QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson

[Chester McFloppy]

I'm intrigued to see Kaepernick this Sunday and going forward. He really has looked different -- better. Everyone should throw the ball all around on Pittsburgh, but he did what he should have done. Arizona will be a unique test.

Me too. He hasn't been throwing fastballs the first two games and showing a good bit of touch. Really impressed with Kaep so far.

Teddy will be fine. First week jitters hit a lot of guys.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Tall got CP riled up and he broke out the spreadsheets.

 

[jpzx]

Bridgewater vs. Jason Varrett, Brandon Flowers, Eric Weddle?

 

[DeadsetAce]

Bridgewater vs. Jason Varrett, Brandon Flowers, Eric Weddle?

they haven't been lights out by any means, but still a good test for Teddy

 

[jpzx]

Definitely. I saw San Diego's tied for third most passing TD's against. Eric Weddle's 31 in a few months too, I wonder. Need to see them play more

 

[100027]

That's a big game for two 9-7 or 10-6 type teams

 

[proshares]

Kap's pocket presence just looks completely different this year.

Ches, that's a great list. I think I'd add 06 Manning to that. Was trying to think which Brees season was best, that's a tough one between 09 and 11. My favorite Vick year will always be 2010. Just for him to come back like that was great for me to watch.

 

[dmxfury]

Manning 04 - 06 was pretty special

 

[mister friendly]

Active quarterbacks career lost fumbles and career games

Brady 40 lost fumbles in 211 career games

Peyton 27 lost fumbles in 258 career games

AR12 17 lost fumbles in 112 career games

Brees 40 lost fumbles in 204 career games

Roethlisberger 40 lost fumbles in 161 career games

Romo 27 lost fumbles in 131 career games

Ryan 17 lost fumbles in 112 career games

Wilson 8 lost fumbles in 50 career games

Luck 14 lost fumbles in 50 career games

Flacco 20 lost fumbles in 114 career games

Cam 14 lost fumbles in 64 career games

Stafford 14 lost fumbles in 79 career games

Kaepernick 12 lost fumbles in 50 career games

Dalton 11 lost fumbles in 66 career games

Tannehill 12 lost fumbles in 50 career games

 

[fraij da 5 11]

What's actually being discussed right now?

 

[DeadsetAce]

What's actually being discussed right now?

fumbles

 

[dmxfury]

Ben fumbles a lot. Not surprising how he tries to extend plays

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Exciting stuff.

 

[Retroballer]

People fumbling their feels more like it. View media item 1725860

 

[651akathepaul]

*ba-dum-ch*

 

[CP1708]

Marino 1984:
64%, 48 TD, 17 INT, 109 rating, 5,084 yards on 564 attempts, in 16 games, 14-2

Rodgers 2011:
68%, 45 TD, 6 INT, 122 rating, 4,643 yards on 502 attempts, in 15 games, 14-1

Brady 2007:
69%, 50 TD, 8 INT, 117 rating, 4,806 yards on 578 attempts, in 16 games, 16-0

Peyton 2013:
68%, 55 TD, 10 INT, 115 rating, 5,477 yards on 659 attempts, in 16 games, 13-3

Peyton 2004:
67%, 49 TD, 10 INT, 121 rating, 4,557 yards on 497 attempts, in 16 games, 12-4

Warner 1999:
65%, 41 TD, 13 INT, 109 rating, 4,353 yards on 499 attempts, in 16 games, 13-3

Favre 2009:
68%, 33 TD, 7 INT, 107 rating, 4,202 yards on 531 attempts, in 16 games, 12-4

Brees 2011:
71%, 46 TD, 14 INT, 110 rating, 5,476 yards on 657 attempts, in 16 games, 13-3

Stafford 2011:
63%, 41 TD, 16 INT, 97 rating, 5,038 yards on 663 attempts, in 16 games, 10-6

Young 1994:
70%, 35 TD, 10 INT, 113 rating, 3,969 yards on 461 attempts, in 16 games, 13-3

Culpepper 2004:
69%, 39 TD, 11 INT, 111 rating, 4,717 yards on 548 attempts in 16 games, 8-8

Montana 1989:
70%, 26 TD, 8 INT, 112 rating, 3,521 yards on 386 attempts in 13 games, 11-2

Ben 2014:
67%, 32 TD, 9 INT, 103 rating, 4,952 yards on 608 attempts in 16 games, 11-5

These are the ones that stand out to me. 2011, man.

Culpepper 8-8, what the heck was goin on there?

