Police Kill Unarmed Teen In Ferguson, Missouri

oneilmatt said:
 
nawghtyhare said:
Well Oscar grant was killed while sitting in handcuffs
Sean bell was killed sitting in his car
They wasn't resisting
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They weren't. But was Michael Brown? The fact that he is dead suggests to me that he was. But until we know for sure and get the officer's testimony it is pointless to "take up arms against the racist government" or whatever they think they're doing. For all anyone knows the guy tried to take the officer's gun. You all assume he was doing nothing when in all probability he was.
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Pot meet kettle.

And btw, why is getting the officer's testimony the point where we "know for sure"?  
 
sooperhooper said:
I haven't been following this closely, has info been released as to why the cop shot in the first place? No way am I buying that he shot dude with his hands on the air, although that's what people are making it seem like. I heard something about he reached for a cell phone and the cop felt threatened. I'm just curious as to why the officer had a gun drawn over some kids waking down the street.
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Soooo reaching for a cell phone justifies someone being shot?

Multiple times?
 
Mamba MVP said:
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Just disheartening man. And can we PLEASE get **** in order on our own soil before we keep getting into to conflicts with people that hate us and have been fighting since the beginning of time?

I don't know what kind of national stance, action, or legislation can be taken on this situation, but enough is enough man.
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I hear you mate. I hear you. We are busy in here sidetracked arguing over things that become trivial and completely of course from something as simple as the thread topic, taking it out of context, something as simple as how confused and disorganized we can be over a thread argument just proves how easy it is for our America to keep us sidetracked on what is really happening outside this text life of NT
 
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He was black so he was probably confrontational with the officer.


White dude shoots up an entire movie and he's declared mentally disturbed..

This **** is so dumb you got to say it out loud sometimes...
 
oneilmatt said:
 
DON RAMON said:
 
the police are a vile, disgusting gang-like entity

they're not there to uphold the peace. they're there to play superhero wargames with civilians (people of color mostly)

**** them and their families who live off their inflated police paychecks and even more inflated sense of worth
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Inflated 
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 city employees here don't make * you clown.

Why don't you go down there and kill some cops' kids. After all they're just laughing at you with their inflated self worth. People like you are who these cops are protecting themselves and civilians from. 
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go kill some cops' kids?

people like me are who these cops are protecting themselves from? 

i'm not about to go back and forth with you, but it's clear to see from your response you're nothing more than a privileged apologist hack

pm me if you have an issue with me and keep the assumptions and personal insults about me or anyone else in this thread to yourself, ok tough guy?
 
tay1 said:
sooperhooper said:
I haven't been following this closely, has info been released as to why the cop shot in the first place? No way am I buying that he shot dude with his hands on the air, although that's what people are making it seem like. I heard something about he reached for a cell phone and the cop felt threatened. I'm just curious as to why the officer had a gun drawn over some kids waking down the street.
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Soooo reaching for a cell phone justifies someone being shot?

Multiple times?
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Read what I posted on the last page.

Nawzlew said:
Came across this on reddit and thought I'd share. A cop explains why sometimes people get shot on accident. Take it how you will, just thought it was interesting.

