ayzee
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You speak like it's a rule of thumb that all judges and lawyers are in cahoots. Not true.
Turn off your TV.
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this is so wrong in so many ways...
lawyers and judges are not meeting and conspiring in the way you state, i can promise you that. if things like that got out, people would lose their license, there are very strict rules that govern the interactions between these people, and most people in these positions live their lives maintaining their professionalism. In criminal law particularly, your word and credibility is crucial, one slip and you are done. sure there are always a few bad apples in any profession, but you make it sound like a conspiracy theory
also, it is illegal for defense lawyers to charge a contingency fee in a criminal case for a reason....
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Not all, but I worked in the local courthouse for years, many judges and attorneys were friends. Attend each other parties, eat at their houses, even play basketball on the weekends. My mind was blown, and I believe that changes everything. Maybe not in criminal court because of guidelines, but definitely in family and civil courts.
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Some of y'all just got done watching batman again huh?
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absolutely, legal communities are small, you work with the same people daily. you are going to build working relationships and friendships. But people set aside their personal lives when working for the most party, naturally it has to creep in at times, but you are supposed to represent your client and advocate to the best of your abilities. Lawyers and judges both have very strict ethical codes to live by...
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Never said it's a rule of thumb. But it happens extremely frequently. I'm speaking off first hand experience of witnessing.
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Ok, you can't promise me that. Because it happens. Not rarely, not sometimes, but very frequently. When my aunt was becoming a lawyer (I was too young to remember exact time period), she told me that they said if any black people come into your office just assume they're guilty to expedite the process. I believe that's when she was starting out as a PD though. Now she has her own practice and everything, but she was the one that told me the lawyer and the judge are friends for one of the situations I was going through (thank God it was minor). So subconsciously they're going to be carrying out the same agenda. No way around it.
Thank you. You have people here promising stuff isn't the way that I and many others have witnessed ourselves.
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I want to believe this, but I just can't. It's very hard to prove unfortunately.
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I can promise you that, i am extremely plugged in to the system and would have a better concept of what truly transpires than most. Like i said, i am sure things like you state do occur, but not with the frequency that you present.
one anecdote of racism does not translate to an entire profession carrying out racism, sure it happens in some cases, but it is more than likely the exception rather than the rule.
lawyers and judges carry out different roles in the court room, despite them being friends, they arent on the same team. While they may have had like-minded ideals about the case in question, that was likely due to the facts in question and the applicable law as opposed to them being in cahoots.
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Just stop it. "People are going to build relationships, but seperate it from....." Sounds silly. Everything in this country is built off of personal relationships. Doctors will over prescribe because of the "partnership" aka relationship with pharmaceuticals. Wasn't there a story about the guy who raped a 3 year old, but is avoiding jail time? You think the lawyer is going to fight for me (a black male) which will give the judge, DA, etc more work and headache when they were just having a ball playing golf the day before? When this said lawyer consciously or subconsciously may think I am either guilty or have a natural inclination to be a criminal anyway...
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these are all exceptions to the rule, not the standard. outliers.
i absolutely think a defense attorney would fight for you, i have seen it first hand. I have seen them fight for clients extremely hard who were plainly guilty (regardless of race as well). That is their job. Defense attorneys make my job a pain in the *** all day, its what they do. they do not care if we have a good relationship, they do their job and do it well
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I don't even have to go into much about that. While you may have witnessed that wherever you're at, that is in fact the outlier. We've seen cases with national attention that still didn't serve the obvious justice that was needing to be served. Lol at the mere thought of me putting any faith or trust into a DA.
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I just want dude to tell me what country corruption doesn't exist.
Who said it doesn't? That statement was completely irrelevant.
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such flawed thinking, there are millions upon millions of cases filed every day, you anecdotes here and there are not the rule, the vast majority of cases are adjudicated fairly. you overblow national cases that get screwed up and apply that to everyone. you hear s few stories that are negative and ignore the thousands of positive cases that go through with no publicity. its the jury that renders the verdict, you know that right? as for mistrusting the DA, thats your issue. you obviously have a problem with authority. but i can tell you this, you might hate the DA for whatever you were charged with (when there was likely a reason for it), but everyone loves the DA when they are on your side. somebody has to keep people off meth, heroin, etc., someone has to stop crime
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createdestroy
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eyedea, you are not going to win them over with reason and logic.
Best thing to do is focus on getting them to explain a solution to the issue... and then point out the flaws in their idealistic notions that would not work in the real world.
Best thing to do is focus on getting them to explain a solution to the issue... and then point out the flaws in their idealistic notions that would not work in the real world.
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Man this is a great idea and hopefully it catches on elsewhere. Perfect that the software prevents the cops from doing anything with the video after it's recorded. Use of force and complaints went down drastically when that department started using them, pretty good step forward.
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i am just telling how it is... you are right tho, you cant fight flawed logic, if someone wants to extrapolate a few bad apples and apply it to the whole when it makes no sense so be it.
as for a solution, everyone can make a difference, protect yourself, do your part, abide by laws, always cover yours when dealing with authorities. or better yet get an education and make change from within. most people in the system are not crooked and do what they do for a reason, mainly to protect those who cant protect themselves (whether it be someone who is accused of crime or victimized by one)
ayzee
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This dudes given me a few good chuckles today
ayzee
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Give me some examples. "Frequently" would suggest weekly or even daily considering the amount of cases that travel through the system one way or another on a given weekday. What/who is your source?
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This x-over 9000
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The person complaining of govt conspiracies and control doesn't get it. The IRONY. For someone calling others on living under control, your just as much of a sheep.
"those who choose to remain ignorant and support a broken system"
Bruh u lost me at "conjuring up karma" I literally laughed out loud. No disrespect to u as an individual but I can't take anything you say seriously after that.
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createdestroy
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The person complaining of govt conspiracies and control doesn't get it. The IRONY. For someone calling others on living under control, your just as much of a sheep.
"those who choose to remain ignorant and support a broken system"
Bruh u lost me at "conjuring up karma" I literally laughed out loud. No disrespect to u as an individual but I can't take anything you say seriously after that.
the way lionblood wrote his message was takes more interpretation than your average internet comment...
conjure up karma = not relying on an actual societal mechanism to hold law and punish ie. relying on the concept of a natural balance of doing good to keep order in society.
I can tell dude is a writer... but maybe this is going over your head.
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Oh you can tell he's a writer? You must be a highly educated young man to be able to come to that conclusion. You might be I wouldn't know will never know and will never care. If I were to be so naive as to judge you based strictly on what you post here on NT it would be my opinion that you're a buffoon. I was able to make that conclusion because of your writing style...but maybe that went over your head 
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