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I'm annoyed by how these people continue to insult people's intelligence, but I get that their base welcomes this. Like anyone is going to hinge their political career on someone who's views they're unaware of, especially a known white supremacist.
 
Guess which one of these 2 groups Trump has attacked as "thugs" and a "national disgrace."

Option A:
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Option B:
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...43eefab5daf_story.html?utm_term=.c57a47c31eef
Trump calls Mueller lawyers ‘thugs’ and ‘a National Disgrace!’
President Trump on Monday referred to lawyers working for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III as “thugs” and accused them of trying to affect this year’s elections, further ramping up his rhetoric against prosecutors probing Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.


In morning tweets, Trump called Mueller “disgraced and discredited” and said his team of prosecutors is “a National Disgrace!”

The tweets were the latest in a spate of complaints in recent days from the president about a probe into whether his campaign coordinated with Russia during the 2016 election and whether Trump has sought to obstruct the investigation.

In Monday’s outburst, Trump continued to attack a New York Times report over the weekend that White House lawyer Donald McGahn had participated in at least three interviews with Mueller’s team that spanned 30 hours.

President Trump on Monday referred to lawyers working for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III as “thugs” and accused them of trying to affect this year’s elections, further ramping up his rhetoric against prosecutors probing Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

In morning tweets, Trump called Mueller “disgraced and discredited” and said his team of prosecutors is “a National Disgrace!”

The tweets were the latest in a spate of complaints in recent days from the president about a probe into whether his campaign coordinated with Russia during the 2016 election and whether Trump has sought to obstruct the investigation.

In Monday’s outburst, Trump continued to attack a New York Times report over the weekend that White House lawyer Donald McGahn had participated in at least three interviews with Mueller’s team that spanned 30 hours.

“Anybody needing that much time when they know there is no Russian Collusion is just someone looking for trouble,” Trump asserted.

McGahn has offered detailed accounts of “episodes at the heart of the inquiry” over whether Trump and his aides sought to obstruct justice, the Times reported. The paper said McGahn was motivated in part by fear that the president might set him up to be held responsible.

In his tweets, Trump said McGahn had cooperated with prosecutors with his approval “for purposes of transparency.”

Trump’s accusation that the probe could have an impact on the fall elections comes as his lawyers and Mueller’s team continue a lengthy back-and-forth over whether Trump will sit down for an interview with the special counsel’s team. The president’s legal team has sought to take certain topics, such as possible obstruction of justice, off the table.

Trump lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani recently told the Wall Street Journal that Trump would not sit for an interview after Sept. 1 because it might interfere with the midterm elections in November.

Trump also re-asserted in his Monday tweets that “there was no collusion” between his campaign and the Russians and said efforts to build a case of obstruction were the result of prosecutors being frustrated because they found no coordination.

“If you FIGHT BACK or say anything bad about the Rigged Witch Hunt, they scream Obstruction!” the president wrote.

In tweets over the weekend, Trump compared Mueller’s investigation to the tactics employed by the late senator Joseph McCarthy, who alleged that communist agents and Soviet spies had infiltrated the U.S. government, accusing some of treason without evidence.

Some of Trump’s critics have suggested the president, who last week stripped the security clearance of former CIA director John Brennan and has vowed to pursue similar actions against a list of other critics, is the one who is acting like McCarthy.
 
A Belarus escort now claims she has tapes of Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska discussing election interference. She claims she provided escort services to Deripaska and is currently on trial in Thailand (along with 7 other co-defendants) on charges of soliciting and conspiracy to solicit.
However she told an AP reporter that Deripaska promised her something in return for not making that evidence public. (see excerpt and article below)

Paul Manafort has worked with this same oligarch in the past. Back in 2006 Deripaska signed a $10m annual contract with Manafort for a US pro-Russian lobbying project. However Deripaska later filed a lawsuit in the Cayman Islands against Manafort in 2014, alleging Manafort 'disappeared' after Deripaska loaned millions of dollars.
Despite Manafort's claims in 2016 that the dispute had been resolved, Deripaska sued Manafort and Rick Gates in NY state court in January 2018.
Deripaska claimed he was defrauded of ~19 million dollars he had loaned to Manafort and Gates, which they were supposed to invest in a Ukrainian TV deal.

In 2016 Manafort had also emailed Konstantin Kilimnik to offer "private briefings" about the Trump campaign to Oleg Deripaska.
“If he needs private briefings, we can accommodate"- Manafort to Kilimnik on July 7 2016

Kilimnik was recently indicted by the special counsel on charges of conspiracy to obstruct justice. Manafort and Kilimnik allegedly sought to influence false testimony of witnesses related to Manafort's foreign lobbying indictment.



Excerpt:
Vashukevich told The Associated Press that she had turned over audio recordings to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, whose conversations about election interference she claimed to have taped.

She has said she provided “escort” services to Deripaska, who is close to Russian President Vladimir Putin and who has links to Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager now being tried in the United States on money laundering and other charges.

Speaking to an AP reporter in the courtroom in Pattaya, Vashukevich said she had promised Deripaska she would no longer speak on the matter, and that he had already promised her something in return for not making that evidence public.

“He promised me a little something already,” Vashukevich said. “If he do that then there will be no problem, but if he don’t ...” she said with a shrug and a smile.

She also shrugged and smiled when asked if she had kept her own copies of the information she recorded, which she said comprised “some audio, some video.”