It looks like your questions have been sufficiently answered, but I'd like to share this story with you. This happened to me recently:
At about 01:30 in the morning, I pulled up in my cruiser to a medical office building to follow up on a theft case I was working on. The parking lot is not very well lit. As I step out of my cruiser, a man runs towards me, holding something in his right hand. It's dark, and all I can make out is that it's thin, about 6" long, and one half is wrapped in cloth. He starts swinging it around, yelling "I'll ******* kill you! I'll eat you! I'll **** you!"
I draw my firearm, point it at him, and start giving loud verbal commands. At the same time, I radio dispatch for help. He's not responding to my commands. He's still yelling, swinging the item, making stabbing motions, making threats. He starts approaching slowly, I back off to keep distance. We start moving into the street. About that time my backup shows up. Other officers draw down on the man, start giving verbal commands. He's still not responding.
At this point, it would have been prudent to tase him, but my department doesn't equip us with tasers.
We finally end up in a well lit area across from a restaurant (and boy oh boy, were the cell phones out.) As we're continuing to go back and forth with this guy, one of my backup units gets in close enough to see that what he's holding isn't a knife, and doesn't look like a shank, either. He hits the guy with OC spray to no effect, and then moves in with a baton, striking the hand holding the object. The guy finally drops the object, we all move in and take him down. Bonus: He's covered in feces and urine.
So what was the object? All that time? A ninja turtles toothbrush.
Here's the thing: At any time during that encounter, from the time he initially approached me aggressively to the time we were finally able to see what the item was, had he charged at me or another officer, or a bystander, I (we) would have shot and killed him. Now I did have the presence of mind during the encounter to wonder if the item was in fact a knife, because I've had similar experiences before. But given his behavior, and the way he was brandishing it, I had perfectly good reason to believe that it was a weapon. More importantly, I'm not going to let my own doubts get me killed.
So what if I had killed him?
Well, the cell phone videos would be out. The media would report, initially, the most simple version of the story:
Townsville Metro Police Kill Man Wielding Toothbrush.
Reddit is pretty quick with things like this, so shortly thereafter on the front page:
Police officer MURDERS man over ninja turtles toothbrush.
The initial news headline would play out for a bit, until they got a few more details.
Townsville Metro Police Shoot Young Black Man Wielding Toothbrush.
Another media outlet, upset that they didn't get the initial scoop, goes with something a bit more sensational to grab the media consumer's attention:
Townsville Police Kill Unarmed Young Black Man.
There you have it. The average media consumer's opinion has already been formed by the headline - many won't even bother to read the story. Even if they did, the story will contain the most basic of details. Cops shoot guy, guy only has toothbrush.
Here's what the stories won't contain: My thoughts and feelings upon the initial encounter. The things that I can (or can't) see. My fear. My wondering if I'm about to kill a man, and how I'm going to deal with that. Am I going to break down like so many others? Become an alcoholic? What if it doesn't stop him? What if he kills me? I need help. Where are they? What's taking them so long? Who is this man? Why does he want to kill me? What if a bystander walks into this? I can't let him take a hostage. Goddamnit where is my backup?!
And then later: My god, I almost killed a man over a toothbrush. Would it have been justified? Maybe the courts would have exonerated me, but would I still get fired? Could I forgive myself? Great, I've got someone else's **** and piss all over me for the third time this week.
And then, much later...well, just imagine, after all that, how it feels to see someone watch a massively abbreviated news report on the incident, form an entire opinion based upon that miniscule amount of information (and their complete lack of qualified expertise or experience) and condemn me for my decisions. As weird as it sounds, this is my job - my expertise. Criticizing me for how I deal with a **** covered maniac is no different than you walking in on an open heart surgery and telling the surgeon he's using the wrong scalpel.
Don't let the media form your opinions. Understand that investigations can take a very long time. Most importantly, understand that these situations are often so massively complicated that no journalist could ever truly convey all of the details - especially what's going on in my head when I have to make that critical, life altering decision.
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DON RAMON said:
 
go kill some cops' kids?

people like me are who these cops are protecting themselves from? 

i'm not about to go back and forth with you, but it's clear to see from your response you're nothing more than a privileged apologist hack

pm me if you have an issue with me and keep the assumptions and personal insults about me or anyone else in this thread to yourself, ok tough guy?
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Calling me tough guy when youre asking me to virtually "take this outside" 
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Calling me privileged when I live in a middle class neighborhood and drive a 22 year old car. Thanks for assuming that because I'm white I somehow benefit from "privilege"
 
Chp officer beats the crap out of black women.

I'm sure she was resisting right?

talk to me.
 
Wr said:
I think another reason this cop is being protected is because this may not be the first incident and this could kick up some old dirt.
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I thought about that right away.  It takes a special kind of person to shoot someone running away from you.  Wouldn't be surprised at all if there were some other documented, questionable altercations under his belt.  
 
DON RAMON said:
 
this is a gang, a paramilitary

seasoned miliatry personnel will tell you themselves that this is nothing, but a bunch of macho clowns with poor training and even poorer social skills

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Why the hell do cops need gear like this? Looks like they about invade gaza or iraq
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doyung9 said:
It's sad that an entire town is willing to say, "yup, you caught us, we're all racists."

Like, there's got to be ONE non-racist white cop on the police force in that town, right?
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i know what you're saying, but just to make it clear, the town of ferguson is predominantly black while the police force is 94% white
 
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