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I’m a union leader in Indianapolis. I represent the Carrier workers whose jobs Donald Trump has pledged to save. And I’m tired of being lied to.

In February, corporate officials came to our plant and announced that they were closing the facility. They would move 1,300 jobs to a plant in Mexico. (Three hundred and fifty positions would remain in Indianapolis, mostly filled by research and development staff.)

Over the next several months, my team and I worked tirelessly to keep Carrier in our city. We came up with $23 million in savings, but the Carrier brass said that wasn’t enough. They could save $65 million by moving to Mexico. We couldn’t match that unless we were willing to cut wages to $5/hour and cut all benefits.

So we started to negotiate a severance package instead — one week of pay for every year of service, a $2,500 lump sum for every employee and free health care for six months.

Then, a couple of weeks ago, Trump got involved. He sat down with Carrier leaders. Afterward, he announced that 1,100 jobs would be saved. When I first heard the news, I was optimistic. But I began to get nervous when we couldn’t get any details on the deal. I urged caution, but our members got their hopes up. They thought their jobs had been saved.

When I met with Carrier officials last Thursday, I realized that that wouldn’t be the case. Though Trump said he’d saved 1,100 jobs, he hadn’t. Carrier told us that 550 people would get laid off.

Trump didn’t tell people that, though. When he spoke at our plant, he acted like no one was going to lose their job. People went crazy for him. They thought, because of Trump, I’m going to be able to provide for my family. 

All the while, I’m sitting there, thinking that’s not what the damn numbers say. Trump let people believe that they were going to have a livelihood in that facility. He let people breathe easy. When I told our members the next day, they were devastated.

Now our office is getting phone calls and emails from people who are mad that I called Trump on his dishonesty. One man left five messages (though when I called him back and told him who I was, he hung up the phone). Some people have suggested that Trump didn’t mean to lie, he just got the numbers wrong. But I know that’s not true. On the campaign trail, Trump made perfectly clear how excellent a negotiator he is. I have negotiated hundreds of contracts. I know that if I’m going to have a fighting chance, I better damn well know the numbers.

To be honest, the attention isn’t a big deal. I’ve been doing this job for 30 years. In that time, people have threatened to shoot me, to burn my house down. I’m not a macho man, but I’m just used to it.

What I can’t abide, however, is a president who misleads workers, who gives them false hope. We’re not asking for anything besides opportunity, for jobs that let people provide for their families. These plants are profitable, and the workers produced a good-quality product. Because of corporate greed, though, company leaders are racing to the bottom, to find places where they can pay the least. It’s a system that exploits everyone.
 
Though Trump said he’d saved 1,100 jobs, he hadn’t. Carrier told us that 550 people would get laid off.

Is this guy just salty cause his Union couldn't save the jobs? 50% is better than 0% even though US taxpayers will eventually foot the bill.

Gonna be a ton of these stories in 4 years especially in the Rust Belt states and I hope the 550 that got laid off goes the to the media and start crying about how Trump didn't save their jobs. :lol
 
Though Trump said he’d saved 1,100 jobs, he hadn’t. Carrier told us that 550 people would get laid off.

Is this guy just salty cause his Union couldn't save the jobs? 50% is better than 0% even though US taxpayers will eventually foot the bill.

Gonna be a ton of these stories in 4 years especially in the Rust Belt states and I hope the 550 that got laid off goes the to the media and start crying about how Trump didn't save their jobs. :lol
I don't think you understand why he's mad. When someone initially tells you that they were able to save the remaining jobs and then you find out that it was a lie and half were going to be laid off anyway...wouldn't you be pissed off no? Especially when you been begging since 2014 to get Pence to save all their jobs, but he didn't budge until recently for only a PR win.
And we are talking about a company that still makes a huge profit when they were still employing American workers.
This is truly greed.
 
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wonder how many of those laid off voted for Trump or Hillary.

edit: no one cares if trump is taking an L. what about those who lost their job because trump didn't negotiate a better deal?

