***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[dwalk31]

So you come to try and poke fun at the echo chamber, but when someone asks you a legitimate question...you decline?

The hell is the point?

There was nothing legitimate about that question

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Last two sentences.

 

[rillo561]

The classic, "I don't know, I'm just asking questions"

 

[ksteezy]

The inability to focus on one issue in this thread is pervasive

This is the reason that makes you a troll, your selectiveness, YOU brought up a policy that majority of countries follow to benefit your argument, when that same logic is used to combat your point, you deflect....just stop with your rhetoric bro, it’s toxic.

 

[getback]

I stated a fact. The vast majority of countries do not allow birthright citizenship.

Do you know why? (hope that's not to too broad)

 

[aepps20]

The birthright citizenship discussion is interesting from a legal perspective

Is the discussion about Roy Moore interesting from a legal perspective?

 

[getback]

"It's hard to have this discussion with peasants who don't have a law degree."

Yikes.

 

[elpablo21]

Whole thread reads like an onion article

 

[boris]

Last two sentences.

This is what I think of every time he posts.

 

[rillo561]

"It's hard to have this discussion with peasants who don't have a law degree."

Yikes.

SMH

 

[stuntman mike]

damnnnn morgan freeman mad!

 

[whywesteppin]

Many countries give citizenship purely by blood (Jus sanguinis). This would work in the USA if we passed citizenship only to descendants of Native Americans.

But America is a nation of immigrants. It's in our history, in our culture, in everything it is to be American. It's inconsistent for someone to question this while also staunchly defending constitutional amendments that they have cherry-picked.

edit: The vast majority of countries.... The vast majority of countries don't have full democracies. The vast majority of countries don't protect women's rights. The vast majority of countries don't protect LGBT citizens. The vast majority of countries don't offer a reasonable chance to escape poverty. The vast majority of countries don't allow political opposition. The vast majority of countries don't have true freedom of the press. The vast majority of countries don't have true freedom of religion. The vast majority of countries....

 

[RIP sleazyy]

I remember that time Mozart got banned from working in music

 

[IATT]

 

[dwalk31]

Do you know why? (hope that's not to too broad)

I do not

 

[dwalk31]

This is the reason that makes you a troll, your selectiveness, YOU brought up a policy that majority of countries follow to benefit your argument, when that same logic is used to combat your point, you deflect....just stop with your rhetoric bro, it’s toxic.

I stated a legitimate fact. There is no “same logic.” Perhaps you skipped some posts.

 

[dwalk31]

Many countries give citizenship purely by blood (Jus sanguinis). This would work in the USA if we passed citizenship only to descendants of Native Americans.

But America is a nation of immigrants. It's in our history, in our culture, in everything it is to be American. It's inconsistent for someone to question this while also staunchly defending constitutional amendments that they have cherry-picked.

edit: The vast majority of countries.... The vast majority of countries don't have full democracies. The vast majority of countries don't protect women's rights. The vast majority of countries don't protect LGBT citizens. The vast majority of countries don't offer a reasonable chance to escape poverty. The vast majority of countries don't allow political opposition. The vast majority of countries don't have true freedom of the press. The vast majority of countries don't have true freedom of religion. The vast majority of countries....

I don’t disagree with any of this.

And, from a legal perspective, the discussion is interesting as it relates to the interpretation of the 14th amendment.

 

[dwalk31]

Is the discussion about Roy Moore interesting from a legal perspective?

The general issue of the erosion of due process is, indeed, interesting from a legal perspective. Historically, this hasn’t worked out well for people that look like me.

 

[dwalk31]

The classic, "I don't know, I'm just asking questions"

But I did not ask a question...

 

[getback]

I do not

Sociologist John Skrentny theorized that jus soli is strongest in the Western Hemisphere because of the region’s colonial history. Traditionally, lenient naturalization laws made it more appealing for Europeans to travel to — and settle in — the New World. That was important, Skrentny told PolitiFact, because “getting people to move in was a good way to establish authority.”

Although most European countries do not offer automatic citizenship at birth to anyone born there, many make it easy for those children to later obtain citizenship.

“In Europe, 8 countries (Belgium, Finland, France, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Spain and the United Kingdom) have strong jus soli dispositions, where children born from foreign parents can acquire nationality quite easily (for example, in France, with a 5 years residency condition), wrote Charline Becker of the Hungarian Helsinki Committee, a human rights organization. “And seventeen states have safeguards allowing otherwise stateless children to acquire the nationality when they are born in the territory.”

There is also evidence that getting rid of jus soli could create a human rights crisis. Without citizenship documents, residents can’t attend school or work in the formal economy. When the Dominican Republic ditched its birthright citizenship, it created a class of 200,000 stateless people, including 60,000 children.

In Japan, hundreds of thousands of ethnic Koreans have lived without citizenship rights for decades. Many moved there after Japan annexed Korea in 1910; 600,000 stayed after the end of World War II. Japan revoked their citizenship, and they lost their voting rights and were barred from most jobs.

 

[dwalk31]

Sociologist John Skrentny has a very interesting theory

 

[APLUS]

I stated a fact. The vast majority of countries do not allow birthright citizenship. Calling that a “broad statement” doesn’t even make sense.

See definition #2.

 

[IATT]

Wait..

What now?!?!

 

[frink85]

Wait..

What now?!?!

So random, something big must be going down soon

 

[Mark Antony]

Did Fox talk about these countries yesterday?