Sons of Anarchy Season 7 Thread | EP. 13 "Papa's Goods" 12/9 SERIES FINALE

[cashbanks]

Oh Robocop definitely sold them out, that was obvious when he shot his mans, but that cant be the rat sutter has been waiting to expose that would be a big let down, actually on second thought that's probably exactly what will happen.

 

[Ube]

chuck I could see but tig? Why and what would he have to gain?

I can see Tig.

What would chuckee have to gain by being the rat?

I don't accept that

I would say chuck because remember how in the other episodes he asked gemma something about being in the club or wanting to be in and she said no I could see him being hurt. Also when he used to be with Lin and his crew he snitched on them so I could see history being repeated. Idk just what I'm thinking. But also Robocop got me looking at him sideways for his actions this season.

 

[Meangene45]

I'm still betting on Robocop.

That would be a little of a let down but it is probably him.

 

[solexsup]

Im hoping it's not chuckie I like him

I thought today was Tuesday

 

[ozarkshark]

It's going downnnnn

 

[Mark Antony]

Sutter got 3 eps to redeem himself.

 

[Meangene45]

Looking forward for the episode tonight.

 

[hometownhero]

The Actor that plays Abel gets about 5 lines an episode. How much acting skill can one show with such few lines.

enough to not me think he is reading his lines that someone wrote on his hands. 

You guys think Jax will kill Gemma?

almost think she'll kill him first but they'll probably let Abel do it

Based on this synopsis for next weeks episode("The SOA organization bears down on SAMCRO; Jax comes face to face with an ugly truth." ) I think I can shoot for how this show is going to end. SOA(the club) either disbands SAMCRO as a charter or something close to it because of what Jax did to Jury as in the series finale there are pics of Jax without the president patch as he rides on his bike which leads me to believe this is true.

In regards to Gemma I believe that that old homless lady that Sutter kept showing over the seasons was just a foreshadowing of Gemma. Gemma is always talking about family but she is the one that ruined it(with all the people she has a hand in killing that are part of her "family"). So I think the final blow to Gemma is not to kill her but for her to lose everyone in her family completely: SAMCRO, Jax to die, either by the hands of SOA or killing himself like Jury said JT did( I mean if jax dies its only right SOA kills him and not anyone else IMO), the kids go with Wendy and Unser. Nero dips and Gemma is homeless(well in the sense she doesn't have a family).

Now this is all pure speculation, does anyone think this could be a possibility?

some of it, the Gemma part mostly. don't think Jax will die

No way Chucky is the rat. 

other good shows on fx?

 

[jrunner]

what if the rat is happy  lol jk    can't wait for tonight

 

[thadangerousmind]

He could be. A rat took down the Hell's Angels and he is a confirmed member.

 

[big1236]

enough to not me think he is reading his lines that someone wrote on his hands. 
almost think she'll kill him first but they'll probably let Abel do it
some of it, the Gemma part mostly. don't think Jax will die



No way Chucky is the rat. 



other good shows on fx?

a show I liked was TYRANT... check it out....

 

[Mark Antony]

what if the rat is happy  lol jk    can't wait for tonight

You just made me believe it actually is.

 

[hand2handking]

happy snitched cuz he was mad his mom never got the pills from the piney or the treatment the club promised for her when he joined 

 

[Mark Antony]

Or maybe he was feds the whole time.

 

[hand2handking]

whatever happened to this guy:

and what if she came back to bring it full circle:

 

[lver of jordan]

YO it's really Tuesday already? SHESSSH

Tonight tho

 

[proshares]

whatever happened to this guy:

and what if she came back to bring it full circle:

I always wondered what happened to him after he got shot

I was thinking about Tully double crossing Jax and ******* Zobelle making a reappearance...but he was a rat so I doubt they'd be using him.

