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Originally Posted by chatta718
so ur saying my man
is goin to the hall of fame because he was on great teams????? so horry is held in higher regard because he has 7?????
i love #NT
Did you actually read anything he wrote?
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Did you actually read anything he wrote?
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Originally Posted by chatta718
so ur saying my man
is goin to the hall of fame because he was on great teams????? so horry is held in higher regard because he has 7?????
i love #NT
Did you actually read anything he wrote?
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yeah, im saying even if bosh wins its no comparison to the chucks or malones horry won 7 and u dont hear about him because he wasnt that dude....read what i said i was j/KOriginally Posted by JD617
Originally Posted by chatta718
so ur saying my man
is goin to the hall of fame because he was on great teams????? so horry is held in higher regard because he has 7?????
i love #NT
Did you actually read anything he wrote?
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yeah, im saying even if bosh wins its no comparison to the chucks or malones horry won 7 and u dont hear about him because he wasnt that dude....read what i said i was j/KOriginally Posted by JD617
Originally Posted by chatta718
so ur saying my man
is goin to the hall of fame because he was on great teams????? so horry is held in higher regard because he has 7?????
i love #NT
Did you actually read anything he wrote?
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There is more pressure on Lebron to win multiple titles in Miami and expectations are MUCH greater, than they would be anywhere else if he signed. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by illfrozn
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Bro...Legacies are CEMENTED by the rings you win. Especially early on in his career. If Lebron wins 4 rings in Miami, a lot will be forgotten. What's the main objective in the NBA? To WIN championships. This is not like a 37 year old Gary Payton signing on w. the Heat...this is not like a over-the-hill Mitch Richmond singing on with the Lakers, etc etc....that being said, how's his legacy going to look if he stayed in Cleveland and didn't win anything? He'll go down with the likes of Pat Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, etc. All great players, but what's the first thing people talk about when discussing those guys in conversation? This was the ideal time for Lebron to leave. He's in his prime, mid-20's, and he knows this is the best chance he has to win NBA titles. I don't see how this is the easy way out. His expectations for winning are through the roof and there is an immense amount of pressure on him to deliver.@ him destroying his legacy. C'mon...be serious.
WHUT?!
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There is more pressure on Lebron to win multiple titles in Miami and expectations are MUCH greater, than they would be anywhere else if he signed. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by illfrozn
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Bro...Legacies are CEMENTED by the rings you win. Especially early on in his career. If Lebron wins 4 rings in Miami, a lot will be forgotten. What's the main objective in the NBA? To WIN championships. This is not like a 37 year old Gary Payton signing on w. the Heat...this is not like a over-the-hill Mitch Richmond singing on with the Lakers, etc etc....that being said, how's his legacy going to look if he stayed in Cleveland and didn't win anything? He'll go down with the likes of Pat Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, etc. All great players, but what's the first thing people talk about when discussing those guys in conversation? This was the ideal time for Lebron to leave. He's in his prime, mid-20's, and he knows this is the best chance he has to win NBA titles. I don't see how this is the easy way out. His expectations for winning are through the roof and there is an immense amount of pressure on him to deliver.@ him destroying his legacy. C'mon...be serious.WHUT?!
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Lebron would have had to take on more responsibility in Cleveland, Chicago, or NY, and winning a championship would have been a MUCH greater challenge. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
There is more pressure on Lebron to win multiple titles in Miami and expectations are MUCH greater, than they would be anywhere else if he signed. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by illfrozn
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Bro...Legacies are CEMENTED by the rings you win. Especially early on in his career. If Lebron wins 4 rings in Miami, a lot will be forgotten. What's the main objective in the NBA? To WIN championships. This is not like a 37 year old Gary Payton signing on w. the Heat...this is not like a over-the-hill Mitch Richmond singing on with the Lakers, etc etc....that being said, how's his legacy going to look if he stayed in Cleveland and didn't win anything? He'll go down with the likes of Pat Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, etc. All great players, but what's the first thing people talk about when discussing those guys in conversation? This was the ideal time for Lebron to leave. He's in his prime, mid-20's, and he knows this is the best chance he has to win NBA titles. I don't see how this is the easy way out. His expectations for winning are through the roof and there is an immense amount of pressure on him to deliver.@ him destroying his legacy. C'mon...be serious.WHUT?!
