:::[Official] San Francisco 49ers 2024 Season Thread [2-2 vs Cardinals 10/07 1:05PST]:::

[red80]

What? Never had the speed? Baldwin ran a 4.5(4.4 in unofficial 40) the same speed Benjamin will run. Their game speed is almost identical and their measurables are almost identical. We already have a guy like that on this roster. No thx.

 

[sylvestermcgrizzly]

timed speed and game speed are two different things and we can both agree that Jon damn sure ain't play at that speed

 

[red80]

IMO this guy is a bust waiting to happen. if he balls out ill eat crow but im easily willing to go out on a limb. doesnt impress me at all. what happens when you line this guy across a guy like brandon browner who can physically match him and he cant get off the line nor win a 50/50 jump ball because the DB is just as big as he is? his strengths are all of a sudden void and he cant be asked to work the lower routes on the tree because he cant.

 

[sylvestermcgrizzly]

So are you saying you formulated your opinion from that article or from watching him play? I already agreed he's not a polished route runner but the playmaking ability and speed makes him a good prospect. Same way in which Baldwin had the physical tools coming out to be a strong no.1but never had the drive to develop those tools and gifts. And more times than not scouts are wrong. I'm not gonna saddle a prospect with a bust label before he even plays

 

[red80]

i saw him play more than enough to come to opinion trust me. dude would be a better tight end if he had the ability to block off the edge IMO.

maybe it's because i grew up watching guys like jerry rice, cris carter, isaac bruce, tim brown etc. who could run routes in their sleep, caught the ball with their hands and didnt need to be physical freaks. i personally am not a fan of raw wide receivers that lack these essential skills. ill take a guy like steve smith over a guy like jon baldwin any day.

 

[a55a5in11]

Im heading to SF guys, for a quick vacation
any way to get alcatraz tour tickets? they sold out on the website

 

[champcruthik]

Gotta love Jarvis Landry's '13 tape against UGA and A&M.

kelvin benjamin :x horrible hands, horrible route runner. the guy basically lacks wide receiver fundamentals lol no thanks we already have a guy like that right now - jon baldwin(6'4 230). people asking for a big wide receiver and i dont know why. size=/=success.


we have a redzone target. his name is anquan boldin just ask joe flacco. it's not his fault g-ro doesn't know how to effectively call plays in the redzone. our lack of redzone success has little to do with our personnel and more to do with our approach and harbaugh's conservativeness.

I deem kelvin Benjamin a later first rounder still so raw man. He has wheels for a 6-5 guy Brandon Marshall type you ask me. Don't forget brandon Marshall was considered very raw as a Wr was a safety earlier in his collegiate career. Imma have to say Red I like Benjamin. Brandon Marshall is that ***** also

To me, KB has a higher ceiling than Mike Evans. Evans is more polished and ready to produce. He'll likely have a larger NFL impact within the first 16-24 games of their respective careers. V-Jax being the easy, operative comparison for Evans. Don't love the LSU tape from '13.

Benjamin will run sub-4.5. That seems to matter too much to scouts. Whereas Evans will be lucky to run sub-4.55. KB has vertical speed that Evans lacks. He attacks the ball at its highest point. Great leaping ability. There seems to be no middle ground on him, comparing KB to Megatron or Jon Baldwin. Wide gap, but he'll fall somewhere in between. Late first is appropriate but Benjamin has the tools to place behind Sammy in the class 10 years from now.

 

[49ersaaron8]

Gotta love Jarvis Landry's '13 tape against UGA and A&M.

To me, KB has a higher ceiling than Mike Evans. Evans is more polished and ready to produce. He'll likely have a larger NFL impact within the first 16-24 games of their respective careers. V-Jax being the easy, operative comparison for Evans. Don't love the LSU tape from '13.

Benjamin will run sub-4.5. That seems to matter too much to scouts. Whereas Evans will be lucky to run sub-4.55. KB has vertical speed that Evans lacks. He attacks the ball at its highest point. Great leaping ability. There seems to be no middle ground on him, comparing KB to Megatron or Jon Baldwin. Wide gap, but he'll fall somewhere in between. Late first is appropriate but Benjamin has the tools to place behind Sammy in the class 10 years from now.

Repped. The only guy I'm not quite sure about that everyboy says is a 1st rounder is Bradley Roby feel like 10 other corners are just as good and more active tacklers.Benjamin reminds me of Marshall after the catch.

