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I butchered the hell out of that :x
Basically if God isn't all knowing I don't think that would disqualify God from being God just because mankind says he's all knowing.
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I butchered the hell out of that :x
Basically if God isn't all knowing I don't think that would disqualify God from being God just because mankind says he's all knowing.
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Ok, I understand you now. I don't agree, but I get what your saying. Interesting.
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God needn't be all knowing, this is an arbitrary stipulation set up by imperfect ma. God has the capacity to be all knowing, but this would defeat the purpose o giving people free will. With that being said, there is no such thing as predestination...free will is indeed a peculiar privilege. Furthermore, God , even though having the capacity to foreknow the outcome of an event, can use such ability at his own discretion. Just as he is able to use his physical power to his discretion (i.e. he is not always playing at 'volume 11', but can chose to guage his capacity as he sees fit ). Case in point, he tells Caine 'what you are scheming is not right...change your ways, and gain favor'etc (genesis 3 ithink). In that example God can see the eventuallity of a particular course but yet gives Caine an opportunity to change, and correct himself. Caine is not predestined to kill his brother, he chooses to.Ok, I understand you now. I don't agree, but I get what your saying. Interesting.I butchered the hell out of that
Basically if God isn't all knowing I don't think that would disqualify God from being God just because mankind says he's all knowing.
Humans underestimate the power of free will.
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How did you end up atheist?
Was raised in a christian household, and baptized before I even knew what being baptized meant. I was devoted entirely to my religion, and went to church every Sunday and even attended a private Jesuit school for 2 years. Unfortunately, I've always been mad interested in science and astrology, and as I got older and smarter questions began to trump answers, and eventually I hit a point where I learned enough about the history of religion and the basics of science and physics to logically deduce the existence of an almighty being in the context humans put it is absurd. Furthermore, I believed that most people simply believed due to indoctrination; when you have your parents thrusting you into religion before you can even string a sentence together, by the time you throw that second digit into your age religion has already become you and by denying it you pretty much make yourself a black sheep. Even "converted" my older brother to atheism by sitting dude and having a long logical debate about religion, creation, etc. When you challenge people to really think about the universe, our existence, and everything that comprises that you begin to see the epic fail that is religion.
Will pass along this belief to your kids?
No. I'd allow my kid(s) to believe in whatever they want to believe.
Do you have an authority?
No.
Do you fear death? What are your fears?
No. Death is a natural part of life. I fear old age small enclosed spaces, and large *** insects.
What do you believe happens after you die?
You go back to what you were before you were conceived; nothing.
Do believe in life beyond earth?
Anyone who doesnt I can honestly say is ******ed. I can't even think of a analogy for how small and insignificant the Earth is in comparison to the universe.
Do you believe in any forces in action beyond human control?
So many I couldn't begin to name them.
In conclusion, I just see god as a cop out for our ignorance of the universe, our creation, and the forces at work all around us.
I think the worst thing people can do is attempt to explain who or what God is if one even exist.. Half the stuff they spout they really have no clue about.
"He exist outside of time, created everything, knows everything, and is and isnt everything" DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?
Was raised in a christian household, and baptized before I even knew what being baptized meant. I was devoted entirely to my religion, and went to church every Sunday and even attended a private Jesuit school for 2 years. Unfortunately, I've always been mad interested in science and astrology, and as I got older and smarter questions began to trump answers, and eventually I hit a point where I learned enough about the history of religion and the basics of science and physics to logically deduce the existence of an almighty being in the context humans put it is absurd. Furthermore, I believed that most people simply believed due to indoctrination; when you have your parents thrusting you into religion before you can even string a sentence together, by the time you throw that second digit into your age religion has already become you and by denying it you pretty much make yourself a black sheep. Even "converted" my older brother to atheism by sitting dude and having a long logical debate about religion, creation, etc. When you challenge people to really think about the universe, our existence, and everything that comprises that you begin to see the epic fail that is religion.
Will pass along this belief to your kids?
No. I'd allow my kid(s) to believe in whatever they want to believe.
Do you have an authority?
No.
Do you fear death? What are your fears?
No. Death is a natural part of life. I fear old age small enclosed spaces, and large *** insects.
What do you believe happens after you die?
You go back to what you were before you were conceived; nothing.
Do believe in life beyond earth?