 

[brinknows]

ITS GOING DOWN

 

[coldcity]

heads gon roll....literally

 

[had pants]

Fyi for tonight, 10:00pm - 12:30pm including Anarchy Afterword with Juice, Wendy, Nero and Sutter hosted by Kevin Ryder.

Don't even know what to expect. Time to go hood, sister.

 

[coldcity]

Moses Cartwright is dead, but vengeance-minded August Marks is not. Nero’s about to move away, SAMCRO is down to a precious few members still standing, Abel is melting down in a way no one in the Teller crew understands, and, oh yeah, Jax’s pint-sized son just told him Gemma killed Tara. And there are only three episodes remaining for Sons of Anarchy creator Kurt Sutter and his cast and crew to tie up these, and several more, storylines.

Yahoo TV talked to SOA executive producer/director Paris Barclay about last week's crazy Abel scenes, as well as the randy opening montage and the emotional Tig and Venus affair. He also gave us some hints about what to expect along the way to the finale. Juice fans, it’s not going to be pretty.

There were several intense scenes with Abel last week. Which was the most difficult to film?
I think the one in the school, with Courtney Love and the principal, was really the toughest, because we wanted him not to look at people, not to look at his father. When [actors Evan and Ryder Londo] actually had to do it, it was very, very difficult. To actually convince him to keep his focus on Courtney — and she was great just coaching him through it, helping him to take his time saying “Grandma” — that was tough for him, because he didn’t really understand what the scene was about, because you can’t really explain it to a child like that. So just to get him to do the actions that we needed him to do without explaining why was difficult, but he came through like a trouper.

And the end was tough — though it was easier for him, actually. After we’d already finished Charlie [Hunnam’s] coverage, I just talked him through it, repeated the last line, then he repeated it after me, and Charlie helped him keep his focus on Charlie when he was doing it and not on me off-camera. I think it took us three takes.


The scene where he goes into the bathroom stall was also really intense. He was so methodical, and he looked like such a mini-Charlie in his little white T-shirt. How was that scene to film?
Yeah, that did take a little bit of time. With a child, he can’t go through this whole action at once. We had to do it in pieces. We had to have him come in the room. We had to have him hang up his shirt. Then we had to have him sit down and pick up the lunch box and talk him through each movement of it.

We put the things where they needed to be so he could just really react to it. We tucked the fork under his Thermos, so he would have to move his Thermos, and I told him to do it very, very slowly: “Now just pick up the fork and just look at it.” It plays exactly as we wanted it to, which is to make you wonder, What is he going to do with that fork? What is the next move? Some people thought he might actually have a weapon in there. And some people noticed that yes, he does have a plastic lunch box now.


The opening montage, the eight different sex scenes …
Oh, yes. The f--ktage, as we call it.

Actors always talk about those scenes being the most uncomfortable to film, and you had to do eight of them for that one montage. Were any of them more difficult than the others to film?
Yes. It was very difficult to figure out how Tig and Venus were going to have sex and how that was going to be credible. That was probably the trickiest one. We had to just jumble some positions and see what actually made sense. Each of [the scenes] in the script had a little word characterizing what the mood of it was — "playful," "distant." We really wanted it not just to be about sexiness for sexiness's sake, but to tell us where the characters are.

Obviously, Jax and Winsome, that’s a big deal. There’s certainly a percentage of people, because I’ve gotten some Twitter comments, who were just appalled that he would have sex after Tara is just barely cold in the grave. I have to keep reminding them that he had sex [with someone else] when Tara was walking around the house. I mean, yeah, he should honor her memory and all, but he is a killer, leading this gang of fairly amoral people. It shouldn’t surprise you too much that he would have some sex when he’s going through all this incredible tension.


