Police Brutality Discussion & Solutions...

[HEATHEN]

source to the data that supports this?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-17-Copmisconduct_N.htm



also go to policemisconduct.net. from their 2009 & 2010 data, they have shown that the misconduct rate rised from 09' to '10.


Unfortunately the cato institute hasn't conducted research on the matter since these years, and there's not a lot of new studies out.


But post 9/11 officers have become more & more aggressive.


also, there is a number of incidents that go unreported. I'd wager most incidents go unreported. I never filed a complaint for the assault I sustained at the hands of the NYPD detective, quite frankly I was scared.

 

[HEATHEN]

using wshh to prove how corrupt police are is like using wshh to prove how black people are all criminals...

Did you miss this link then?


http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/police-brutality-and-abuse-of-power-the-new-norm-graphic-video/

 

[createdestroy]

using wshh to prove how corrupt police are is like using wshh to prove how black people are all criminals...

Did you miss this link then?


http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/police-brutality-and-abuse-of-power-the-new-norm-graphic-video/

wheres the data on police brutality trends?

 

[createdestroy]

source to the data that supports this?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-17-Copmisconduct_N.htm

^University of Toledo law professor David Harris, who analyzes police conduct issues, says it will take time to determine whether the cases represent a sustained period of more aggressive prosecutions or the beginnings of a surge in misconduct.


policemisconduct.net

These are the raw monthly databases used to generate each month’s statistics. These are pulled from the National Police Misconduct News Feed on Twitter, so you can think of these as archives of each month’s police misconduct news feed

c'mon.... self compiled data from their news feed?
do you guys even try to find valid sources for your opinions?
or is any data that correlates good enough for you?

 

[HEATHEN]

wheres the data on police brutality trends?

smh...page back bruh....


you want me to sit in your lap and read it to you too patna?

 

[HEATHEN]

University of Toledo law professor David Harris, who analyzes police conduct issues, says it will take time to determine whether the cases represent a sustained period of more aggressive prosecutions or the beginnings of a surge in misconduct.


policemisconduct.net

These are the raw monthly databases used to generate each month’s statistics. These are pulled from the National Police Misconduct News Feed on Twitter, so you can think of these as archives of each month’s police misconduct news feed

c'mon.... self compiled data from their news feed? do you guys even try to find valid sources for your opinions? or is any data that correlates good enough for you?

funny tho, the lack of data should be more alarming to you. nobody even cares to conduct valid studies.


but just look at the news man, it feels like every day I wake up and there's yet another instance.

 

[createdestroy]

wheres the data on police brutality trends?

smh...page back bruh....


you want me to sit in your lap and read it to you too patna?

that data is not scientific.... its editorial

 

[HEATHEN]

that data is not scientific.... its editorial

but there's still a ton of instances you can see just by picking your local paper, or national paper.


it's all out there.


plus like I said a ton of this **** goes undocumented.



I straight up didn't have the balls to ask for detective for his badge number for fear of escalation when I got assaulted. Felt like, "damn I can't defend myself in this situation and if I want to press the issue from a legal standpoint I might die tonight."

 

[createdestroy]

University of Toledo law professor David Harris, who analyzes police conduct issues, says it will take time to determine whether the cases represent a sustained period of more aggressive prosecutions or the beginnings of a surge in misconduct.


policemisconduct.net

These are the raw monthly databases used to generate each month’s statistics. These are pulled from the National Police Misconduct News Feed on Twitter, so you can think of these as archives of each month’s police misconduct news feed

c'mon.... self compiled data from their news feed? do you guys even try to find valid sources for your opinions? or is any data that correlates good enough for you?

funny tho, the lack of data should be more alarming to you. nobody even cares to conduct valid studies.

the law professor who analyzes police conduct issues says it hasn't been determined whether the inscrease in police misconduct cases has to do with an increase in police misconduct, or more aggressive prosecution against bad police....

the data is there it just isnt clear cut... I am trying to find the scientific data to look at myself but none of you have bothered to find it before forming an opinion...

 

[createdestroy]

that data is not scientific.... its editorial

but there's still a ton of instances you can see just by picking your local paper, or national paper.


it's all out there.


plus like I said a ton of this **** goes undocumented.



