Mr.Guy
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Abortion saved my life. I shot up the club in a chick that I didn't want to have my seed and she aborted it. Abortions are good in my eyes.
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I hope ahkis open the bodegas tomorrow tho I need that chopped cheese with bacon. Don't punish me b
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As an independent, what dog do you have in this fight?
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Well then what do you disagree with? Because that's pretty much where I agree with a late term abortion, doubt majority of women are waiting till they are 6 months pregnant and showing to decide they don't want the baby...
EddieDoyers
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Same. I just dislike the super religious freaks that try to make it the law of the masses to ban abortion. It's just going to cause some woman to do illegal abortions that are less safe.
EddieDoyers
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So you think a fetus should be given human rights? Just wondering.
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I'm a human being.
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The way you talk about women and da handouts
But I'll give you that, however I'm almost sure it's about liberal tears.
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Your stance on this issue is admirable but I wish you showed this compassion all the time.
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late term trimester fetuses that are perfectly healthy should be protected... having a policy where "it's not eligible for human rights until it comes out a birth canal" isn't reasonable enough for me.
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What are your thoughts on death with dignity?
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I used to be 100% anti-abortion / pro-life.
That was before I had sex. That was before I learned about human behavior. That was before I learned about biology and medicine and physiology. That was before I talked to real life pregnant women.
It is a very difficult discussion because it is such an emotional topic, even before we add on the politics and religion and human nature aspects. But let me try to explain a couple reasons why I'm pro-choice as clearly as I can.
First, I firmly believe that the government should not legislate based on how they wish humans would be or based on guilting people into "proper" behavior. It doesn't work. People are going to do what they're going to do, and that usually means people will have sex. We can't change that without drastic measures. However, in the same way that the government can make safety belts and airbags standard on cars, we can lower the barrier to birth control so that, when people do have sex, they don't make babies. This is easy to do. Make condoms available. Increase education through schools and through doctors. Remove the stigma. Done.
Second, we're just a clump of cells at the end of the day. No one likes to say it but it's true. Life isn't some mystical thing anymore. We know exactly how a sperm and an egg combine, how the cells divide, how organs form, how those organs functions, etc. This is hard to explain if you're ignorant on science, medicine, and biology, but that's just how it is. And anyone supporting some absolute measure of life quite simply does not understand life (I used to be that person).
Third, it's truly a medical decision for the reason that it's the woman's body and it's a huge change to the mother. Again, I don't know how to make the collection of guys here understand what pregnancy is like. And there is no way in hell most of you have any appreciation for the diversity of situations that would lead a mother to seek an abortion. I just can't explain it here in words.
Putting all that together, my feelings are that it is never a happy moment for the people involved. It is often the darkest moment in the lives of the parents. At the same time, it is a huge decision, and I fully advocate for the mother and her doctor to have a serious discussion and to come to an understanding of what each choice will entail.
More importantly, the role of the government here, in my opinion, is to make it so that birth control and education are more widely available and otherwise to take the politics out of the decision. Let the mother and the doctor deal with this incredible burden (and the father, the priest, etc. if the mother wants them involved).
I do see ninja's point though, that if it is a third trimester pregnancy and the health of the mother is not at risk and the fetus is healthy and the mother has known about the pregnancy for a while, I can see the argument being made that there could be a role for regulation of abortions in those situations. I don't know if that makes me a conservative or not.
That was before I had sex. That was before I learned about human behavior. That was before I learned about biology and medicine and physiology. That was before I talked to real life pregnant women.
It is a very difficult discussion because it is such an emotional topic, even before we add on the politics and religion and human nature aspects. But let me try to explain a couple reasons why I'm pro-choice as clearly as I can.
First, I firmly believe that the government should not legislate based on how they wish humans would be or based on guilting people into "proper" behavior. It doesn't work. People are going to do what they're going to do, and that usually means people will have sex. We can't change that without drastic measures. However, in the same way that the government can make safety belts and airbags standard on cars, we can lower the barrier to birth control so that, when people do have sex, they don't make babies. This is easy to do. Make condoms available. Increase education through schools and through doctors. Remove the stigma. Done.
