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I don’t have a knee jerk answer. Nor do I really which countries to deem prominent.

What I will say is that America is unique. And I think comparing the performance to others in this regard is difficult due to our testing capability.

For instance, I wouldn’t compare New York City’s response to Birmingham’s. Because they are very different.

If you give me a specific country for comparison it would be easier for me to give you a direct answer. I don’t want to appear like I’m dancing around.
I said “prominent” to avoid a scenario like what you said about NYC and Birmingham but on a country level. I mean surely, the US cant be the only country with that predicament.

My clarifying response would be any countries with similar testing capabilities to the United States. However, you may think that doesn't exist...
 
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I said “prominent” to avoid a scenario like what you said about NYC and Birmingham but on a country level. I mean surely, the US cant be the only country with that predicament.

My clarifying response would be any countries with similar testing capabilities to the United States. However, you may think that doesn't exist...
If you give me a specific country I can give you an easy better or worse answer.

But I don’t really know of another country testing/reporting cases at the level the US is. But if you do, enlighten me.
 
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There is a long way between I’m fine with it and the response was disastrous. I’m not fine with 1 person dying of COVID-19, are you?

Saying it could have been much better acknowledges that there were issues.
Ah, so we get the classic "could/should do better" response with Trump. It's actually just a vague boilerplate response that could be applied to anything. We've seen you criticize people on NT more than we've seen you say anything about Trump.

Despite Trump holding rallies that ignored guidelines and put people at risk, you will continue to defend and support him. Just as you claim you're against voter suppression and continue to defend and support the people that suppress minority votes.
 
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If you give me a specific country I can give you an easy better or worse answer.

But I don’t really know of another country testing/reporting cases at the level the US is. But if you do, enlighten me.
Mr. Dwelkshowitz is trying to change the topic of how horrible the response was.

"I don’t really know of another country testing/reporting cases at the level the US is." is the failure..... That's is literally because of the horrible response
 

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Likewise, they may have been privy to information that painted a better picture than what is known to us.

But there’s really no point in going down the speculation rabbit hole.
From a scientific / public health / policy standpoint, it is absolutely necessary to second guess and to scrutinize.

From an information standpoint, they had whatever information we had, plus more. This doesn't mean their picture was "better" or "rosier" than ours. It means they could make guesses that were closer to the truth than we could. Now, over the past 6 months, we have more data so we know what the truth is, so we're in a position to scrutinize what the administration has done.
 
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From a scientific / public health / policy standpoint, it is absolutely necessary to second guess and to scrutinize.

From an information standpoint, they had whatever information we had, plus more. This doesn't mean their picture was "better" or "rosier" than ours. It means they could make guesses that were closer to the truth than we could. Now, over the past 6 months, we have more data so we know what the truth is, so we're in a position to scrutinize what the administration has done.
So, like, Monday morning quarterbacking?
 

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This is the man Delk be dropping it low for on the daily.

Imagine having such little self respect that you think this man is worthy of leading the country you live in. Thinking this man is worthy of having the benefit of the doubt on every issue.

Brahs, father your sons, and buy them a bottle of Palmer's Cocoa butter.
 
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We need to form a Fauci Squad that goes after anybody who targets Tony. Rough them up a little.

This is the exchange (painful) in case anybody wants to see a pedo defender (not delk) fall flat against Faucigod:

what an absolute clown. what a waste of 5 minutes to try and score political points and miserably fail.

Based on the information available to me, I still do not think this administration’s response was disastrous.
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The administration’s response has undoubtedly prevented a lot of deaths as well, based on the statement by Dr. Fauci this morning.

1. The administration did okay, based on the information available to them at the times, but they could have done much better.
2. Thousands of lives were saved due to this administration’s response.
3. It is a disaster that even 1 person lost their life due to COVID-19 so it is undoubtedly a disaster that 150,000+ have.

maybe you should want more than "okay" from your elected representatives. quit thinking of politics like sports for a second, drop the "my team does no wrong" attitude, and recognize that our country has absolutely botched their response to this pandemic. Instead of a uniformed response from the top down, the president himself continued to downplay the virus, said it would disappear, the heat would kill it, it would go away, undermined his own national health advisors, retweeted conspiracy theorists, and continues to hold rallies while not requiring them to wear masks.
 
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More like doing science, dWinston Smith.

The shutdown has made people think they can live their life being alienated because they have their imaginary online political family. Once America eventually gets back to normal and all the people they "cleaned house" with on social media avoid them in real life they're gonna wish their fake patriotism wasn't so aggressive.
 
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what an absolute clown. what a waste of 5 minutes to try and score political points and miserably fail.



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maybe you should want more than "okay" from your elected representatives. quit thinking of politics like sports for a second, drop the "my team does no wrong" attitude, and recognize that our country has absolutely botched their response to this pandemic. Instead of a uniformed response from the top down, the president himself continued to downplay the virus, said it would disappear, the heat would kill it, it would go away, undermined his own national health advisors, retweeted conspiracy theorists, and continues to hold rallies while not requiring them to wear masks.
Mistakes were made without doubt.

This administration is certainly not above valid criticism.

I think we agree on the points you’ve made. Okay is not enough.
 
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We need to get the word out to people that they need to mail their ballots in as soon as possible.

A Trump crony is determine to low down mail delivery so ballots won't reach on time.
Right. Within a day or two of getting that ballot, a voter should go:

1. Biden (don’t have to worry about driving so have a little overproof rum)
2.) either Democrat for congress or the leftmost candidate if it’s a top two primary State.
3.) repeat step 2 for State offices.
4.) everything else, consult the leftmost org that you trust

Put three times as much postage as you think it needs and mail it.
 
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Mistakes were made without doubt.

This administration is certainly not above valid criticism.

I think we agree on the points you’ve made. Okay is not enough.
to clarify, I do not think the administration’s response was “okay” in case you think I was agreeing with you on that point. Disastrous would be putting it lightly.

your argument that they saved plenty of lives also seems disingenuous. a house is on fire, and in the 10 minutes it takes for the fire department to get there, the house and 3 next to it all burn down. You can’t with a straight face say, “well look. If they got there later, we'd have 10 houses burned down! only 4 burned down" especially when we know the fire department could've got there in 5 minutes instead of 10 and if they did, only 2 houses would burn down.

we should've shut down earlier, required masks, and not let up as soon as we did. if he did, we could've significantly slowed down the spread, limited its impact, and opened our economy sooner and safer.

instead, the president downplayed the virus for the sake of the economy, undermined our nations top infectious disease expert, and continues to hold maskless rallies. we are the world leader in infections and deaths for a reason. it's because our response was disastrous.
 
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