***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[dwalk31]

Yeah Trump is the president, this guy is just some poster on here.

That’s the difference.

Do you feel that person who posted here is, as a result of that post, disqualified to ever become president?

 

[cedric ceballos]

Yikes, omg, and wow at the comments on the Fox News post about McCain ending the cancer treatment.

 

[gry60]

The best take that I've read about McCain was a Rolling Stone piece from 2008.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/john-mccain-make-believe-maverick-202004/

We have now watched McCain run twice for president. The first time he positioned himself as a principled centrist and decried the politics of Karl Rove and the influence of the religious right, imploring voters to judge candidates “by the example we set, by the way we conduct our campaigns, by the way we personally practice politics.” After he lost in 2000, he jagged hard to the left — breaking with the president over taxes, drilling, judicial appointments, even flirting with joining the Democratic Party.

In his current campaign, however, McCain has become the kind of politician he ran against in 2000. He has embraced those he once denounced as “agents of intolerance,” promised more drilling and deeper tax cuts, even compromised his vaunted opposition to torture. Intent on winning the presidency at all costs, he has reassembled the very team that so viciously smeared him and his family eight years ago, selecting as his running mate a born-again moose hunter whose only qualification for office is her ability to electrify Rove’s base. And he has engaged in a “practice of politics” so deceptive that even Rove himself has denounced it, saying that the outright lies in McCain’s campaign ads go “too far” and fail the “truth test.”

Indeed, many leading Republicans who once admired McCain see his recent contortions to appease the GOP base as the undoing of a maverick. “John McCain’s ambition overrode his basic character,” says Rita Hauser, who served on the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board from 2001 to 2004. But the truth of the matter is that ambition is John McCain’s basic character. Seen in the sweep of his seven-decade personal history, his pandering to the right is consistent with the only constant in his life: doing what’s best for himself. To put the matter squarely: John McCain is his own special interest.

“John has made a pact with the devil,” says Lincoln Chafee, the former GOP senator, who has been appalled at his one-time colleague’s readiness to sacrifice principle for power. Chafee and McCain were the only Republicans to vote against the Bush tax cuts. They locked arms in opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. And they worked together in the “Gang of 14,” which blocked some of Bush’s worst judges from the federal bench.

“On all three — sadly, sadly, sadly — McCain has flip-flopped,” Chafee says. And forget all the “Country First” sloganeering, he adds. “McCain is putting himself first. He’s putting himself first in blinking neon lights.”

Last sentence exemplifies how McCain perfectly fits in the current version of the GOP.

 

[nomnom]

 

[wavycrocket]

The only modern politican that has benefited from more right wing revisionist history than McCain, is Reagan.

Hearing Joe Scarborough slurp him up and anglicize him the other day mad my stomach turn .

 

[mister friendly]

Do you feel that person who posted here is, as a result of that post, disqualified to ever become president?

Lol

Man quit the BS

Why do conservatives always love to BS, distract and be intellectually dishonest?

That poster is highly unlikely to run for President.

Trump currently is the POTUS.

That’s the difference.

You posted that to distract from Trump’s behavior.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Let us remember that John McCain voted against MLK day.

 

[nomnom]

Dont forget

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/mccain.king/

 

[dwalk31]

Lol

Man quit the BS

Why do conservatives always love to BS, distract and be intellectually dishonest?

That poster is highly unlikely to run for President.

Trump currently is the POTUS.

That’s the difference.

You posted that to distract from Trump’s behavior.

 

[aepps20]

Let us remember that John McCain voted against MLK day.

He did but let us also remember that his close friend Lindsay is probably a Clemson fan and John by default is one as well so he supported Dabo Luther King when it mattered.

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[Nike Jordan]

He did but let us also remember that his close friend Lindsay is probably a Clemson fan and John by default is one as well so he supported Dabo Luther King when it mattered.

Graham Crackers attended the University of South Carolina.

 

[aepps20]

Graham Crackers attended the University of South Carolina.

This is true but Grahams probably has ACC pride when Clemson played Bama even though his alma mater is in the SEC. Graham loves America's most preeminent civil rights leader Dabo Luther King. Be best and bring your own Guts.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Yeah stuff like this is think is too much

I am not wishing cancer or bad health on dude, but I refuse for his legacy of buffoonery to be whitewashed

And of course, this will be D.Walk an excuse to get on his high horse.

 

[Belgium]

Honestly, your position is why it is likely difficult for many conservatives to engage in fruitful discussions about key issues. Of course voter suppression exists and it is absolutely disgusting when there is a discriminatory intent behind closing polling stations. I would think most people, on both sides of the aisle, agree on that point.

Every ID law, however, is not de facto intentional discrimination. These discussions are important. And willingness to engage is a good first step.