Second, we're just a clump of cells at the end of the day. No one likes to say it but it's true. Life isn't some mystical thing anymore. We know exactly how a sperm and an egg combine, how the cells divide, how organs form, how those organs functions, etc. This is hard to explain if you're ignorant on science, medicine, and biology, but that's just how it is. And anyone supporting some absolute measure of life quite simply does not understand life (I used to be that person).
Third, it's truly a medical decision for the reason that it's the woman's body and it's a huge change to the mother. Again, I don't know how to make the collection of guys here understand what pregnancy is like. And there is no way in hell most of you have any appreciation for the diversity of situations that would lead a mother to seek an abortion. I just can't explain it here in words.
Putting all that together, my feelings are that it is never a happy moment for the people involved. It is often the darkest moment in the lives of the parents. At the same time, it is a huge decision, and I fully advocate for the mother and her doctor to have a serious discussion and to come to an understanding of what each choice will entail.
More importantly, the role of the government here, in my opinion, is to make it so that birth control and education are more widely available and otherwise to take the politics out of the decision. Let the mother and the doctor deal with this incredible burden (and the father, the priest, etc. if the mother wants them involved).
I do see ninja's point though, that if it is a third trimester pregnancy and the health of the mother is not at risk and the fetus is healthy and the mother has known about the pregnancy for a while, I can see the argument being made that there could be a role for regulation of abortions in those situations. I don't know if that makes me a conservative or not.
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everysingletime
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Why not just make contraceptives cheaper and more available? Less ppl will get pregnant in the first place... And less ppl will fight over abortion.
I agree with this unless it puts the mother at risk.
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Here we have a man that has never shown any sign he even wants kids or a family, so passionate on the topic of abortions....lmao he just wants to argue bro.
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EddieDoyers
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I can agree with that
I feel like the only woman that can abort in the late trimester is if the doctor says they have a serious health risk that they found....but even then I don't know if that will violate a woman's rights
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Partial-birth abortions are already illegal btw.
And late-term abortion is illegal in 43 of 50 states. And only 1.3% of abortions occur after the midpoint of the pregnancy.
And late-term abortion is illegal in 43 of 50 states. And only 1.3% of abortions occur after the midpoint of the pregnancy.
EddieDoyers
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Religious freaks would hate your proposition
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As ya all know I'm personally affected by the topic of abortions, my friends have had them and they are very careful about casually talking about them in front of me because they know how I will feel about a casual abortion to cover up being irresponsible, still I'm not gonna agree with the state calling the shots on how a woman or a couple handles theirs...because truth is that baby comes into the world and is abandoned or not loved, that's a lifetime of hurt....sk while I don't like it, it's very pretentious to control someone else's body.
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Exactly what I said earlier, so I don't know where ninja going off with this whole "late" abortions thing....most abortions are done pretty early on.
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negative, my cousin's wife works at a clinic in da South Bronx as a pharmacist and tells me da monstrosities...
I know smashed a broad who at da time told me she had 8 abortions...I told her she had a special place in hell reserved and she agreed and chuckled it off... smh lol
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Ninja is using a classic conservative tactic, using the marginal example to argue his case instead of the average.
If all conservatives wanted to do was have discussion about balancing the morality and neccesity of just late term abortions it would be one thing.
But that is not their end goal. They claim the moral high ground, make straw man arguments about liberal views, and when you mix that with other parts of their ideology (cutting social services and against sexual education) you have a recipe for a disaster.
This is why our public policy debates are so bad in America, because of this rhetorical slight of hand
If all conservatives wanted to do was have discussion about balancing the morality and neccesity of just late term abortions it would be one thing.
But that is not their end goal. They claim the moral high ground, make straw man arguments about liberal views, and when you mix that with other parts of their ideology (cutting social services and against sexual education) you have a recipe for a disaster.
This is why our public policy debates are so bad in America, because of this rhetorical slight of hand
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