One guy I'm worried about ending up in our division is Austin seferian-Jenkins guy is a freak and were just not looking for TE would surprise me if we took a TE at all

 

[champcruthik]

Repped. The only guy I'm not quite sure about that everyboy says is a 1st rounder is Bradley Roby feel like 10 other corners are just as good and more active tacklers. One guy I'm worried about ending up in our division is Austin seferian-Jenkins guy is a freak and were just not looking for TE would surprise me if we took a TE at all

The local Seattle link makes a lot of sense for ASJ. He under performed in '13. Kind of ceded the offensive burden to Bishop Sankey.

Roby was a top 20 prospect before the '13 season. He was exposed to the fullest. It's likely Roby falls to the top of the second in favor of Gilbert, Dennard, Verrett. Late looking for the ball. He doesn't have desired size as the NFL trends towards larger, physical DB's.

 

[49ersaaron8]

Can somebody explain to me what everybody see in Bradley Roby???
looks like all the other Ohio state corners who were overhyped coming into the draft.

 

[champcruthik]

Can somebody explain to me what everybody see in Bradley Roby???
looks like all the other Ohio state corners who were overhyped coming into the draft.

A lot in the Buckeye pipeline were successful though.

Gamble, Plummer, Clements, Winfield.

 

[49ersaaron8]

Exactly what I think could end up in Seattle and be as big a Redzone threat as Jimmy Graham.

All their glory years were short lived except Winfield.

Clements when we over paid for him I knew it was a mistake even though he was solid for the first two years. That interception in 2009 to seal the game against Atlanta in their house and then he fumbled broke my heart. Made me think he was selfish player.

Ahmed plummers contract I feel like should have gone to Julian Peterson I said it at the time. I still feel that way years later.

 

[moiety]

Im heading to SF guys, for a quick vacation
any way to get alcatraz tour tickets? they sold out on the website

Last time I was in SF the online site was sold out, but our hotels Concierge had tickets. Maybe try to go that route if you're staying in a hotel as well?

 

[cato312]

Here's a link to videos of Bowman starting his rehab:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/2/14/5405748/navorro-bowman-rehab-video-girlfriend-injury

 

[champcruthik]

Exactly what I think could end up in Seattle and be as big a Redzone threat as Jimmy Graham.

All their glory years were short lived except Winfield.

Clements when we over paid for him I knew it was a mistake even though he was solid for the first two years. That interception in 2009 to seal the game against Atlanta in their house and then he fumbled broke my heart. Made me think he was selfish player.

Ahmed plummers contract I feel like should have gone to Julian Peterson I said it at the time. I still feel that way years later.

Clements and Plummer were nice together in Buffalo in the early 2000's. A CB tandem akin to Madison/Surtain, Taylor/Vincent, Woodson/Harris.

 

[red80]

Here's a link to videos of Bowman starting his rehab:


http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/2/14/5405748/navorro-bowman-rehab-video-girlfriend-injury

man i feel for this guy. my brother is only 24 but hes had 6 surgeries in total on both his knee and shoulder(torn acl, torn meniscus and meniscus had to be removed, torn bicep tendon and rotator cuff all from football and jiu jitsu dude just has horrible luck) and i saw how tough it is for an athlete to go thru. going thru long rehabilitation as an athlete it's easy to settle into depression and feel hopeless. you have to stay mentally and emotionally strong because it's a long, slow process.





hopefully everyone close to bo is with him for the entire process.

 

[dland24]

Im heading to SF guys, for a quick vacation

any way to get alcatraz tour tickets? they sold out on the website

A little more expensive, but you get more than just a visit to Alcatraz: www.reservealcatraz.com

 

[offbad]

 

Exactly what I think could end up in Seattle and be as big a Redzone threat as Jimmy Graham.

All their glory years were short lived except Winfield.

Clements when we over paid for him I knew it was a mistake even though he was solid for the first two years. That interception in 2009 to seal the game against Atlanta in their house and then he fumbled broke my heart. Made me think he was selfish player.

Ahmed plummers contract I feel like should have gone to Julian Peterson I said it at the time. I still feel that way years later.

