really good article about mj. An inside into why he seems so bitter

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not on either side of the debate, just want to make something clear about Cy Young cause I may be
the only one on this site that has studied his career in depth...

Cy Young's name was not chosen to be on the annual pitching award because of the 511 career wins as most assume.

Initially, MLB wanted to have two separate awards, one for each league, National & American.
They were to be named the Walter Johnson Award (AL) & the Christy Mathewson Award (NL.)
But that idea was too cluttered, they wanted an award with just one name attached...

because Cy Young played so long, and played in so many leagues - he was chosen to represent the award.
So the name attached would not favor either the NL or AL for years to come. Also, Cy commanded respect from everyone,
not because of his baseball prowess, but because he was a tough as nails, dependable, honest farmer. Even Ty Cobb had nothing but respect for him.
(Ty Cobb was the mentally disturbed HOF'er who once said Babe Ruth ran well for a fat man.) Yet Cy Young he was never thought to be
nearly as good as Johnson or Mathewson then or now.

But now that Cy's name has been on the award for so many years & one can look up his unbreakable 511 wins,
most (who don't know that much about Cy) think he was The God pitcher when that is not the case at all.

hope baseball fans appreciate this post - and Cy is one of my top favorites, as is WJ.
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Can you top seasons of 36-12, 35-10, 33-10, 32-11, etc.? Walter was better ERA wise but had 100 less wins in his career. The seasons of 1.xx ERA were incredible but it's not like either of these pitchers have the best ERA ever. It probably does come down to name recognition for Cy, I consider him the best pitcher ever but totally understand the WJ argument.
 
finnns2003 said:
Can you top seasons of 36-12, 35-10, 33-10, 32-11, etc.? Walter was better ERA wise but had 100 less wins in his career. The seasons of 1.xx ERA were incredible but it's not like either of these pitchers have the best ERA ever. It probably does come down to name recognition for Cy, I consider him the best pitcher ever but totally understand the WJ argument.
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it's not just an argument, stuff i referenced has been documented (that certain parties in control back then felt & said exactly like i put it)

and cy young's exact win total has been disputed
back then, there were a lot more liberties taken as to who got an official W on the books, sometimes the only evidence from some of those games are sports writer score cards

some of Cy Youngs wins were in relief for example & would not be defined as wins by the official rules of today's game, some would be saves

they got better about those things by the time WJ played

but you may have missed the point - which was that Cy Young best repped both the NL & AL (and that's the main reason for his selection) where as WJ only repped the AL, Mathewson NL exclusive


edit: I'll leave you with another piece of info I personally feel all baseball fans should know...

1911 is the year/season all three top winningest pitchers (Young, Johnson & awesome wino Alexander) played!
though there is no T206 Alexander (or The Monster would be complete as far as I'm concerned)
 
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dbl posts been happening a lot lately...i am one who never had this problem before
anyone else?

i could talk baseball all day, thanks for indulging me finns


back to jordan...
 
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freakydestroyer said:
Lebron would shut down Jordan One on one if they are both in their prime, let's be real.
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Team ball, Jordan > Lebron anyday.
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