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SpoilerOriginally Posted by IncredibleEv
^^ lady in cave is a hallucination...talkin about nazi experiments that werent happening and *+@@. i thought the fire between them as they spoke was great symbolism
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I peeped that too I was like......what? Imaginary cup?? Wait but there's the cup....Originally Posted by recycledpaper
SPOILER!
the reason why i believe he was actually a patient and that everything was acted out to fulfill his treatment plan was because during the interrogation with the axe-lady, when chuck brought back the water glass and she drank from it, there is a second or two where it shows her holding NOTHING but still making the drinking motion. but the scene right after that (leo's point of view) it shows a glass of water on the table.
saw that too, i asked my girl did she even drink from the cup
on point. i didn't notice the bright lights being the realization of what he did.Originally Posted by LuckyP90
SpoilerOriginally Posted by IncredibleEv
^^ lady in cave is a hallucination...talkin about nazi experiments that werent happening and *+@@. i thought the fire between them as they spoke was great symbolism
Just saw it a couple hrs ago. I was wondering what the significance of the fire,water,and smoke was. I know early on in the film he said something about how his "wife didnt die from the fire, it was the smoke and thats the worst way" or something. Also in one of the scenes with the Ben Kingsley when he and Leo were speaking there was alot of smoke in the screen in front of Kingsleys face. And maybe the lighthouse relates to all the symbolism with smoke as well? I thought maybe the smoke was just the lie/deception they were playing on Leos character and the lighthouse represents the clearing of the smoke/mind.
Originally Posted by SuperAntigen
Ehhh...saw the movie last night and y'all are hyping it wayyyy too much.
That said, imo, Teddy was NOT crazy...there's enough evidence in the final scene that suggests so.
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I thought it was he WAS crazy, but by the end he wasn't. The treatment actually worked.Originally Posted by xblker47
Originally Posted by SuperAntigen
Ehhh...saw the movie last night and y'all are hyping it wayyyy too much.
That said, imo, Teddy was NOT crazy...there's enough evidence in the final scene that suggests so.
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I was thinkin the same thing, that it turned out he really wasnt crazy.
this.Originally Posted by Hizzle
THIS WHOLE THING IS A SPOILER.
My whole take of the ending was that Teddy was in fact crazy. The whole thing about his wife killing their children and then him killing his wife because she killed the children was true. He mentioned how his wife had a mental illness and by not helping her, he actually indirectly aided his wife in killing his own children. He was then cured for the second time in the movie (the doctor told him of the time he was cured 9 months before, but relapsed).
Now that he has been cured, at the end it's made to seem that he has relapsed back again when his doctor comes up to him at the steps and he goes into the delusional role of a Federal Marshal again. But then he says the quote along the lines of "I'd rather die a good man than live a monster." This tells you that he's still aware of the truth, but now even though he's cured, he can't live knowing he aided in killing his children and killing his wife (this would be living as a monster) so he would rather get the lobotomy to erase his memory (this would be symbolism for death and with no recollection of the past he has a clean slate to be a good person).
Also, if you remember how the guards were on edge in the beginning of the movie, this would make sense because Teddy was one of their most dangerous patients and was essentially free to do whatever he wanted.
yep. the last 2 minutes was perfect. when he started talking crazy again on the steps and his doc telling the people he wasn't cured. everyone in the theater was like damn he was almost there. then when he says that line about being a monster. I was likeOriginally Posted by rayray3thousand
^^ his doc did, as he walked away (in my opinion)
I read the fire between them as a kind of caution or warning...that there is something *off* about this conversation. The fire and smoke are all choices by the director to add mystery and style to the picture. Scorsese more than most directors treats films as "motion pictures" and really tries to create interesting frames and shots that can be read multiple ways. This goes for all or most of his films.Originally Posted by LuckyP90
SpoilerOriginally Posted by IncredibleEv
^^ lady in cave is a hallucination...talkin about nazi experiments that werent happening and *+@@. i thought the fire between them as they spoke was great symbolism
Just saw it a couple hrs ago. I was wondering what the significance of the fire,water,and smoke was. I know early on in the film he said something about how his "wife didnt die from the fire, it was the smoke and thats the worst way" or something. Also in one of the scenes with the Ben Kingsley when he and Leo were speaking there was alot of smoke in the screen in front of Kingsleys face. And maybe the lighthouse relates to all the symbolism with smoke as well? I thought maybe the smoke was just the lie/deception they were playing on Leos character and the lighthouse represents the clearing of the smoke/mind. Like the crazy lady in the cave said how they were trying to erase their mind. And also when he would have those headaches and bright flashes its kind of like the lighthouse shining on him which could be seen as him having a difficult time retracting certain memories because of the experiment they did in the lighthouse. But then again that was pretty early so maybe not unless they already did the experiment prior to that. Also didnt that crazy patient at the staircase talk about the nuclear bomb or something and how its so much worse because it implodes, which can be looked at as Leos character being destroyed from the inside out? And then the "dont you get it your a rat in a maze" and all those rats coming out of the crevice tied to that little cave with the crazy lady, i dont get what exactly that meant.
Originally Posted by xblker47
How did he know about the ice pick though? The character that told him about it wasnt real though??