Clements and Plummer were nice together in Buffalo in the early 2000's. A CB tandem akin to Madison/Surtain, Taylor/Vincent, Woodson/Harris.

wait what.

they were never teammates on BUF

perhaps you are thinking of clements and winfield? mcgee? 

 

[jordanxi45]

Yeah Ahmed Plummer wasn't nice anywhere...lol...he's thinking of Winfield/Clements...

 

[moiety]

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[red80]

Here's our first roundup of current mock drafts leading up to the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine.

Daniel Jeremiah of NFL.com selects...

Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State

Roby is an explosive, fluid athlete that would fit nicely in the 49ers’ secondary.


Pete Prisco of CBS Sports selects...

Roby

He is a talented corner with good size. Doesn't everybody want that now?
 

Charles Davis of NFL Network selects...

Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State

Back to the WR well for the Niners. Benjamin is a youngster that can be groomed.


Doug Farrar of SI.com selects...

Ra’Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota

At some point in the draft, head coach Jim Harbaugh and general manager Trent Baalke will look hard at receivers, knowing that if Michael Crabtree had been healthy all season, the NFC might have gone a different way. But there’s also the matter of the defensive line over the long term — and that’s the cornerstone of Vic Fangio’s defense. Hageman, with his knack for blasting opposing linemen from the nose-shade and three-technique spots, would be an exceptional complement to Justin Smith in the short term — and Smith’s ultimate replacement over time.


Matt Miller of Bleacher Report  selects...

Allen Robinson, WR, Penn State.

Adding a big (6'3"), fast, long receiver like Allen Robinson just makes sense.

Robinson's length and yards-after-catch ability would balance out Crabtree, Patton, Boldin and tight end Vernon Davis perfectly while giving Colin Kaepernick a young receiver to learn and grow with long term. Because as soon as Boldin is no longer on the roster, Kaepernick needs another option to work with. Robinson can be that guy.


Rob Rang of CBS Sports selects...

Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

Injuries tested the 49ers depth at cornerback, exposing one of the few areas in which the team could use reinforcements. A slight frame might mean Verrett's role would be inside covering the slot but given the frequency of three-receiver sets in today's NFL, nickel cornerbacks (like pass rush specialists) are now generating first round conversations for clubs.


Dane Brugler of CBS Sports selects...

Marcus Roberson, CB, Florida

San Francisco went secondary in the first round last year and it wouldn't be a shock if they do so again, addressing the cornerback position. Roberson isn't talked about much, but if he is healthy, he is arguably the top cornerback prospect in the entire draft.

Peter Schrager of FOX Sports selects...

Verrett

The 49ers corners have done a superb job this season, despite a nagging hamstring injury for Carlos Rogers. Tramaine Brock and Tarell Brown proved they could be starters in this league. Verrett adds some depth to one of the NFL's best defensive backfields.


Nate Davis of USA Today Sports selects...

Benjamin

Huge target (6-5, 233) could be a necessity if Anquan Boldin moves on.


Eric Edholm of Yahoo! Sports selects...

Stephon Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame

Not sure how, but every year it seems that a team picking in the bottom five of Round 1 lands a great prospect who just inexplicably slides. Cordarrelle Patterson last year. Doug Martin the year before. Muhammad Wilkerson in 2011. The list goes on. In this scenario, the 49ers would be able to land a top-20 talent who had an inconsistent final season but projects nicely as a long-term replacement for Justin Smith and Ray McDonald. Tuitt can play multiple techniques and fits the mold of this defense well.


Josh Norris of RotoWorld.com selects...

Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU

It might be time to find Anquan Boldin’s eventual replacement, since he will not play forever. Landry lined up inside and out for the Tigers and can dominate at the catch point despite measuring in around 6’0/200 pounds. Colin Kaepernick tends to rely on these types of receivers.

 

[moiety]

via ESPNinsider

Extension for Jim Harbaugh?
February, 14, 2014
By Tom Carpenter | ESPN.com

Jim Harbaugh signed a five-year contract with the San Francisco 49ers in 2011, which means the coach still has two years remaining on the deal. After leading the team to a Super Bowl and two conference championship games during his three-year tenure, it's no surprise that he is looking for an extension and increase in pay. The Niners appear interested in extending him, but money could be a stumbling block.

"The biggest impediment could be his financial expectations," noted Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com. "With his brother, John, making in the neighborhood of $7 million in Baltimore, Jim may want as much or more. There’s also speculation that Jim may want more say over personnel, given reports that emerged last season regarding friction between Harbaugh and G.M. Trent Baalke."

