Socialism

[getback]

versus being a socialist country where marginalized people is everyone..

Why do the alt-right always assume that people who advocate for CERTAIN tailored socialist policies want to turn this bish into North Korea?

Right on cue.

 

[junglejim]

we did that, guess what companies did? they left.

We raised federal corporate taxes? Interesting, that's a new one to me since the rate was 35% from 1986 up until 2018.

 

[heelsandeers]

Bernie isn't campaigning on turning the economy on its head. he's talking about changing the way one part of one industry is organized (a large part of that industry is already Medicare). get back to me when he talks about nationalizing manufacturing or anything like that

the "radical" elements of his plans are: 1) implementing a health care system like the ones that work in Europe; 2) raising the minimum wage; 3) free college tuition

the third is undoubtedly an improvement over our current system and we know this from our experience with the GI Bill. cheap higher education is a great thing for the U.S

I'm opposed to a $15 minimum wage but it isn't going to re-organize the economy - and anyway, Congress absolutely will put in ways for low-cost localities to opt out (because there are too many Dem representatives who would get crushed if their hometown job markets crashed)

and 1) isn't going to happen and if it does, it will be a modest improvement over our current dysfunctional system

 

[getback]

newsflash genius you don't have to be a socialist to achieve that

Right, because the other methods have been proven to be abundantly successful.

Trump really knocked it out the park with his new health bill

 

[keko jones]

Brah, this thread is hilarious.

Yeap ..
We are arguing with google articles being poorly articulated by Ninja and when asked questions outside the scope of the article and google search is delivering no results found ... well yeah is hilarious, especially seeing Ninja insult people and using the synonyms option to turn basic words into fancy ones in order to make it seems like he is intelligent. LoL

 

[keko jones]

newsflash genius you don't have to be a socialist to achieve that

Newsflash .... that's what MFers have been saying all this time. Like wTF????

 

[ninjahood]

Please lay out the republican plan for healthcare and education

keep that same energy when Bernie is ripped to shreds by his own rivals saying da same ish

 

[junglejim]

keep that same energy when Bernie is ripped to shreds by his own rivals saying da same ish

by republicans who don't have a healthcare or education proposal?

Fun fact, up until 1986 we were a completely free society with no "socialism". The highest marginal individual tax rate was 50% and the highest corporate rate was 50%. Reagan came in and dropped it down to 35% for corporations and 32% for individuals.

Fast forward to 2020, bernie basically wants to propose the same tax rates (highest marginal rate of 52% for individuals and 35% for corporations). Somehow we lived from 1913-1986 at rates like this and were a completely free, capitalistic society with a more fair, balanced system between the ultra rich and the poor. Fast forward to today, and that same thing we did for 75 ****ing years as a "capitalistic" society is now socialism. This is republican logic in a nutshell. If you arent spending a trillion dollars a year on defense spending then you are promoting "socialism".

 

[getback]

keep that same energy when Bernie is ripped to shreds by his own rivals saying da same ish

Translation A: I can't.
or
Translation B: They don't have one.

Almost 4 years into it

 

[getback]

by republicans who don't have a healthcare or education proposal?

 

[ninjahood]

by democrats who let Bernie's pie in da sky healthcare & free college plan gaslight all da 18 year olds.

yup, 8pm tonight... gonna be fun.

 

[getback]

I think I'd rather at least be gaslit by actual programs than by a....wall.

 

[cosmiccoffee9]

idk man, for me the measure of a nation's wealth is not the standard of living at the top, it's what you can expect with a less lucky draw in the Birth Circumstances lottery...how bad does life suck if you're not rich?

Spoiler: Ad Hominem Argument Ammo

I'm a glorified mascot, true, but growing up my parents always had real jobs.

oh yes, my bookkeeping mommy and salesman pop spent decades adulting traditionally, combining their incomes to have just enough for all of us to eat each day, live inside, and maybe have cable from time to time.

so when people ask why I followed this unsteady freelance path, how I can just take this huge gamble with my life and deal with the constant uncertainty in the interim, it's because in The Land of Opportunity, not even the "sure things" are sure things any more...and they might have never been.

capitalism can be a sound, meritocratic system if (ever) properly managed, but I look at stuff like this:

Almost half of all Americans work in low-wage jobs

The low-wage workforce is part of every local U.S. economy, but it takes the biggest toll in the South and West.

www.cbsnews.com

-Almost half of U.S. workers between ages 18 to 64 are employed in low-wage jobs, the Brookings Institution found.
-Low-wage jobs are pervasive, representing between one-third to two-thirds of all jobs in the country's almost 400 metropolitan areas.
-Smaller cities in the South and West tend to have the highest share, such as Las Cruces, New Mexico, and Jacksonville, North Carolina, where more than 6 in 10 workers are in low-wage work.

