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The government is white supremacy.
White supremacists use the government as a tool/weapon against minority groups

It can also go the other way. Activist have used to the government to strike against white supremacists.

Beleiving that the government is there only to serve the needs and desires of the white, affluent, bigoted is exactly what white supremacists want minorities to believe. When minorities don't engage with the political system, it allows people that want to advance the system of white Supremacy a chance monopolize the one force they know that could really **** their **** up.
 
White supremacists use the government as a tool/weapon against minority groups

It can also go the other way. Activist have used to the government to strike against white supremacists.

Beleiving that the government is there only to serve the needs and desires of the white, affluent, bigoted is exactly what white supremacists want minorities to believe. When minorities don't engage with the political system, it allows people that want to advance the system of white Supremacy a chance monopolize the one force they know that could really **** their **** up.

We talking about the American government right?

Ok.
 


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The Trump adminstration is what you will find in shady local muncipality or a third world country with weak independent political insitutions. They look so sloppy because they don't think they will ever be caught.

Been saying this for 2 years. The level of sloppiness is the same, but the resilience of American institutions is much higher than what you'd find in a despotic nation. Otherwise, we wouldn't be holding elections at all at this point in time.
 
The Dig podcast has had some good guests lately. Too bad most of their events are thrown in hipster gentrified areas of BK
 
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...ter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true
Trump Meets QAnon Kook Who Believes Democrats Run Pedophile Cult
Lionel Lebron said he got a personal invite to the White House — and took advantage to post photos and Q clues on social media.
President Donald Trump posed for Oval Office photos on Thursday with one of the leading promoters of the QAnon conspiracy theory, which claims that top Democrats are part of a global pedophile cult.

YouTube conspiracy theorist Lionel Lebron was in the White House for an event on Thursday, according to a video Lebron posted online. During the visit, Lebron and his wife posed for a smiling picture with Trump in the Oval Office.

Lebron is one of the internet’s leading promoters of QAnon, the pro-Trump conspiracy theory based on a series of anonymous clues posted to internet forums. QAnon believers have interpreted the clues, which they claim without evidence are coming from a highly placed source in the Trump administration, to mean that Trump and the military are engaged in a high-stakes shadow war against a globalist pedophile cult. The conspiracy theory has caught on with Trump supporters, who have held up QAnon-related signs and wear QAnon shirts to the president’s rallies.
Lebron claimed to have received a “special guided tour of the White House” before posing for pictures with Trump. In a video posted Friday, Lebron said he didn’t use the brief encounter with the president to ask Trump about QAnon or its slogan, “Where we go one, we go all.”

“I think we all know he knows about it,” Lebron said in the video, sipping from a coffee mug he claimed to have received as a gift at the White House.

Lebron and the White House didn’t respond to requests for comment.

QAnon, tweeting a picture of himself in the White House with QAnon-related hashtags. His visit to the White House comes as other prominent Trump supporters in the media try to push back on QAnon’s spread, claiming it makes Trump voters look ridiculous.
 
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...ter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true
Trump Meets QAnon Kook Who Believes Democrats Run Pedophile Cult
Lionel Lebron said he got a personal invite to the White House — and took advantage to post photos and Q clues on social media.
President Donald Trump posed for Oval Office photos on Thursday with one of the leading promoters of the QAnon conspiracy theory, which claims that top Democrats are part of a global pedophile cult.

YouTube conspiracy theorist Lionel Lebron was in the White House for an event on Thursday, according to a video Lebron posted online. During the visit, Lebron and his wife posed for a smiling picture with Trump in the Oval Office.

Lebron is one of the internet’s leading promoters of QAnon, the pro-Trump conspiracy theory based on a series of anonymous clues posted to internet forums. QAnon believers have interpreted the clues, which they claim without evidence are coming from a highly placed source in the Trump administration, to mean that Trump and the military are engaged in a high-stakes shadow war against a globalist pedophile cult. The conspiracy theory has caught on with Trump supporters, who have held up QAnon-related signs and wear QAnon shirts to the president’s rallies.



I can support this Lebbywinks or Lebae.
 
I don't know that much about his views but I had some respect for McCain when he took his L to Obama like a man.




