Saudi's peeped da United States is a sleeping giant in shale oil production and tried to slit its throat in its sleep, problem is nearly everyone else in OPEC can't sustain prolonged price wars.

now that Trump in Office, we can't be bullied around anymore, soon as that Keystone XL get green lit, OPEC can continue to try to cut their load...they'll just risk losing marketshare to Canadian Oil sands and US shale

Murica'

 

[RustyShackleford]

Ninja is the biggest proponent of economic free riding I have ever seen

 

[nephew]

I just had the craziest breakup ever go down wtf. Wrong thread I know but I just wanted to vent

 

[ninjahood]

Ninja is the biggest proponent of economic free riding I have ever seen

Williamsburg hipsters would beg to differ.

 

[ninjahood]

TPP dead as a door nail too...

 

[RustyShackleford]

Ninja is the biggest proponent of economic free riding I have ever seen

Williamsburg hipsters would beg to differ.

Nope, you

 

[rexanglorum]

As I have said before, I do not use trigger warnings in my class. None of my colleagues use them either. I know that they are out there and they are primarily used to protect veterans and sexual assault survivors. If you think that triggering latent PTSD symptoms in rape victims and war heroes makes you some brave truth teller, I gotta say, you aren't a thoughtful conservative, you are an a-hole.


Conservatives are deeply insecure about the fact that most conservative ideas cannot survive long in the Darwinian Jungle of ideas that is Academia. If anything, we have a sort of affirmative action for bad conservative ideas. There is always a set aside for neo conservative or libertarian ideas in our lesson plans, in our grading policy in our general discourse and it is out of proportion to what would actually survive the peer review process. In other words, conservative ideas are given a sort of participation trophy in Academia because we privilege a diversity of ideas over simple merit.


The less educated conservatives fear that they are deeply ignorant of the subjects about which they speak. The more educated conservatives know how unproductive and toxic their ideas really are and they are tormented by their conscience.

So what are the educated, conservative elites to do? Well after sending junior off to an Ivy League School or a blue chip liberal arts college, the conservative elite will denigrate the university, its students, its professors and its mission in order to placate his own conscience and to lessen the shame among the poorly educated base.

It is actually an ingenious plan among conservative elites. You reduce funding for higher education and thus make it less and less available for your base. With college out of reach for more and more conservative voters, the sour grapes attacks on the university get more and more traction. With more and more voters thinking that the university is just a stinking pit full of perfidious Jewish professors, emasculated "social justice warriors," and a slew of "special snow flakes," the base is eager for even deeper cuts to higher education.

The genius of conservative cultural "populism" is that it makes many of the very people who it impoverishes and under educates proud of being impoverished and under educated.