Anyone who doesnt I can honestly say is ******ed. I can't even think of a analogy for how small and insignificant the Earth is in comparison to the universe.
Do you believe in any forces in action beyond human control?
So many I couldn't begin to name them.
In conclusion, I just see god as a cop out for our ignorance of the universe, our creation, and the forces at work all around us.
I think the worst thing people can do is attempt to explain who or what God is if one even exist.. Half the stuff they spout they really have no clue about.
"He exist outside of time, created everything, knows everything, and is and isnt everything" DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?
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Usually I'd preface all that by requiring you to define what GOD is and what GOD is capable of. If you're going to say we can't know what GOD is or isn't and that we don't know what GOD is capable of or not we really can't go anywhere from there.
If the unknowable being is unknowable even speculation is useless here.
No use in discussing it's merits.
See like this description to what GOD is. In this instance, in what I partially mentioned before GOD is either not sovereign or in this case completely arbitrary in ability.
I tend to lean towards ppl who claim GOD has superior logic. If that is the case it is pure folly in trying to rationalize GOD's actions and decisions.
Sayings things like there is no such thing as predestination is putting the cart before the horse since ppl can not reconcile two contradicting simultaneous possibilities. There's no validity in that statement unless you're willing to believe GOD is an all powerful being that chooses when and where to be all powerful thus allowing free will to exist and excluding the idea of predetermination.
It's one of the many reasons why I think GOD, or at least the many different versions of this alleged being, believed in by man and created by man is not actually real.
There might be a higher power and given the various accounts of it created by man it's more likely that if it actually exists, none of the claims about it made on Earth by man is correct and then it's possible that it didn't have a direct role in our continuous evolution, so it didn't directly give us anything. So it may not be concerned with our existence and thus free will or predetermination is what mankind is actually putting their faith in (those that believe in either, there are a few other options). Sorta how whether or not their is a meaning to life (given the knowledge we all currently possess) is really up to the individual to decide.
FTR, this is just the way I see it. I'm not stating facts. I find it better to state I have found a truth rather than declaring I have found the truth.
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How do you all take this quote? So anything that you are put through means God will get you through it? What if it is a failure? Does that mean he wanted you to fail?
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I've always been of the belief that in life **** happens and has nothing to do with God.
Seems to me that people want to feel like a special snowflake and claim that it was God's intention for them to go through tribulations as if the creator of existence itself has nothing better to do than to make Joe Nobody fight an eviction notice to make them a better person.
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I believe that God influences things and God allows things ( He could stop whatever, but he lets natural cause n effect take its course at times- prolly more often than not). By Him choosing when to intercede, that illudes to Him being in full control. But we still have free will. Because WE choose what WE feel based on OUR thoughts/ desires/ emotions/ experiences. Just because He already know what we decided, that doesn't take away our choice and chosen path in the decision.
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How did you end up atheist?
Raised Roman Catholic. Without going into details had lot of really tough times as a kid with my single mom and younger brother practically raising him. I no longer bought the whole trials were gods test stuff anymore so I stopped going to church after my step mother backed my move to no longer go if I didn't want to.
Will pass along this belief to your kids?
I will inform them of mutliple theories and beliefs along with my wife and they will be able to make their own decision.
Do you have an authority?
Define
Do you fear death?
No
What are your fears?
Spiders, clowns, being alone without my wife for the rest of my life.
What do you believe happens after you die?Do believe in life beyond earth?
We get stuck in a box and whatever residual energy left goes into some cosmic pool to be used for something that needs it. Our universe is to vast to believe we are the only beings inhabiting it.
Do you believe in any forces in action beyond human control?
I teeter totter on karmic balance depending on the day and my mood.
Raised Roman Catholic. Without going into details had lot of really tough times as a kid with my single mom and younger brother practically raising him. I no longer bought the whole trials were gods test stuff anymore so I stopped going to church after my step mother backed my move to no longer go if I didn't want to.
Will pass along this belief to your kids?
I will inform them of mutliple theories and beliefs along with my wife and they will be able to make their own decision.
Do you have an authority?
Define
Do you fear death?
No
What are your fears?
Spiders, clowns, being alone without my wife for the rest of my life.
What do you believe happens after you die?Do believe in life beyond earth?
We get stuck in a box and whatever residual energy left goes into some cosmic pool to be used for something that needs it. Our universe is to vast to believe we are the only beings inhabiting it.