It is not a "position" that an overwhelming majority of regular posters in this thread over the past ~2 years who happen to identify as conservative have categorically denied the existence and possibility of voter suppression, including selectively closing polling stations, DMVs, ... with discriminatory intent.

There were many such discussions about various forms of voter suppression, not just some applications of voter ID laws.
In fact I specifically noted "certain kinds of voter ID practices" in my post, which you appear to disregard in your last sentence. Parts of North Carolina's voter ID law were struck down for example in a court ruling that argued certain parts of the law "targeted African-Americans with almost surgical precision" with discriminatory intent.

I would also hope that most people on both sides can agree that voter suppression exists and believe that many do in fact agree on that. However when it comes to this thread that was not the case.


They did in fact argue unequivocally against the existence of voter suppression, some even going further on other topics and arguing that 'systemic racism' is a complete and total fabrication.

Even when it was explained to them that systemic racism encompasses many different aspects. For example people of color and specifically African-Americans face statistical disadvantages in the housing and job market, receive significantly longer sentences on average than whites convicted of similar crimes, face a disadvantage on loan applications, police treatment, ...
In NYC for example, black and latino individuals accounted for ~80-85% or so of stop and frisk searches year after year whereas whites only averaged about 10% of stops.
That continued for a number of years despite the NYPD's own records showing whites carried both weapons and contraband at higher rates.

Most of those same individuals, including an NYC resident, in fact supported NYC’s implementation of stop and frisk despite it being ruled unconstitutional in NYC. That same NYC resident also advocated for nationwide stop and frisk.

Yet still they categorically described any suggestion of systemic racism as a leftist fable.
A number of those individuals also argued that ‘white privilege’ had no merit whatsoever and was just another leftist fable.


As I said there are some exceptions such as yourself. Rico x Hood's views were a lot more nuanced than others' categorical denials. I'm not aware of Inthehallway's views on the matter.


As I mentioned, I don’t think anyone was surprised when aside from a few exceptions those individuals were later banned for overtly racist remarks ranging all the way up to nazi apologism in CL-1B’s case.
In fact one of them (Blco2) even made an alt to come back with the same shtick and was perm banned once again.

I have repeatedly advocated for more conservative posters. I don’t take any inherrent issue with conservatism or conservatives and will gladly discuss with anyone, whether I like them or not.
However this thread has for the most part attracted some of the bad apples in a large percentage of cases. With some exceptions of course. This is evidenced by the sheer number and percentage of bans for overtly racist remarks.

There would be a lot more conservative regulars if those individuals simply refrained from making the kind of overtly racist transgressions that got them perm banned from NT.

In all honesty does it really seem far fetched to you that a group of individuals who have since been banned for racism argued that voter suppression is non-existant amongst other things?

 

[Nike Jordan]

Be best and bring your own Guts.

 

[elpablo21]

 

[aepps20]

REAL MERICAN GUTS. DO, DO, DO, DO U HAVE IT UH, DO DO, DO DO U HAVE IT GUTS

 

[dacomeup]

Honestly, your position is why it is likely difficult for many conservatives to engage in fruitful discussions about key issues. Of course voter suppression exists and it is absolutely disgusting when there is a discriminatory intent behind closing polling stations. I would think most people, on both sides of the aisle, agree on that point.

Every ID law, however, is not de facto intentional discrimination. These discussions are important. And willingness to engage is a good first step.

What have Voter ID laws in this country historically been used for? Who have they been used against? Why do you continually play stupid about this, as a supposed black man from the south?

 

[AEA18]

REAL MERICAN GUTS. DO, DO, DO, DO U HAVE IT UH, DO DO, DO DO U HAVE IT GUTS

Global Guts was just liberal propaganda. Trying to infect the minds of the children.

Only real Americans can climb the Aggro Crag

 

[IATT]

 

[elpablo21]

 

[kdawg]

Remind me how much voter fraud was found after the last election?

Somewhere around 0.0025?

And how many (black) people were prevented from voting by arbitrary rules and schemes to make it difficult?

Yeah, I thought so.

 

[Mark Antony]

Yeah Trump is the president, this guy is just some poster on here.

That’s the difference.

Amazing I see this has to be explained repeatedly , are dudes really that dense? Glad I got them on ignore.

 

[RustyShackleford]

These current voter ID laws were mainly allowed to go forward because the Supreme Court weaken the Voting Rights Act

You know, the same Voting Rights Act that the Civil Rights movement fought for, that activitist died for, and racist fought against

Yes, that same law is what keep the GOP in check before. But now it is weakend, and new voter suppression laws passed, we are suppose to beleve they are not intended to be discriminatory.

Many conservatives that not matter the intent, the results are discriminatory, and the reasoning for the laws are filmsy and the GOP should stop it, at this point it is a racist act to continue.

Yet other wanna play the game that if liberals don't entertain the right's deflections on the issue that's the real issue.

What ********.