 

[DeadsetAce]

@ those 600+ attempt years in 2011 :x

 

[sole searchin]

Just at a cursory glance, I wanted to check on some things, kind of match up with some of what MF has been thinkin.

I've pointed out the 50 games, 48 INT's. Basically one a game. But that isn't the case really.

For instance, Luck's rookie year, he threw 3 INT's his first game.

So, I went thru them all.

Rookie year, 16 games, 18 INT's, but 13 of them came in FIVE (!!!!!!!!) games! That means that as a rookie, he had 11 games totaling just 5 INT's.
Year 2, 16 games, 9 INT's, and 3 of them came in one game. That leaves 15 games, with just 6 INT's.
Year 3, 16 games, 16 INT's, and 10 of them came in 5 games. That leaves 11 games, with just 6 INT's.


That's a total of 37 games, with 17 INT's.
The other 11 games, he has 26. (4 3 INT games, and 7 2 INT games) (also, add 1 3 and 1 2 already this year)


Basically, that tells me they come in bushels for him. 37 games, and just 17 INT's is hardly the need to take better care of the ball.

The 11 games are his biggest culprits, and those include 3 3 INT games his rookie year. That rookie year alone inflates his INT totals.


The first 3 multi INT games of his career, they were blown out. Badly.
The next 2, they won both games.

The 2nd year, they were blown out in his 3 INT game.

Year 3, they were blown out twice, and lost one close one, and won 2 of his multi INT games.

The Bears, the Jets, the Patriots, the Lions, the Titans are the rookie year multi INT games.,
The Rams were year 2.
Broncos, Ravens, Steelers, Browns, Cowboys year 3.

And of course, Bills and Jets so far this year.


So again, 50 games, 48 INT's, and the majority of them coming in just a handful of games.



37 games with just 17 INT's total. And the majority of his multi INT games come during blow outs.

To me, that don't sound like a guy that has ball control issues. Those are factors going on that contribute to a few forced throws, and a couple catch up to him. Otherwise, the majority of his work, he takes very good care of the football.

Let me put this out there. Luck is an all time TALENT but he has yet to be great. At this point your just picking and choosing stats to fit your agenda.

He throws picks. He needs to tone them down. Period. He could throw the ball 40+ times a game but if 2 or 3 are picked off it doesn't matter. It stalls the offense or prevents a comeback and just makes a blowout even worse. You'd have to actually go back and watch/see when the picks are thrown to see if he's more of a problem to get them that down in the first place.

You said a majority of his 3int games have been in blowouts but that doesn't even tell the whole story. First of all, it's 3:4 in your explanation without including this years games and if you include his years games, he's probably the reason the team got down quickly. So that would make it 3:6 in favor of nonblowout 3 isn't games. Second, again, he could be the reason for the blowouts with his TO/picks.

All in all, win a ring or two, take the colts to the super bowl and no one cares ala Russ.

 

[statis22]

How y'all just gon leave out Nick Foles like 2013 didn't exist?

 

[CP1708]

 

[CP1708]

How y'all just gon leave out Nick Foles like 2013 didn't exist?

I thought about it. I did. And maybe it belongs, I just don't see it like the years I listed. You think I'm wrong? Should I add it?

 

[CP1708]

Foles 2013:
64%, 27 TD, 2 INT, 119 rating, 2,891 yards on 317 attempts, in 10 games, 8-2

 

[mister friendly]

1998 Cunnigham, 2014 Romo.

 

[CP1708]

Cunningham 1998:
61%, 34 TD, 10 INT, 106 rating, 3,704 yards on 425 attempts, in 14 games, 13-1

Romo 2014:
70%, 34 TD, 9 INT, 113 rating, 3,705 yards on 435 attempts, in 15 games, 12-3

Solid years, percents, ratings, etc, but not really the gunning everyone down, 400+ yards, 4 TD's every week type seasons. But certainly very good years, both of them.

 

[mister friendly]

Actually 1998 Cunnigham was a "gunning everyone down" type season for its era

He came off the bench late when Brad Johnson broke his leg and he was knocked out vs the Saints in the 1st quarter and only threw 2 passes.

If you just count the 13 full games Randall Cunnigham played he averaged 282 yards per game, that wouldve placed 8th all time for a single season at that point. His 34 touchdown passes placed him on 10th on the all time single season list. Randall Cunnigham also had the 5th all time single season passer rating. If he played all 16 games, its not unreasonable to think he could've thrown 40 passing touchdowns. That season was remarkable.

2014 Romo was one of most efficient passing seasons a quarterback has ever had. Its 6th all time in passer rating and 9th all time in QBR.