I don't know. Game time decision.
He didn't take his "L" like a man. When Obeezy was in office he acted like a lame. For the next two years he appeal to racist Tea Partiers making it seem like things would be much better for them if he had won. He put a white nationalist sheriff in one of his campaign ads for Senator And was running around the country lying about Obama trying to give folk healthcare.

And he has always made appeals to racist. Like I mentioned before, he voted against making MLK Day a holiday.

Regarding voting, Ben Jealous is running for Governor and he is running on a platform of ending mass incarceration in the state, getting everyone affordable health insurance, and good schools. He is a brother dedicated to justice.

Everything you came to hate about politicans, he represents the opposite. So I would hope you show up for the dude. If we can fill our local, state and federal governments with people like Ben Jealous, then you will see major policy blows to the system of white Supremacy

Now he won't be some savior by himself, but putting him in office is a step in the right direction.
 
He ain't Black.

Just because he can name a popular hairstyle for Black men doesn't mean he's is one.

He could have google'd it or lurked the Black guy haircuts thread here on NT to learn that information.
It's not that far fetched really when you look at Ninjahood.
 
The system of government itself is not inherently an instrument of white supremacy. Historically when you look at who has controlled the system then it appears that way.
But it doesn't have to remain that way. If we want to change how the government is used then we must first gain control of the government through the means provided to us.
Voting and running for office. The day they gave that to us, they ****** up. Through time and tenacity we may one day be running thangs. Word to my ***** Creamed Corn.
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I'm sure the head of Blackwater has good intentions in dialing up his push for this plan.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/milita...y-back-erik-prince-plan-privatize-war-n901401
Officials worry Trump may back Erik Prince plan to privatize war in Afghanistan
"I know he's frustrated," Blackwater founder Prince said of the president. "He gave the Pentagon what they wanted. And they haven't delivered."

President Donald Trump is increasingly venting frustration to his national security team about the U.S. strategy in Afghanistan and showing renewed interest in a proposal by Blackwater founder Erik Prince to privatize the war, current and former senior administration officials said.

Prince's idea, which first surfaced last year during the president's Afghanistan strategy review, envisions replacing troops with private military contractors who would work for a special U.S. envoy for the war who would report directly to the president.

It has raised ethical and security concerns among senior military officials, key lawmakers and members of Trump's national security team. A year after Trump's strategy announcement, his advisers are worried his impatience with the Afghanistan conflict will cause him to seriously consider proposals like Prince's or abruptly order a complete U.S. withdrawal, officials said.
In an interview with NBC News, Prince said he believes Trump advisers who oppose his plan are painting "as rosy a picture as they can" of the situation on the ground, including that "peace is around the corner" with recent U.S. efforts for peace talks with the Taliban. He said he believes Trump's advisers "over-emphasize the fluff and flare of these so-called peace talks."

Prince, a staunch Trump supporter whose sister is Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, argues that after 17 years of war in Afghanistan, it's time for the U.S. to try something new.

"I know he's frustrated," Prince said of the president. "He gave the Pentagon what they wanted. ...And they haven't delivered."


Prince said he hasn't spoken directly to Trump about the plan, but told NBC News he plans to launch an aggressive media "air campaign" in coming days to try to get the president to embrace it.

His effort coincides with Tuesday's one-year anniversary of Trump announcing a strategy that increased the U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan. Trump approved the Pentagon recommendations reluctantly.

"The strategy as announced a year ago was essentially just a dressed-up version of the status quo," said Jarrett Blanc, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace who served as a special representative on Afghanistan and Pakistan at the State Department during the Obama administration.

A spokesperson for the National Security Council said Trump is committed to the current strategy he signed off on after months of deliberations.

"No such proposal from Erik Prince is under consideration," the spokesperson said. "The president, like most Americans, would like to see more progress in Afghanistan. However, he also recognizes that withdrawing precipitously from Afghanistan would lead to the re-emergence of terrorist safe havens, putting American national security and lives in danger."


In recent briefings with Trump, the president's advisers have emphasized the possibility of a political resolution with the Taliban and downplay the lack of military advances, officials said.

"The president hears about Afghan military and political progress and the possibility of reconciliation during his briefings, but he rarely gets the full picture of security on the ground," said one senior U.S. official who has seen the briefing materials.