Do you believe in any forces in action beyond human control?
I teeter totter on karmic balance depending on the day and my mood.
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Yea same here. Some days, I am a believer of it, others not so much. Not even sure I understand why I flip flop LOL
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anyone here know about quantum mechanics?
what if (like quantum theory) since we have no way of measuring "god", god both exists and doesnt exist at the same time
what if (like quantum theory) since we have no way of measuring "god", god both exists and doesnt exist at the same time
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why are people saying "believe in science"?
science is just a method to figure out how things work
the great thing about science (also what turns some people off about it) is that in science its fine to say "i dont know". what started the big bang, is there life on other planets, why is jadakiss as hard as it gets? all these questions have no answer at the moment (although there are theories). the reason i dont see a point in looking to religion for the answers is that the answer to these questions will just be "oh thats because god wanted it to be that way", 100 years from now, same answer. science on the other hand will slowly start to answer each of these questions as we make more breakthroughs and in 100 years we will look back at our understanding of the universe today and marvel at how we were able to survive in the "stone ages"
science is just a method to figure out how things work
the great thing about science (also what turns some people off about it) is that in science its fine to say "i dont know". what started the big bang, is there life on other planets, why is jadakiss as hard as it gets? all these questions have no answer at the moment (although there are theories). the reason i dont see a point in looking to religion for the answers is that the answer to these questions will just be "oh thats because god wanted it to be that way", 100 years from now, same answer. science on the other hand will slowly start to answer each of these questions as we make more breakthroughs and in 100 years we will look back at our understanding of the universe today and marvel at how we were able to survive in the "stone ages"
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wouldnt an atheist church be a school?
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1) Honestly, what really got me is when I considered that we have free will which basically allows us to do everything God points to as evil in the bible, which, since he gave it to us knowing what would happen, is like sitting a 2 year old near a power socket with a fork and waiting for the result. That was at 11...I've given the concept a lot more thought since then.
I'd call myself an agnostic who leans toward "no". I became this way starting in about 3rd grade when I started asking too many questions in Catholic school and not getting enough answers.
I always think about the fact that many children in Africa (for example) live lives of violence, suffering, hunger, AIDS and death and do no more or less to deserve it than children on other pieces of land. I think about how Ghandi never accepted Jesus and would, by Christianity standards, not be allowed in heaven. I think about the fact that Casey Anthony is a free woman. Life is just too unfair and ****** up to be under the close active watch of a benevolent and omnipotent guardian. I'm open to the presence of a supernatural force of some kind (ex. karma, or the capitalized Force), but the ultimate symbol of universal justice it is not.
2) I'll encourage critical independent thought in my child. The conclusions he will draw will be his own.
3) I do have an authority, and he's typing this. My mommy also retains significant influence.
4) I fear death because I enjoy life most of the time. My biggest fears include somebody using my biggest fears against me after reading them on an internet forum.
5) Everything I know for a fact tells me when anything dies, it simply ceases to function and its materials decay. Anything else would just be guessing since nobody's ever died permanently and lived to tell the tale.
6) Absolutely. We're a small planet orbiting a small, dim yellow star in a backwoods corner of a smallish galaxy containing millions of stars just like it. The galaxy itself is one of millions. I'm no mathlete, but the odds against another form of life somewhere in the vast expanses of our universe have to approach infinity. It's just arrogant to assume we're alone and oh so special in that type of environment.
7) I believe that in the same way that I believe the forces of nature were once beyond humanity's control. Electricity used to come down from the sky and kill people, now it's enabling me to have this conversation. I believe there are few limits to our understanding, and given enough time and opportunity, we could figure out what's behind pretty much anything.
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what would an atheist church teach other than science?
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proven doctrine, truths.... sound reasoning and ration...
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Dude must have had acid on his hands.
That or Jakes coincidentally had a mini-seizure
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An atheist church is like a basketball camp without the basketball.
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wouldn't that be more like regular church...aka something that isn't there...hasn't been there yet ppl pretend and think it exist.
Church is more like this...there is no ball, u cant see a ball, but u BELIEVE that a ball exist that only u and a select few ppl see, and even then between all of u don't see the ball looking the same.
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Let me know when you start seeing math. Math is also a human construct used to describe the world around us that cannot be proven to be real.
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