...and I wonder just how great a nation is when a large percentage of people that live there are part-time taxi hacks, leasing out their actual homes to travelers, or paying their rent 40 roses at a time because poor.

something is askew.

 

[ninjahood]

. Somehow we lived from 1913-1986 at rates like this and were a completely free,

great depression? gold standard? apples and watermelons b.

imagine advocating for da green new deal (a socialist scheme at birth) running a petro dollar

 

[ninjahood]

I think I'd rather at least be gaslit by actual programs than by a....wall.

let's see what has a better chance of passing ...
a 94 trillion dollar plan that's bigger than da US economy or a wall.....

 

[junglejim]

great depression? gold standard? apples and watermelons b.

imagine advocating for da green new deal (a socialist scheme at birth) running a petro dollar

Imagine thinking the great depression happened in 1985

Its funny because much of the green new deal came as a result of studies performed by Exxon Mobile scientist in the 1970s as ways to cut carbon emissions.

 

[getback]

let's see what has a better chance of passing ...
a 94 trillion dollar plan that's bigger than da US economy or a wall.....

 

[gry60]

Ninja resembles a lot of Americans that never been anywhere because nowhere is betta than Murica.

You don't have to go anywhere to learn about the world.

That's why books exist.

 

[gry60]

Real business spending has declined each of the last three quarters despite the fact that we injected $1T into businesses, but continue

The largest trucking company in the US declared bankruptcy late last year, leaving its drivers out in the cold.

If a simple definition of the economy is the exchange of goods and services, the slowing down of the exchange of goods for money (to the point that truckers are getting laid off and trucking companies are closing) should let you know the economy is not doing that well.

 

[boris]

Brah, this thread is hilarious.

ninja mindlessly spewing right wing propaganda as always.

 

[va757va]

You don't have to go anywhere to learn about the world.

That's why books exist.

Real life experience always varies from the book description... there’s always nuances the book can’t cover...

Think of it like you got a new job, you go thru weeks of training, you think you know it, then you hit the floor and get into a situation that makes you freeze... you find yourself in a situation the text book couldn’t explain thoroughly...

Experience and book learning can be two sides to the same coin and usually benefit one another...

read the pathless path by osho, it’s a great book on the topic of book learning vs real life application...

 

[boris]

A friendly reminder that people like ninja support socialist policies when it benefits them. See: rent controlled apartment.

 

[junglejim]

The largest trucking company in the US declared bankruptcy late last year, leaving its drivers out in the cold.

If a simple definition of the economy is the exchange of goods and services, the slowing down of the exchange of goods for money (to the point that truckers are getting laid off and trucking companies are closing) should let you know the economy is not doing that well.

You don't have to look far past the manufacturing industry to realize that the current stock market rally is being propped up by artificially low interest rates which are causing investors to shift from the debt market to equities. Corporate spending has declined for 3 straight quarters, manufacturing output has declined for 3 straight quarters, the corporate bond yield curve has inverted multiple times over the last 6 months.

It doesn't take a genius to look at this and realize where **** is heading

 

[ninjahood]

Imagine thinking the great depression happened in 1985

imagine not understanding jotting down events between a span of time...

BUh bUH SoCIALisM! that's how you kiddies do it right?

 

[junglejim]

imagine not understanding jotting down events between a span of time...

BUh bUH SoCIALisM! that's how you kiddies do it right?

You just said having 50% individual and corporate rates in 1985 was different than having 52% individual rates and 35% corporate rates in 2020 because of the great depression and being on the gold standard. Both events which preceded these rates by decade(s). Think of what you just said. Lets just ignore the fact that we had a 35% corporate rate until 2018 and just contemplate the stupidity of the argument you just made.

Then before you post again, think more about how you keep trying to talk about things you have zero knowledge about.

Then go read a book.