The NSC spokesperson said, however, that the president is briefed regularly on Afghanistan, and "his briefs are comprehensive, covering both positive improvements and problematic actions."

A defense official said the current U.S. strategy in Afghanistan might not show significant results until at least next summer, complicating efforts to convince the president to stick with it.


"The current effort will show results, but it could be another year or more before the new advising mission makes a real, widespread difference on the ground," the official said.

Trump's renewed interest in privatization was stoked by a recent video shot by Prince, according to a senior administration official, in which Prince argues that deploying private contractors instead of U.S. troops, and using limited government resources, would save the U.S. money.

The White House currently has no plans for a comprehensive Afghanistan policy review, officials said. While one could take place after a new U.S. military commander of the war takes over in coming weeks, some officials said the president's team has been reluctant to conduct one now out of concern about what the president will decide.

Prince said he hopes to speak in coming days with some officials on the National Security Council about his proposal. He said that while last year he discussed it with Defense Secretary James Mattis and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo when Pompeo was CIA director, he has not spoken to John Bolton, who become Trump's third national security adviser in April.

The defense official said Prince's idea hasn't made its way to the Pentagon for official consideration yet, but it could quickly become a real option if Trump pushes for it.


Mattis and Pompeo both oppose Prince's plan, officials said. A senior State Department official said there's "not a chance" it will be adopted.

Asked for Bolton's view of Prince's idea, the NSC spokesperson declined to comment.

In an interview with NBC’s Andrea Mitchell Friday on MSNBC, Prince said his plan was not privatization, “not a private army. It is a very clear delineation of who’s in charge, okay? The Afghan government working for a U.S. government official, funded by the United States at a fraction of a fraction of the cost of what we’re spending now.” Prince said his plan would save the U.S. more than $50 billion.

“The president was right to campaign against endless wars,” said Prince. “If we leave decisions on war solely to the Pentagon, we will be at war forever.”

'I LIKE FOLLOWING MY INSTINCTS'
The security situation in Afghanistan has worsened in the year since Trump signed off on the current strategy, and there are increased concerns about government stability and corruption in Kabul. The Taliban continues to make gains, while the U.S. has renewed efforts for peace talks with the militant group.


As NBC News reported in August 2017, before approving the plan the president complained to his advisers that the U.S. was losing the warand suggested firing Gen. John Nicholson, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan.

When Trump announced the current strategy, he noted that his "original instinct was to pull out, and historically I like following my instincts." But he said he'd decided to listen to his advisers to pursue an "honorable and enduring outcome" to the war. The U.S. currently has about 15,000 troops in Afghanistan.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Wednesday that the president is "committed to finding a political solution to end the conflict in Afghanistan."

"As always, we're going to continue to review and look at the best ways to move forward," Sanders said.


Lately Trump has pressed his advisers about Afghanistan progress on a weekly basis in Cabinet meetings and national security briefings, officials said. As he's grown frustrated, Trump has leaned on Pompeo, the member of his national security team who is closest to him. Pompeo traveled to Afghanistan last month for a trip the administration said was designed to advance the current U.S. strategy.

Prince was not an official adviser to the Trump campaign but donated $250,000 to pro-Trump causes during the campaign and met with members of Trump's national security team during the transition. The Washington Post reported that special counsel Robert Mueller is looking into whether Prince tried to establish a backchannel between Russia and the Trump administration during a meeting with a Putin associate in the Seychelles in 2017.

In his interview with Mitchell, Prince denied his meeting with the Russian was about a backchannel. “It was an incidental meeting and I had no follow up with him since then.”

When Prince's plan had Trump's attention in 2017, it had the backing of his former strategist Steve Bannon and the president's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner.


The plan appealed to Trump because of the promise that it would be less expensive and put fewer American troops at risk than the current U.S. strategy.

It calls for private contractors and aircraft to aid Afghan forces, with some help from the CIA and the Pentagon's special operations forces — all of whom would be overseen by a U.S. government envoy for Afghanistan policy who reports directly to the president and is given the authority to coordinate with the Afghan government.

Prince believes Trump's frustration now could provide a path for the privatization idea. Trump also has shown more of a willingness follow his instincts on foreign policy since reshuffling his national security team earlier this year to replace former National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster and former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson — both of whom opposed Prince's plan.