I straight up didn't have the balls to ask for the officers badge number for fear of escalation when I got assaulted. Felt like, "damn I can't defend myself in this situation and if I want to press the issue from a legal standpoint I might die tonight."

im looking for data not "instances" ... it's 2014... theres no excuse for building opinions off editorialized mass media and generalizations...

 

[HEATHEN]

im looking for data not "instances" ... it's 2014... theres no excuse for building opinions off mass media and generalizations...

but again there's a lack of studies being done.


there isn't a lack of instances and evidence.


and again do you realize how many people don't report these incidents? if you're getting abused by a cop are you really going to ask for a badge number? might catch a bullet.



and who would researchers get their information from? the actual agencies? right because agencies are forthcoming about this information. yep...

 

[createdestroy]

im looking for data not "instances" ... it's 2014... theres no excuse for building opinions off mass media and generalizations...

but again there's a lack of studies being done.


there isn't a lack of instances and evidence.


and again do you realize how many people don't report these incidents? if you're getting abused by a cop are you really going to ask for a badge number? might catch a bullet.

so 2014 police force is more corrupt than 1960's police force?... 1940's?....1900's?

 

[HEATHEN]

so 2014 police force is more corrupt than 1960's police force?... 1940's?....1900's?

you're comparing an era where discrimination was culturally acceptable to a time where it's not yet still very prevalent within our police forces.


back then entire towns were filled with bigots.

 

[createdestroy]

so 2014 police force is more corrupt than 1960's police force?... 1940's?....1900's?

you're comparing an era where discrimination was culturally acceptable to a time where it's not yet still very prevalent within our police forces.


back then entire towns were filled with bigots.

exactly... so what point in time are you comparing the current police force to when you say they are getting worse?

and where is the actual data that supports it?

I'm interested in facts, not opinions

 

[HEATHEN]

exactly... so what point in time are you comparing the current police force to when you say they are getting worse?

and where is the actual data that supports it?

I'm interested in facts, not opinions

As stated earlier, since 9/11.


http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-17-Copmisconduct_N.htm


Also posted that link earlier.

Another article.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civilians-since-911/172029/


And another one.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/increa...utnumber-americans-killed-in-iraq-war/5361554


And another one.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/police-militarization-9-11-september-11_n_955508.html



And you continuing to ask me about data, and timeframes that I've already mentioned just tells me you're not reading my posts before questioning the legitimacy of my statements.


You're biased.

 

[HEATHEN]

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-17-Copmisconduct_N.htm



also go to policemisconduct.net. from their 2009 & 2010 data, they have shown that the misconduct rate rised from 09' to '10.


Unfortunately the cato institute hasn't conducted research on the matter since these years, and there's not a lot of new studies out.


But post 9/11 officers have become more & more aggressive.


also, there is a number of incidents that go unreported. I'd wager most incidents go unreported. I never filed a complaint for the assault I sustained at the hands of the NYPD detective, quite frankly I was scared.

My earlier post.


Where I previously posted that usatoday article and addressed the timeframe I was specifically talking about.


You didn't even bother, you cherry-picked a portion of my post to address. I already know how you do Create, been here long enough with you to see your M.O.


You missed vital information in that very post, not once, but twice. Earlier you missed the data YOU asked for, then you missed the link & timeframe in question.


Piece of work....

 

[createdestroy]

exactly... so what point in time are you comparing the current police force to when you say they are getting worse?

and where is the actual data that supports it?

I'm interested in facts, not opinions

As stated earlier, since 9/11.


http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-17-Copmisconduct_N.htm


Also posted that link earlier.

Another article.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civilians-since-911/172029/


And another one.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/increa...utnumber-americans-killed-in-iraq-war/5361554


And another one.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/police-militarization-9-11-september-11_n_955508.html



And you continuing to ask me about data, and timeframes that I've already mentioned just tells me you're not reading my posts before questioning the legitimacy of my statements.


You're biased.

of those 4 articles, only the first one has actual study data for police misconduct the rest are editorials....
the professor in the article concludes:

University of Toledo law professor David Harris, who analyzes police conduct issues, says it will take time to determine whether the cases represent a sustained period of more aggressive prosecutions or the beginnings of a surge in misconduct.

