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I don’t know if it was a great show or not, but the final lightsaber dual is one of the greatest moments in the history of the franchise imo.
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Watching again and Men In Black: International isn’t that bad.
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I can't remember when I saw it but I thought it was ok too.
Elvis was great in the same mold as Bohemian Rhapsody and Rocketman, but my God Austin Butler was INCREDIBLE. The end when it switches to real footage, my daughter and I couldn't figure out who was who. It was unreal.
I don't know the factual details that may have been tweaked or not, but we both enjoyed it start to finish.
I have an Elvis expert friend seein it Monday, she'll fill me in.
They wanted to jail dude for dancing but can't get guns off the streets no matter how many kindergartners gotta die.
I don't know the factual details that may have been tweaked or not, but we both enjoyed it start to finish.
I have an Elvis expert friend seein it Monday, she'll fill me in.
They wanted to jail dude for dancing but can't get guns off the streets no matter how many kindergartners gotta die.
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Not a big fan of the musician biopic genre so I have no desire to watch the Elvis thing either.
Ray went in during that interview with Costas
Ray went in during that interview with Costas
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to me, that dude elvis felt like the drake of his time....domination via assimilation..
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Always forget that Harrison Ford is in Apocalypse Now.
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Timberlake probably the best example.. and he only threw people under the bus when convenient
at least some black people did benefit from Timberlake
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His character was named Colonel G. Lucas. An obvious reference to George Lucas.
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That he purposely did it.
What Elvis did wasn’t new or innovative. Studios would routinely have white artists or groups “steal” a black artists song/cover it to make more money. Same thing with putting white faces on black artists records.
The idea and execution isn’t all that complicated. So it’s difficult to believe Elvis did not know what he was doing.
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Yah that's a lot of salt from Ray Charles.
Understandable salt, but salt none the less.
1. The idea that Elvis "stole" black music just doesn't make any sense.
That's how art and music works, people are inspired by other forms of music and they interpret it through their own lense.
That's what Elvis did, the same thing every other artist does.
black gospel is derived from european choral music, is black gospel stolen?
This idea that their is "black music" that should stay siloed forever in black culture
is incredibly limiting and hampers creative innovation.
2. It's not like Elvis was some interloper in black spaces, cynically stealing stuff.
He was poor white kid who grew up in an all black town and naturally was inspired by the music and people that were around him.
Which was blues music and gospel revival singers.
The movie gets into this a bit
when I was in college I took a class on early African American music and the professor explained this at the time...
The idea was elvis was their cynically stealing has become a meme but the truth is not nearly that simple.
3, Elvis always gave credit to to his black influences and never claimed to be the king.
in the 68 comeback special he explains that rock n roll is a mix of rnb and black gospel.
he generally hated being called the "king of rock and roll" and gave credit to black people for inventing the formate.
"A lot of people seem to think I started this business. But rock 'n' roll was here a long time before I came along. Nobody can sing that kind of music like colored people. Let's face it: I can't sing like Fats Domino can. I know that."
now if you wanna say american and the music industry were racist for pushing Elvis over black artists,
or claiming that he was the king of rock and roll fine.
but Elvis himself was a once in a life time musical talent, it's just crazy to deny that.
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this if anything only further emphasizes Elvis talent.
it's not like Elvis was the first person to have the bright idea to get white people to sing R'n'b music.
He didn't discover some secret skeleton key to stardom
Elvis became a star because of his incredible talent.
Elvis didn't steal anything, he was a kid who grew up in an all black town
should he have pretended to not be inspired by that upbringing?
cultural appropriation is just such a limiting lens to view art through
black artists do the same thing.
like did Kanye west "steal" from german prog rock on MBDTF?
this video breaks it down perfectly
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Yall wild ill just leave it at that 
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"Elvis is a thief"
is a classic midwit take,
it's something that average people think is the "smart take"
but its actually dumb
and no one with a detailed knowledge of elvis or music history would endorse it
and dumb people who never heard of the concept of "cultural appropriation"
can accurately gage elvis's talent.
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Completely disagree on what you are calling talent.
Asking this question makes me wonder if you understand anything about hip hop at all.
There is no comparison here. You just don’t seem to grasp what exactly Kanye West does and what producing entails which is not in any way the same as what Elvis did in his career.
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Please, please, PLEASE don't ruin this thread bro. I saw what you did to the Chappelle thread
osh kosh bosh
The regulars in here tend to have pretty intelligent discussion. I would gladly explain the numerous issues with Elvis...but I know your style. That combined with the meme post says enough
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Y’all could just ignore him until he leaves Only time we seen him in here is to defend Elvis.
I been noticing some of the new faces posting in here who been on NT. Just gotta navigate through and around it.
Only time we seen him in here is to defend Elvis. I been noticing some of the new faces posting in here who been on NT. Just gotta navigate through and around it.
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Yeah there's an intelligent breakdown to the "stealing" from black artists of that era(more so the music industry than just Elvis)but I'll pass on this Sunday, plus the way he came in you know it will be wasted.
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Please, please, PLEASE don't ruin this thread bro. I saw what you did to the Chappelle thread
The regulars in here tend to have pretty intelligent discussion. I would gladly explain the numerous issues with Elvis...but I know your style. That combined with the meme post says enough
"Pretty intelligent"
If repeating half remembered fake smart dumb takes is intelligent discussion
I apologize profusely for ruining it with the actual truth.
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It's always an amazing coincidence
the people you don't like also happen to be untalented theives.
It makes it alot easier to go through life when
you abandon nuance and ignore basic facts.
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Bro not the movie thread too come on
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Please, I didn't bring this topic up in my original post about the movie.
so go complain to the people who did.