Considering the success he has had to date as the leader of the 49ers, Harbaugh is in position to demand a hefty salary that should make him one of the top-paid coaches in the NFL. Time will tell whether the two sides can find common ground on a deal during the offseason.

Chances of Boldin returning to SF
February, 13, 2014
By Joe Kaiser | ESPN.com

The feeling around the Bay Area these days is that if the 49ers intend to keep pace with the Super Bowl champion Seahawks next season, they need to find a way to re-sign Anquan Boldin. The 33-year-old was a model of consistency last season as one of Colin Kaepernick's favorite targets, appearing in every game San Francisco played, and finishing with 101 receptions and 8 touchdowns between the regular season and playoffs.

Obviously, replacing this type of production wouldn't be easy, but there are signs that Boldin and the 49ers could soon work out a deal.

NFL Nation's Bill Williamson speculated on Wednesday that Boldin could demand a deal comparable to the one Wes Welker signed with Denver last offseason (two years, $12 million with $6 million in guaranteed money).

"Boldin made $6 million last season. While he had one of his best NFL seasons in 2013, Boldin is 33 and he won't command a huge deal," Williamson wrote. "I'm not sure he can get quite the deal that Welker got, but he may be in the range."

Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network said Wednesday that the 49ers want the soon-to-be free agent wide receiver back after a productive 2013, and he believes a deal will get done.

Adds NFL.com's Dan Hanzus: "Barring an unforeseen bidder, expect Boldin to be lining up opposite Michael Crabtree come September."

That would bring a lot of smiles, and much relief, to many Niners fans.

 

[red80]

I'm still waiting for Harbaugh to get his extension. Starting to get antsy.

 

[dland24]

While we have all posted and reflected about the past season, there is something I wanted to bring up because of how much talk there has been on this subject.  Recently, I have heard it countless times on different sports talk radio programs, as well as read a few articles, about what it is going to take for the 49ers to overtake the Seahawks as the best team in the NFC West again.  People have different theories and ideas, but ultimately, they seem to agree on one thing:  that we need to do something to sway the tides back in our favor.

Well, I am going to show you guys that I dont agree with that at all.  What I am about to post may be construed by some as hate on the Seahawks, or not acknowledging how good they truly are.  Stop.  The Seahawks are clearly legit.  Clearly one of the best teams in all of football.  BUT, I dont really think people understand how truly lucky they were this past season.  They literally had EVERYTHING go right for them. 

Examples:

• Week One against the Panthers.  DeAngelo Williams fumbled on the 8 yard line with less than 5 minutes left in the game (down 12-7).  If he simply goes down, the Panthers are first and goal from the 8 yard line.  Not to say they clearly would have scored, but they very easily could have.  The Panthers were in the middle of 72 yard drive.  The fumble ends the game.
• Week Four against the Texans.  There is a little more than 5 minutes left in the game, and with the Seahawks down by 7, and Russell Wilson throws a pick in Texans territory.  Then, Matt Schaub inexplicably throws a pick 6, instead of simply trying to run clock.  The game goes to overtime and the Seahawks win in overtime.
• Week Eight against the Rams.  The Seahawks could do nothing offensively this entire game.  Down 14-9 with less than a minute to go, the Rams had first and goal from the 6  yard line with 3 timeouts left.  You know the story.  Richardson gets to the 2 yard line on first down, Clemons throws an incompletion on second down, Richardson gets stuffed on third down and Clemons throws another incompletion on 4th down.  Game over.
• Week Nine against the Bucs.  Now we all know the Bucs are terrible, but they had a 21-0 lead in this game at one point.  They had a 10 point 4th quarter lead.  I know good teams figure out a way to win, and bad teams figure out a way to lose, but when you are down 3 touchdowns, you need almost everything to go right to win the game.  For the Seahawks, everything did, and they won in overtime.

If ANY ONE of these four bullet points dont go Seattle's way, the 49ers win the division.  If any one of these bullet points happen, the road to the Superbowl goes through Candlestick....a place the Seahawks haven't won at since 2008.