The Venus and Tig scene at the end was maybe the most honest relationship moment in the whole series. How emotional was that to film?
It was very, very tough to film because we love it so much; we just didn’t want to mess it up. When we did the first read-through, everyone responded in such a hushed and reverent manner to just the reading of it, just the lines... we knew that we had something great. [When we filmed it,] the entire crew applauded for at least two minutes. I mean, literally, with tears in our eyes. Everyone. I’m sitting there watching them applaud, in the middle of Sons of Anarchy, a love scene which involves probably the most degenerate club member, the necrophiliac, or whatever Tig does, and this transgendered woman who really, for the first time, explains where she came from emotionally and what it’s about.

I have to give props to Kurt Sutter, because, despite the occasional outburst on Twitter and all the public persona, when a man can write a scene like that, that is very emotionally evolved, that’s a very deep-thinking person. It’s not an experience that you just pull out of your ***. That’s something where a real writer has to dig deep into the characters and present it on the page. That’s the genius of the show. I’m as proud of that scene as any scene I’ve done in Sons of Anarchy.


Going forward, just three episodes remain. Jax heard the truth about Gemma, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he believes it, or acts on it right away, does it?
You’re onto something. It may take a minute to find out whether or not this is really true. And Gemma still has room to scramble. She’s a resourceful woman. It could be that this is not as obviously the end of things, though some people seem to think it is on Twitter.

There’s also the matter of the SAMCRO rat. Jax is obviously even more preoccupied now, but he’s not going to let that drop.
Oh, no. We’re going to find out who the rat is, and it’s going to be unpleasant.

Have you read any of the speculation about that?
I have. I’ve read it all. Some people have figured it out. If you read an Agatha Christie mystery, sometimes it’s not fair that the person who does [the crime] comes out of the blue. That’s not going to happen here. It’s going to be somebody with logical access to the information, but it’s going to be someone that you probably would not think would do this.


We also have the Indian Hills chapter, whose members are upset about Jury’s death. They went off to discuss it, and they’re going to come back with some feelings about it?
Yeah. Let’s face it, Jax killed their president. If someone came in to the club and shot Jax... imagine what the Sons of Anarchy Redwood Originals would do. The Indian Hills people are just as mad and just as out for justice. They will have their chance to do that.

Before Jury died, he suggested John Teller had killed himself. It’s been part of the storyline for the series that Gemma and Clay had some part in John’s death, but there’s no reason for Jury to have lied. Is this a topic we’ll revisit before the end of the series?
It is. You’ve got to wonder, we’ve always assumed John Teller’s death was the product of this Clay/Gemma scheme, that his motorcycle lost power or something, and that he died at that rock. Jury telling Jax something different shook Jax a little bit. It may very well be true. Jury says it in a very forthright manner, [and] Jax may have to take that into consideration. And if that is true, what does that mean about the whole mythology Jax has created around his father? Does he reevaluate everything? That’s going to be the fun of three more episodes.

And Juice: Is there any chance it’s going to get better for him?
No. It’s going to get worse. Much worse. Sorry, Juice fans.

 

[thadangerousmind]

Damn Juice. Don't tell me they're going to make him like being a booty boy or turn him drag. I think he might go full snitch then commit that.

 

[coldcity]

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When I was first asked to audition for a new female character on the final season of Sons of Anarchy, I wasn't exactly caught up on all six previous seasons.

I remember back in 2008 watching the early episodes, surprised by the drama about a motorcycle-club culture with which I was not personally familiar. Always a fan of Katey Sagal (whom I'd worked with in 1999 in the very different context of a Lifetime TV movie), I was intrigued to watch the fierce and seldom friendly colors of her character, Gemma Teller. The combustible writing of creator Kurt Sutter and the world of mayhem he began to build was compelling to me in the strangest of ways. I became oddly invested in the world of SAMCRO and Charming and the motley crew of unusually dangerous, formidable characters. It was not a show typical to my sensibilities, and as I watched, I couldn't disregard my own conflicts as a woman — alert to and aware of sticky words like "objectification" and "sexualization" and the all-pervasive "male gaze." As a viewer, those were precarious and potentially compromising concepts.

