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No America doesn't

Why do you think there's no problem with gun culture in the US?

Because I'm not a sheep and I actually own guns.

You saying America doesn't have a gun culture problem because you have a healthy relationship with guns.

Is like a white person saying America doesn't have a racism problem because they aren't racist themselves.

That is like bottom tier anecdotal evidence.
 
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No America doesn't

Why do you think there's no problem with gun culture in the US?

Because I'm not a sheep and I actually own guns.

You saying America doesn't have a gun culture problem because your have a healthy relationship with guns.

Is like a white person saying America doesn't have a racism problem because they aren't racist themselves.

That is like bottom tier anecdotal evidence.


How can you prove a country has a "gun culture" problem?
 
How can you prove a country has a "gun culture" problem?
Look at the political responses to gun problems and that of the people. Compare it to other countries.
I always bring up Switzerland in these debates because it's the proof of a healthy functioning gun culture. Switzerland has the second highest amount of guns per capita of wealthy nations. Mass shootings there are extremely rare despite the massive amount of guns in rotation.

Edit: Banning guns obviously isn't an option for the US. What the US can do is put more focus on mental health, make background and psychological screening to acquire a firearm far more strict and gradually make progress towards a healthier gun culture. Less fear mongering (constantly being told you "need" guns) and much more public education about firearms from an early age like they do in Switzerland.
The key to success is looking at the closest comparable country. Analyze why Switzerland's gun culture works and how they keep it that way.
This is all hypothetical of course. US gun culture is so toxic that time and again, any sort of opposition to guns is immediately shut down. There is no progressive dialogue, only stubborn standoffs.
 
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Of course it's not literal... I am making a point that it's not that easy to buy a gun in America.

France should be the last country to criticize the US. Their basically under siege there not only from Islamic terrorists but also from the whiny babies protesting and crying about 35 hour work weeks! :lol

I bought a gun on my lunch break and still had time to wait in the Chickfila drivethrough after.
 
You saying America doesn't have a gun culture problem because your have a healthy relationship with guns.

Is like a white person saying America doesn't have a racism problem because they aren't racist themselves.

That is like bottom tier anecdotal evidence.
A++ analogy.
 
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How about the when people irrationally buy guns and ammo everytime their is a mass shooting or the president talks about gun control laws, or when he got reelected because they believe a gun ban is around the corner.

And this happens repeatedly.

Or how about that people speak or freedom, yet will harrass, and make death threats against gun store owners that sell smart guns.

Or the amount of gun deaths that involve lil kids getting to a gun.

Or that people take make videos with them walking around with rifles in public places, even privately own business, just to they can rustle folk or get in a altercation with the police.

I could go on...
 
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Saying America has a gun culture problem due to mass shootings is like saying Black America has culture problem because of the amount Black people in prison.
 
Ummm actually, yes it does.

The saying you're looking for is "correlation doesn't nesscary mean causation"

It most definitely implies it though.
 
Ummm actually, yes it does.

The saying you're looking for is "correlation doesn't nesscary mean causation"

It most definitely implies it though.

Are you a statistician or having you every run an experiment where you had to prove the data you collected was statically significant?

Correlation does not imply causation is literally out of the text book.
 
US gun culture is so toxic that time and again, any sort of opposition to guns is immediately shut down. There is no progressive dialogue, only stubborn standoffs.

All you have to do to understand how toxic the US gun culture is to look at our President (past, present and probably future). I find it ironic that our President... you know the Nobel Peace Prize guy... went to Vietnam just last month to sell weapons. He has no problem supplying deadly weapons to a Communist country but when it comes to the US, he wants to make it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase guns because he doesn't want us to hurt one another even though there are already over 300 million guns in circulation in the US.

Just look at ISIS today... That's not a Russian AK-47... that's a US made fully automatic M-16 assault rifle.

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US gun culture starts from the top and the citizens are simply following along. It's been this way since....
 
To touch on the comments about guns being easy to obtain in America.

I can purchase an 80% AR-15 right now, mill out the center of the lower receiver and essentially build by own gun, without registering it at all. 100% legal to build your own gun in Cali as long as it's a gun that has already been "invented" and acknowledged as a weapon and as long as you stick to the guidelines ( can't be automatic, can't have anything lower than a 10 inch barrel etc).

And I'm 100% okay with those laws remaining that way.
 