I'm holding trump to a high standard because this was why we were supposed to put up with him, because he would save jobs and improve the economy. partial measures aren't good enough.
 
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wonder how many of those laid off voted for Trump or Hillary.

edit: no one cares if trump is taking an L. what about those who lost their job because trump didn't negotiate a better deal?

them carrier dudes were gone...

no one blames a firefighter for not being able to get everyone out da burning building, they commend him on saving da ones he did.
 
homie out here attacking US citizens via twitter :rollin

imagine is obama did this

“You better keep your eye on your kids, we’re coming for you, we know what car you drive, things like that,” he told MSNBC.

people are trash

Now our office is getting phone calls and emails from people who are mad that I called Trump on his dishonesty. One man left five messages (though when I called him back and told him who I was, he hung up the phone).

crine


aint a lot of them jobs going to mexico too? :rollin
 
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Though Trump said he’d saved 1,100 jobs, he hadn’t. Carrier told us that 550 people would get laid off.

Is this guy just salty cause his Union couldn't save the jobs? 50% is better than 0% even though US taxpayers will eventually foot the bill.

Gonna be a ton of these stories in 4 years especially in the Rust Belt states and I hope the 550 that got laid off goes the to the media and start crying about how Trump didn't save their jobs. :lol

From reading the article and others on the matter, that definitely doesn't seem like the case.

Seems like he was happy when he thought pulled off a deal to save the workers, but then he realized Trump was inflating the numbers for PR purposes, and he still had to deal with some of the people he represents losing their jobs.
 
better some then none at all.

Trump isnt taking a L on that Carrier deal.
No one is debating on whether Trump took the L or not on the deal, its obvious who lost. The crony capitalists during this whole deal won that's for sure.

The thing is that Trump attacked an elected leader of the Carrier workers and the whole steelworkers union just because Chuck criticized Trump's lie and most of the workers that thought that their jobs would be kept will instead be at the unemployment line.

A lot of blue collar workers and unionists are pissed now and rightfully so.

This was an empty political win, with job security for the rest of those workers being uncertain still since the company CEO admitted to use the investment money to make machines to replace more of them in the future.
 
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them carrier dudes were gone...

no one blames a firefighter for not being able to get everyone out da burning building, they commend him on saving da ones he did.

But do those firefighters lie about the actual number of people they saved from the burning building afterwards?
 
them carrier dudes were gone...

no one blames a firefighter for not being able to get everyone out da burning building, they commend him on saving da ones he did.

But do those firefighters lie about the actual number of people they saved from the burning building afterwards?

he didn't lie what he saved, all Trump said is he's gonna make sure carrier doesn't leave. and he's gonna save jobs.

im almost certain once da regulatory landscape becomes more business friendly they'll save more.
 
he didn't lie what he saved, all Trump said is he's gonna make sure carrier doesn't leave. and he's gonna save jobs.

im almost certain once da regulatory landscape becomes more business friendly they'll save more.
Then why is the union leader complaining that he lied about the numbers? "He didn't lie what he saved" huh?

The problem with what Trump did is that he LIED about how many jobs would be saved and they will probably be phased out by automation in the near future so it won't mean much espiciallywith Carrier getting that huge tax break come on man
 
them carrier dudes were gone...

no one blames a firefighter for not being able to get everyone out da burning building, they commend him on saving da ones he did.

But do those firefighters lie about the actual number of people they saved from the burning building afterwards?

he didn't lie what he saved, all Trump said is he's gonna make sure carrier doesn't leave. and he's gonna save jobs.

im almost certain once da regulatory landscape becomes more business friendly they'll save more.
He did lie on how many he saved :rollin
Let me ask you this ninja, if Trump was so proud of saving those Carrier jobs, why did he have to inflate the numbers? Why did he choose to deflect the blame on the leader of the union and the rest of union workers instead of chastising the CEO that he worked the deal with?
And in process of Trump trying to preserve his inflated political victory, Trump just pissed off millions of American workers overnight with his attacks. Sad!
 
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