Such extreme violence, such avid and obvious masculine themes like motorcycles, guns, prostitutes, and vengeance played out in dark and disturbing ways: a vicious and controlling matriarch whose ever-so-slightly sexualized love and obsession for her son was a central axis of the show; deceit everywhere infected the actions of each tortured character in his or her own way; women as "old ladies" and "crow-eaters" scantily clad and willing to offer sex as recreation and entertainment.

And yet passionate, fervent love existed between central relationships, as did abiding loyalty to family, club, and home.

The women of SAMCRO, who were as flawed and conflicted as the men, powerfully staked claim, driving the narrative and affecting almost every action of the characters around them. I loved the unpredictability of female characters like Tara Knowles, an educated doctor surgically saving lives and then throwing fierce right hooks to protect her man and club, or June Stahl, a beautiful bisexual ATF agent whose villainy was unapologetically kinetic and full of her own agenda of vengeance. Even the porn stars took ownership of their property, taking charge of their objectification by producing, directing, and editing videos of their "creative" exploits.

Nothing about this show was typical. There was so much paradox to digest.

But in the shock and wonderment and mind-numbing sleeplessness of having my own sons early in the Sons of Anarchy's run, I fell behind in all things Charming. I pushed pause, agreeing to revisit the show and analyze later all that complexity and contradiction.

Life kept getting in the way, but I'd like to say that the show came back to me to make me live up to my promise. In late May of this year, when I got the offer to play the role of Sheriff Althea Jarry, I binge-watched Seasons 5 and 6 of SoA. It was addictive and urgent, and I couldn't catch up fast enough. When I finished watching, I jumped fast and hard at the invitation to join this massive feast of a show.

To put on a uniform of authority and the accompanying tactical gear obviously has an empowering effect. As Sheriff Jarry, I stood differently, held my body more erect — solid with my feet firmly grounded, weight low, and body ready. "Command presence" was the phrase I learned when talking to the real women Los Angeles sheriffs I worked with to prepare for the role. The moment I stepped into my wardrobe, I felt stronger, more powerful, and curiously dangerous.

Althea Jarry, like most of the female characters on Sons, is a woman of moral ambiguity. A cop who craves connection, even if with an outlaw, she is willing to play both sides to get what she wants as a sexual woman and as a professional with her own ambitions. As an actress, I relished the opportunity to play a character confused by her own warring compulsions and needs.

An irony about acting I have learned is that playing out the conflicts and contradictions of fiercely flawed and not always likable characters is liberating and empowering. These characters are the most real reflections of us as human beings.

As Sutter and the whole company of writers and directors at Sons of Anarchy have shown, along with the talented actors, it is the gray and gritty areas, the in-between dirty cops and remorseful criminals, the mixed up soup of sex and love and violence — this is where the most interesting meat and marrow of drama is found.

I've wrapped up my role of Sherriff Althea Jarry on SoA. It was a brief moment in the scope of the show's seven years. But my experience as a good/bad cop was rewarding to me as a woman and an actor, but especially as a woman.

The actors I worked with were warm, real, inviting, and inclusive. They are committed to their work and committed to each other, as only a cast of seven shared years together can be. But the women of the cast were notably accepting. Lacking pretense or attitude, willing to share time on screen and on set with no essence of competition; the women of Sons are a superlative bunch.

Sons of Anarchy is a bold and unapologetic show, not made for complacency or strict expectation. Playing Althea Jarry has encouraged me as a woman and an actor to dare to be the same.

 

[hometownhero]

I think Jax will witness Abel killing Gemma and will finally realize that he can't let his boys grow up SAMCRO. Cannot figure out who the rat is going to be. It'll be too lazy for the writers to be like ____________ (fill in SAMCRO member) was playing JAX the whole time. Never watched the show afterward, didn't want to get spoilers for future episodes. Probably will watch tonight. 

 

[lucho]

Rat is the rat