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"According to state and federal law, something is either a firearm or it isn’t. In California, all a hobbyist has to do is drill a few holes into an aluminum lower, add a few parts, and they have an AR15. We will join a California gun enthusiast to learn how to make a DIY AR15. The cost of parts, tools, and blank lowers= $500. Having a legal AR without a serial number?....Priceless."
 
Ummm actually, yes it does.

The saying you're looking for is "correlation doesn't nesscary mean causation"

It most definitely implies it though.

Are you a statistician or having you every run an experiment where you had to prove the data you collected was statically significant?

Correlation does not imply causation is literally out of the text book.

-So you're talking statistical terms now? Yes, then that phrase appears, as a quip, when mainly discussing regression analysis. But it is to drive home the point that regressions are are at their core are mathmatical operations. Yes they try to shed some light on real world phenomena, but all regression should be take with a grain of salt and it must be remembered that they are showing correlations not A results in casuing B. The is no single regression that economist, statisticians or scientist present as proof that one thing causes the other

For example if say I were looking at the between ice cream sales per week and murders per week for an urban city. And I made the number of murder the dependent variable and ice sales the sole explanatory variable. I hit run in STATA, R, or whatever and I will probably get a regression with a high R, high R-squared, also the coefficient on murders would probably be statistically significant.

The regression is telling me the two variables are highly correlated, imply/suggesting that ice cream sales and murders are linked, and someone to falsely conclude that eating ice cream makes people want to commit murder. However, I know that they are probably (really definitely) not directly linked, or that one is dependent on the other. It is the weather that is indirectly linking them.

A similar thing actually happen with Polio and ice cream, because both ice cream sales and polio infections spike during warmer months, some scientist thought ice cream consumption was correlated with Polio .

I actually work as a Economic Analyst/Econometrician, so I know how dangerous it can be blindly trusting the result of a regression.

-Looking at the comment not through the lenses of statistics, really the key work here is "implies", which really means it suggest it. Yes, the suggestion might be wrong, but if two things are happening at the same time (which would look like it has a linear correlation on a scatterplot) that implies there must be a link. With America, you have countries with lots of guns not seeing the same things happen. If guns don't kill people, people kill people, then it is a fair question to ask what is wrong with our people. And here it seems that "mental health" is pushed to not have that conversation about America's relationship with guns, as a country.

In science, all kinds, that is why peer review, replication studies, and alternative studies are so important. To strengthen the argument towards causation or to provide more context that weakens the previously suggested correlation.

I can tear the black culture argument apart in seconds. The arguments dealing with America's gun violence are much more nuanced.

So maybe people should be open to more studies into gun violence (which the NRA is against, of course), and not dismiss people on the other side of the argument as sheep.
 
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France with their bad satires. I went to the library yesterday.. easy access to books, internet, publications, etc.

If I want to buy a handgun in California... I need to be 21, have $, a valid id, a 10 day waiting period, background check, firearm certificate and perform a safe handling demonstration.

Yeah ok with the easily accessible bull.

Get out your bubble, we talkin America and you talkin Cali.

Most states aren't that strict.

Its very easy to cop a gun in America.

Hell some shops even have lay away plans.




"According to state and federal law, something is either a firearm or it isn’t. In California, all a hobbyist has to do is drill a few holes into an aluminum lower, add a few parts, and they have an AR15. We will join a California gun enthusiast to learn how to make a DIY AR15. The cost of parts, tools, and blank lowers= $500. Having a legal AR without a serial number?....Priceless."


That's a god damn shame. :{
 
No America doesn't

Why do you think there's no problem with gun culture in the US?

Because I'm not a sheep and I actually own guns.

You saying America doesn't have a gun culture problem because your have a healthy relationship with guns.

Is like a white person saying America doesn't have a racism problem because they aren't racist themselves.

That is like bottom tier anecdotal evidence.


How can you prove a country has a "gun culture" problem?

Your own damn unwillingness to even discuss is a pretty good indicator. I still don't understand the problem with being a responsible gun owner yourself, but want better control to curb the irresponsible.


It's crazy, dudes turn into straight dummies, thytkerguns!
 
Because I'm not a sheep and I actually own guns.

I actually own guns and think we have a problem in this country.

Isn't that really not being a sheep?

I think we have a problem within the context of education about firearms.

I think firearms are stigmatized as are firearms owners.

Statistically speaking I don't believe given the amount of guns and gun owners we have in this country there is any legislation that can passed that is going to change mass killings.
 
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