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I listen to at least 25 hours of news while driving my truck every day and can tell you, first hand, that socialism is BAD.
Socialism
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While also being a foremost expert on da hip hop intelligencia which requires at least another 8 hours a day
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People who cite the USSR and nazi Germany as example of socialist regimes do not have a fully fleshed out view on political ideologies and their core principles. Equality is one of the core principles of socialism and I think it’s safe to say the USSR and nazi Germany didn’t give a **** about equality and if you abandon one of a core principles of an ideology it’s fair to say you don’t actual represent that ideology but using it as a mask to achieve whatever your true goals may be. A modern example North Korea calls themselves the democratic people’s Republic of Korea. I don’t see people out here going see democracy or a democratic republic is bad cause look at north korea. In the same way North Korea does not truly represent a democratic republic or democracy the USSR and Nazi germany do not represent socialism
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People are free to make as much as they want, but they shouldn't pay tax at the same rate as someone making $40K a year. You can't have a progressive tax system and have it not be progressive.
Repeat after me. Spending US tax dollars on US individuals is not socialism.
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IIRC, my senior year in HS was the first time we got that week off during Presidents day and it was because we started school a week earlier. So they added a 1 week break between winter break and spring break.
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it is when you can't pay for it and it tanks you're economy.
reply to me when you get hard concrete numbers on Bernie Sanders Medicare for all plan compounded with green New deal and compounded with eliminating student loan debt and compounded with free college....
then see how much is da entire US economy...
there's a reason socialist want to take away your guns, because once they figure out that they have to essentially confiscate private property and wealth to pay for da soaring rhetoric & platitudes they want to be able to do it with a public that isn't armed to defend their property.
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when you go full left it gets scary folks.... socialism kills everywhere its implemented.
"Nordic economies" aren't socialist... they would tell you that themselves.
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guess you never seen what happened to Venezuela or Cuba or German Jews.
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There’s literally a Socialist Rifle Association
American socialists believe in the rights of the oppressed to defend themselves
American socialists believe in the rights of the oppressed to defend themselves
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when you go full left it gets scary folks.... socialism kills everywhere its implemented.
"Nordic economies" aren't socialist... they would tell you that themselves.
you didn’t address a single point I just said. And once again you’re proving the point you have no idea what socialism is.“Full left” isn’t socialism and those examples you gave in practice where not truly socialist regimes
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There are plenty of ways to insure individuals beyond the plans that are being proposed by Bernie, and by all accounts, republicans think any version of health insurance is socialism. It isn't. Warren's plan is close to being as aggressive as Bernie's, but she has actual laid out a plan to pay for most of it over a 10 year window and its not all tax increases. A lot of it involves regulating pharmaceutical industries and putting a cap on drug costs.
But providing health care can either range from $4T on the low end over a decade to a plan like Bernie's that is $25T-$35T. Currently we spend $1T a year on military spending. Of that amount, $175B was earmarked to bomb people in the middle east. Defense spending has doubled since 2004 and what do we really have to show for it?
No one wants to take away guns, but most people agree that no one needs an automatic rifle.
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when you go full left it gets scary folks.... socialism kills everywhere its implemented.
"Nordic economies" aren't socialist... they would tell you that themselves.
THIS IS THE POINT. Providing healthcare and education (things we have been providing to certain groups for years) is not socialism
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the word socialism is almost meaningless today, it's been applied to so many things. true socialism still comes down to government ownership of productive resources, the nationalization of industries, banks, etc. the kind that suddenly devalues or expropriates large swaths of capital
the Bernies of the world aren't advocating for that. what they're asking for is a fair deal for the breadth of our society, delivered through effective governmental management of the economy
free market capitalism coupled with New Deal era high marginal tax rates, universal healthcare and education, ending prison privatization, etc.
only in America could trying to disengage from the status quo of campaign finance corruption, universal health care, progressive tax plans, and begin basing policy on the needs of voters, not donors be considered radical leftist ideas
linking those moderate, rational, and exceedingly popular policies with the far left is a strategy invented by Roger Ailes to color any policy to the left of the Republican Party as radical
the Bernies of the world aren't advocating for that. what they're asking for is a fair deal for the breadth of our society, delivered through effective governmental management of the economy
free market capitalism coupled with New Deal era high marginal tax rates, universal healthcare and education, ending prison privatization, etc.
only in America could trying to disengage from the status quo of campaign finance corruption, universal health care, progressive tax plans, and begin basing policy on the needs of voters, not donors be considered radical leftist ideas
linking those moderate, rational, and exceedingly popular policies with the far left is a strategy invented by Roger Ailes to color any policy to the left of the Republican Party as radical
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really b?
we had 2 waves of "red scare"
Cuban missile crisis..
World War II & I
Cold War...
Reagan's entire foreign policy was seeking out communism/socialism and snuffing it out.
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you could argue there aren’t any real socialists left and that we’ve never seen a true socialist state. Most people are democratic socialist which is just centered around not eliminating or moving beyond capitalism but working with it to regulate it and make it as ethical as possible. For some reason it’s incredibly hard for some people to understand this clear distinction.
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taking over private industry is Socialism, that's what Bernie & his ilk are demanding we do.
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There will always be private insurance, that is a guarantee. In every other country with centralized insurance people still have the option for coverage in the Public sector
I can tell from speaking with you right now, that you would likely stand to benefit much more from “socialism” than the current capitalistic system we have now
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Ask me why I support any move to the left on healthcare.
I got hit with a $900 bill on prescription drugs at Walgreens because they couldn't pull my insurance info. Went back the next day with my card, and the bill dropped to $90.
Another time, I rushed to the ER (the closest to my apartment at the time) for chest pain. A cup of water, a pill, and an X-ray later (that showed nothing), I was billed 5k. I had insurance, I was in college, and none of that **** was covered.
No wonder people would rather drop dead and pass whatever assets they have to their beneficiaries than get cured and face debt/bankruptcy.
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I need you to look up how many different forms of socialism exist
your argument is that older people don’t support socialism because of that experience. but it’s the young people who are uneducated?
to further drive home the point, veterans who are serviced by the VA are literally benefitting from socialism. they fought against communist and socialist empires only to benefit from socialized healthcare.
while I do not agree with everything Bernie says, to argue that socialism is bad because of his policies and ideas is just disingenuous.
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not under medicare for all.
it would essentially be banned either legislatively or would be so unprofitable because of taxes it would crumble to dust.
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there is only one form of Socialism... all that vanity dressing and playing around with da words is just euphemisms to hide and make it more palatable.
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Thread reminds me of that time Steven Crowder got wrecked by some college kid and ended the conversation because he was losing the debate
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that’s like saying there’s only one form of capitalism, or one form of conservative. fundamentally wrong. if there’s only one form, how are we using socialized ideology for medicine for vets yet we don’t live in Nazi Germany?
you’re not arguing in fact so I’ll disengage. have a good day though.