Now flip it.  Look at these examples that go against the Niners:

• Week 10 against the Panthers.  We are struggling offensively all game long.  Close to the end of the game, Kaepernick throws a beautiful pass down the seem to Vance McDonald that he drops.  He catches the ball, we are in field goal range, and win the game.
• Week 11 against the Saints.  If the refs keep their flags in their pocket with the Brooks sack/strip/fumble recovery like they should have, we win the game. 

Now, regardless of all those things that went right for Seattle, if any of these two bullets that went against the Niners go the other direction......the 49ers win the division.

Anyways, sorry for the rant.  I just have been hearing a ton of talk lately about what we need to do to beat the Seahawks.  And all I am saying is that this "we need to do ____ and _____ to beat Seattle" talk is crazy to me.  We can beat them without making huge changes.  They were just a team of destiny last season as, like I illustrated, they had so many things go their way in their quest for the Superbowl.....when the fact is that if just ONE of the many things I listed went the other direction, these endless conversations dont even happen.

 

[nawghtyhare]

While we have all posted and reflected about the past season, there is something I wanted to bring up because of how much talk there has been on this subject.  Recently, I have heard it countless times on different sports talk radio programs, as well as read a few articles, about what it is going to take for the 49ers to overtake the Seahawks as the best team in the NFC West again.  People have different theories and ideas, but ultimately, they seem to agree on one thing:  that we need to do something to sway the tides back in our favor.

Well, I am going to show you guys that I dont agree with that at all.  What I am about to post may be construed by some as hate on the Seahawks, or not acknowledging how good they truly are.  Stop.  The Seahawks are clearly legit.  Clearly one of the best teams in all of football.  BUT, I dont really think people understand how truly lucky they were this past season.  They literally had EVERYTHING go right for them. 

Examples:

• Week One against the Panthers.  DeAngelo Williams fumbled on the 8 yard line with less than 5 minutes left in the game (down 12-7).  If he simply goes down, the Panthers are first and goal from the 8 yard line.  Not to say they clearly would have scored, but they very easily could have.  The Panthers were in the middle of 72 yard drive.  The fumble ends the game.
• Week Four against the Texans.  There is a little more than 5 minutes left in the game, and with the Seahawks down by 7, and Russell Wilson throws a pick in Texans territory.  Then, Matt Schaub inexplicably throws a pick 6, instead of simply trying to run clock.  The game goes to overtime and the Seahawks win in overtime.
• Week Eight against the Rams.  The Seahawks could do nothing offensively this entire game.  Down 14-9 with less than a minute to go, the Rams had first and goal from the 6  yard line with 3 timeouts left.  You know the story.  Richardson gets to the 2 yard line on first down, Clemons throws an incompletion on second down, Richardson gets stuffed on third down and Clemons throws another incompletion on 4th down.  Game over.
• Week Nine against the Bucs.  Now we all know the Bucs are terrible, but they had a 21-0 lead in this game at one point.  They had a 10 point 4th quarter lead.  I know good teams figure out a way to win, and bad teams figure out a way to lose, but when you are down 3 touchdowns, you need almost everything to go right to win the game.  For the Seahawks, everything did, and they won in overtime.

If ANY ONE of these four bullet points dont go Seattle's way, the 49ers win the division.  If any one of these bullet points happen, the road to the Superbowl goes through Candlestick....a place the Seahawks haven't won at since 2008.

Now flip it.  Look at these examples that go against the Niners:

• Week 10 against the Panthers.  We are struggling offensively all game long.  Close to the end of the game, Kaepernick throws a beautiful pass down the seem to Vance McDonald that he drops.  He catches the ball, we are in field goal range, and win the game.
• Week 11 against the Saints.  If the refs keep their flags in their pocket with the Brooks sack/strip/fumble recovery like they should have, we win the game. 

Now, regardless of all those things that went right for Seattle, if any of these two bullets that went against the Niners go the other direction......the 49ers win the division.

Anyways, sorry for the rant.  I just have been hearing a ton of talk lately about what we need to do to beat the Seahawks.  And all I am saying is that this "we need to do ____ and _____ to beat Seattle" talk is crazy to me.  We can beat them without making huge changes.  They were just a team of destiny last season as, like I illustrated, they had so many things go their way in their quest for the Superbowl.....when the fact is that if just ONE of the many things I listed went the other direction, these endless conversations dont even happen.

i pointed out how lucky they were in the nfl thread and i kept getting stonefaced