Asked what the material showed, she said, “You’d have to ask Deripaska.”
https://apnews.com/78eef0ecec49412b...oligarch-now-has-tapes-on-Russia-interference
Escort says oligarch now has tapes on Russia interference
A model and escort from Belarus who caused a sensation by claiming to have information linking Russian interference to the election of President Donald Trump said Monday that she no longer has the evidence and will not talk about it.
Anastasia Vashukevich, who also uses the name Nastya Rybka, pleaded not guilty to charges of soliciting and conspiracy to solicit in a court appearance in the Thai resort city of Pattaya to prepare for her trial along with seven co-defendants. Lawyers will submit legal submissions at another hearing next week at which the court is expected to set a date for testimony to begin.
Vashukevich, Russian self-styled sex guru Alexander Kirillov and six other people were arrested at a sex training seminar in Pattaya in February and have been in custody ever since. All the defendants, who could face up to 10 years in prison if convicted, pleaded not guilty.
Vashukevich told The Associated Press that she had turned over audio recordings to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, whose conversations about election interference she claimed to have taped.

She has said she provided “escort” services to Deripaska, who is close to Russian President Vladimir Putin and who has links to Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager now being tried in the United States on money laundering and other charges.

Speaking to an AP reporter in the courtroom in Pattaya, Vashukevich said she had promised Deripaska she would no longer speak on the matter, and that he had already promised her something in return for not making that evidence public.

“He promised me a little something already,” Vashukevich said. “If he do that then there will be no problem, but if he don’t ...” she said with a shrug and a smile.

She also shrugged and smiled when asked if she had kept her own copies of the information she recorded, which she said comprised “some audio, some video.”

Asked what the material showed, she said, “You’d have to ask Deripaska.”

Vashukevich created world headlines when she was first detained because she claimed to have audio recordings of Deripaska that provided evidence of Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election.

She appealed to America for help and for asylum, through a letter to the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok, but provided no proof of her claims. At a hearing in April, she seemed to switch allegiances, making a public apology to Deripaska and saying it was the Americans, not the Russians, who were persecuting her.

A judge at the Pattaya Provincial Court declared Monday that if the seminar included people having sexual intercourse or arranged for people to have sex, it would be considered illegal by Thai law even if there was mutual consent.

Pattaya is internationally notorious as a destination for sex tourists.

Kirillov, who led the seminar in a meeting room at a Pattaya hotel, told the judge that the seminar taught the art of seduction and did not include sex or make any arrangements for sexual partners.

He said the course taught its students “how to impress girls” and “how to get girls’ numbers,” and did not involve sexual arrangements.

“We are not sure about Thai law, but in Russia this is not a criminal case,” he told the judge.

The prosecutor showed the defendants a photo that he said showed some of the students having sex as part of the course.

Kirillov’s response was that the photos were “private” and taken after the seminar, when a group of students went to a bar in Pattaya to put their lessons to the test.
 
A Belarus escort now claims she has tapes of Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska discussing election interference. She claims she provided escort services to Deripaska and is currently on trial in Thailand (along with 7 other co-defendants) on charges of soliciting and conspiracy to solicit.
However she told an AP reporter that Deripaska promised her something in return for not making that evidence public. (see excerpt and article below)

Paul Manafort has worked with this same oligarch in the past. Back in 2006 Deripaska signed a $10m annual contract with Manafort for a US pro-Russian lobbying project. However Deripaska later filed a lawsuit in the Cayman Islands against Manafort in 2014, alleging Manafort 'disappeared' after Deripaska loaned millions of dollars.
Despite Manafort's claims in 2016 that the dispute had been resolved, Deripaska sued Manafort and Rick Gates in NY state court in January 2018.
Deripaska claimed he was defrauded of ~19 million dollars he had loaned to Manafort and Gates, which they were supposed to invest in a Ukrainian TV deal.

In 2016 Manafort had also emailed Konstantin Kilimnik to offer "private briefings" about the Trump campaign to Oleg Deripaska.
“If he needs private briefings, we can accommodate"- Manafort to Kilimnik on July 7 2016

Kilimnik was recently indicted by the special counsel on charges of conspiracy to obstruct justice. Manafort and Kilimnik allegedly sought to influence false testimony of witnesses related to Manafort's foreign lobbying indictment.



Excerpt:
Vashukevich told The Associated Press that she had turned over audio recordings to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, whose conversations about election interference she claimed to have taped.

She has said she provided “escort” services to Deripaska, who is close to Russian President Vladimir Putin and who has links to Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager now being tried in the United States on money laundering and other charges.

Speaking to an AP reporter in the courtroom in Pattaya, Vashukevich said she had promised Deripaska she would no longer speak on the matter, and that he had already promised her something in return for not making that evidence public.

“He promised me a little something already,” Vashukevich said. “If he do that then there will be no problem, but if he don’t ...” she said with a shrug and a smile.

She also shrugged and smiled when asked if she had kept her own copies of the information she recorded, which she said comprised “some audio, some video.”

Asked what the material showed, she said, “You’d have to ask Deripaska.”
https://apnews.com/78eef0ecec49412b...oligarch-now-has-tapes-on-Russia-interference
Escort says oligarch now has tapes on Russia interference
A model and escort from Belarus who caused a sensation by claiming to have information linking Russian interference to the election of President Donald Trump said Monday that she no longer has the evidence and will not talk about it.
Anastasia Vashukevich, who also uses the name Nastya Rybka, pleaded not guilty to charges of soliciting and conspiracy to solicit in a court appearance in the Thai resort city of Pattaya to prepare for her trial along with seven co-defendants. Lawyers will submit legal submissions at another hearing next week at which the court is expected to set a date for testimony to begin.
Vashukevich, Russian self-styled sex guru Alexander Kirillov and six other people were arrested at a sex training seminar in Pattaya in February and have been in custody ever since. All the defendants, who could face up to 10 years in prison if convicted, pleaded not guilty.

This is absurd lol.
 
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