A former senior administration official said while the U.S. has relied on foreign governments to help pay for military conflicts, it would be new to ask those countries to pay private security companies directly.


Prince's close ties to the United Arab Emirates, as well as the record of Blackwater, most notably in Iraq, would likely raise strong objections among administration officials and members of Congress. In 2007, Blackwater security contractors escorting a U.S. embassy convoy killed 17 civilians in Baghdad's Nisour Square. One employee was convicted of first-degree murder and three were convicted of manslaughter, but their verdicts were overturned in 2017.

The use of private security contractors in U.S. military conflicts has been controversial, including in Afghanistan. Former Afghan President Hamid Karzai curtailed the use of security contractors, a policy the current government would have to undo for a plan like the one proposed by Prince to be implemented.

"It's a ridiculous idea. It would only make things worse, prolong the war, and cause more deaths," the former senior administration official said.

Brian Katulis, a senior fellow at the left-leaning Center for American Progress, said privatization would make it harder for Congress and others to know what precisely is happening in the war.


"It makes an already murky position murkier," Katulis said. "The cost savings is not worth the potential damage to oversight of U.S. national security."
 
Donald Trump Told 'The Countdown to Impeachment Has Already Started'
US President Publicly Addresses Prospect of Removal From Office for First Time
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-daniels-congress-midterms-2018-a8505751.html

Donald Trump has been warned the “countdown” to impeachment is underway, after his former lawyer implicated the president in crimes committed during the 2016 election.

On Thursday, Mr Trump publicly addressed the prospect of impeachment for the first time, claiming the market would “crash”if his presidency was threatened.

“I don't know how you can impeach somebody who has done a great job,” Mr Trump told Fox News. “I will tell you what, if I ever got impeached, I think the market would crash. I think everybody would be very poor because, without this thinking, you would see – you would see numbers that you wouldn't believe, in reverse.”


Mr Trump’s comments came after Michael Cohen, his long-time legal “fixer”, pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges, including two counts of campaign finance violations, which he said he committed at the direction of the president.

Cohen admitted paying hush money to adult film actress Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal, both alleged to have had extramarital affairs with Mr Trump.

Tom Cole, a Republican member of the House of Representatives, warned it was "too soon" to begin impeachment proceedings, but said: "If something comes out that is clear and convincing and impeachable, I think members will act."

Al Green, a Democratic congressman who has previously filed articles of impeachment against Mr Trump, suggested he may do so again following Cohen’s guilty plea.

"I think the president has to realise that the countdown to impeachment has already started,” he said. "He, at some point, will have to choose if he will face impeachment or if he will resign. It will be his choice. The congress will have no choice but to act.”

Rudy Giuliani: The American people 'would revolt' if Trump was impeached
"At some point, we have to act."

Most Democrats, however, are keeping quiet about the prospect of removing Mr Trump from office, amid fears pushing the issue will fire up the Republican base ahead of the midterm elections in November.

“I don't think that we should be talking about impeachment,” Democratic senator Tammy Duckworth said.

Trump's presidency: US media reacts to Manafort and Cohen convictions

Nancy Pelosi, the house Democratic leader, has consistently urged her party not to push the issue, and instead work to uphold special counsel Robert Mueller’s ability to investigate potential crimes committed by the Trump campaign.

“The special counsel’s team and the prosecutors in New York are conducting thorough and professional investigations, and they must be allowed to continue free from interference,” Ms Pelosi told fellow Democrats on Wednesday. “As November rapidly approaches, we must also stay focused on delivering our strong economic message to hard-working families across America.”

Trump allies, however, have been discussing impeachment – raising the prospect in an attempt to convince Republican voters to turn out in November.


Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor hired by Mr Trump last month to join his legal team, warned there would be a “revolt” in the US if the president was impeached.

"You could only impeach [Trump] for political reasons and the American people would revolt against that," he said.

"The idea of an impeachment is frankly a sad attempt by Democrats, it’s the only message they seem to have going into the midterms,” Sarah Sanders, the White House press secretary, told reporters. “It is another great reminder why Americans should support other like-minded candidates like the president.”

Former chief strategist for Mr Trump, Steve Bannon, told Bloomberg: "November is a referendum on impeachment – an up or down vote. Every Trump supporter needs to get with the programme."
 
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