 

[HEATHEN]

and it's not just an issue of misconduct, or brutality. it's excessive force as well.


you see, those stats wouldn't even be factored into misconduct numbers because most of the time? cops get off the hook. their use of excessive, often deadly force is brushed under the rug. so it's not factored into misconduct stats.



so you see the data we have, is largely skewed. it's difficult to really pin down the specifics of this epidemic because we're trying to derive information from corrupt agencies that protect their own.


Edit: ah I already knew where you were going next, posted your rebuttal as I was finishing my thought.



Your modus? I already know brodus.

 

[createdestroy]

and it's not just an issue of misconduct, or brutality. it's excessive force as well.


you see, those stats wouldn't even be factored into misconduct numbers because most of the time? cops get off the hook. their use of excessive, often deadly force is brushed under the rug.



so you see the data we have, is largely skewed. it's difficult to really pin down the specifics of this epidemic because we're trying to derive information from corrupt agencies that protect their own.


Edit: ah I already knew where you were going next, posted your rebuttal as I was finishing my thought.

where's the data on post 9/11 police being more aggresive?

imo i'd take 2014 police over 1980's and 1990's police

EDIT: excessive force is included in misconduct... read the article data

 

[HEATHEN]

and really we're not going to come to any middle ground. you and others are going to continue to pardon this type of behavior, continue to label the behavior as outlier behavior and continue to support an unjust system.


I'm never going to get with that bro, it's just laughable.

where's the info on post 9/11 police being more aggresive?

imo i'd take 2014 police over 1980's and 1990's police

EDIT: excessive force is included in misconduct... read the article data

genius, not every case of excessive force is deemed as such. how many times have cops gotten away scot-free from BLATANT instances of excessive force?



and it's not about taking our modern police over those eras. it's about an ongoing culture of abuse of power and a system that simply does not work.


cops are out here busting "druggies" and tackling people over noise complaints and forming a crowd.



there isn't enough accountability.

 

[createdestroy]

and really we're not going to come to any middle ground. you and others are going to continue to pardon this type of behavior, continue to label the behavior as outlier behavior and continue to support an unjust system.


I'm never going to get with that bro, it's just laughable.

where's the info on post 9/11 police being more aggresive?

imo i'd take 2014 police over 1980's and 1990's police

EDIT: excessive force is included in misconduct... read the article data

genius, not every case of excessive force is deemed as such. how many times have cops gotten away scot-free from BLATANT instances of excessive force?



and it's not about taking our modern police over those eras. it's about an ongoing culture of abuse of power and a system that simply does not work.


cops are out here busting "druggies" and tackling people over noise complaints and forming a crowd.



there isn't enough accountability.

I'm simply asking you to back up your opinions...and you only posted a few editorials and an article that actually undermines your own point...
Seems like you focused on the headline rather than the content....

I just like discussing issues and gaining info... I ave no idea what the trends are.... and from our dicussion I can see you don't either.

 

[HEATHEN]

and here's another article, like I said agencies are NOT forthcoming with data which makes the information we do have very skewed.


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/03/12/3393421/chicago-police-misconduct/


and if you think CPD is the only agency that withholds info you're nuts.

 

[HEATHEN]

I'm simply asking you to back up your opinions...and you only posted a few editorials and an article that actually undermines your own point...
Seems like you focused on the headline rather than the content....

I just like discussing issues and gaining info... I ave no idea what the trends are.... and from our dicussion I can see you don't either.

what I've been telling you is that the data is skewed and difficult to provide because the very agencies that are supposed to provide this information are withholding it.

 

[createdestroy]

and here's another article, like I said agencies are NOT forthcoming with data which makes the information we do have very skewed.


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/03/12/3393421/chicago-police-misconduct/


and if you think CPD is the only agency that withholds info you're nuts.

I understand the police corruption does occur... that is obvious...read back to my first few comments in the thread

the issue at hand is the prevalence and trend

Is it getting worse or better and what can be done to fix the problem?

 

[HEATHEN]

I understand the police corruption does occur.... I'm just interested in the trend.

Is it getting worse or better?

What do you think? Honestly....