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Lebron would have had to take on more responsibility in Cleveland, Chicago, or NY, and winning a championship would have been a MUCH greater challenge. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
There is more pressure on Lebron to win multiple titles in Miami and expectations are MUCH greater, than they would be anywhere else if he signed. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by illfrozn
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Bro...Legacies are CEMENTED by the rings you win. Especially early on in his career. If Lebron wins 4 rings in Miami, a lot will be forgotten. What's the main objective in the NBA? To WIN championships. This is not like a 37 year old Gary Payton signing on w. the Heat...this is not like a over-the-hill Mitch Richmond singing on with the Lakers, etc etc....that being said, how's his legacy going to look if he stayed in Cleveland and didn't win anything? He'll go down with the likes of Pat Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, etc. All great players, but what's the first thing people talk about when discussing those guys in conversation? This was the ideal time for Lebron to leave. He's in his prime, mid-20's, and he knows this is the best chance he has to win NBA titles. I don't see how this is the easy way out. His expectations for winning are through the roof and there is an immense amount of pressure on him to deliver.@ him destroying his legacy. C'mon...be serious.WHUT?!
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i agree with him being a free agent and i agree with cleveland not landing a legit 2nd option and not having a plan b to an extent
but had lebron gone to the bulls who woulda had a pretty nice squad with him, rose, and boozer, or gone to the knicks where him and amare coulda did good things for years to come, he woulda had his legit 2nd option he never had and he woulda still been able to have a chance at beating the best players in the league rather then playing with some of them.
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i agree with him being a free agent and i agree with cleveland not landing a legit 2nd option and not having a plan b to an extent
but had lebron gone to the bulls who woulda had a pretty nice squad with him, rose, and boozer, or gone to the knicks where him and amare coulda did good things for years to come, he woulda had his legit 2nd option he never had and he woulda still been able to have a chance at beating the best players in the league rather then playing with some of them.
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Can't agree with that at all. Lebron signs with Cleveland, Chi, or NY...there would be expectations to win a championship or two....however, due to who he's playing with in Miami, the pressure/expectations are 10x what they would be if he were somewhere else. If he doesn't leave Miami with at least 3-4 championships, people will question this move and probably speculate if he couldn't have done the same thing in another city. Actually, scratch that 3-4 championship estimation....kinda like with the Yankees, he (along with the Heat) are going to be EXPECTED to win a championship every year that their "big 3) are together....When you have Bosh, Wade, and Lebron on one roster, there are no excuses. I don't care if he was playing in Mike's shadow, in NYC, or in Cleveland...this is a totally different situation, and he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders at this point due to how everything went down and who he is now playing for.Originally Posted by DT43
Lebron would have had to take on more responsibility in Cleveland, Chicago, or NY, and winning a championship would have been a MUCH greater challenge. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
There is more pressure on Lebron to win multiple titles in Miami and expectations are MUCH greater, than they would be anywhere else if he signed. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by illfrozn
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Bro...Legacies are CEMENTED by the rings you win. Especially early on in his career. If Lebron wins 4 rings in Miami, a lot will be forgotten. What's the main objective in the NBA? To WIN championships. This is not like a 37 year old Gary Payton signing on w. the Heat...this is not like a over-the-hill Mitch Richmond singing on with the Lakers, etc etc....that being said, how's his legacy going to look if he stayed in Cleveland and didn't win anything? He'll go down with the likes of Pat Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, etc. All great players, but what's the first thing people talk about when discussing those guys in conversation? This was the ideal time for Lebron to leave. He's in his prime, mid-20's, and he knows this is the best chance he has to win NBA titles. I don't see how this is the easy way out. His expectations for winning are through the roof and there is an immense amount of pressure on him to deliver.@ him destroying his legacy. C'mon...be serious.WHUT?!
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Can't agree with that at all. Lebron signs with Cleveland, Chi, or NY...there would be expectations to win a championship or two....however, due to who he's playing with in Miami, the pressure/expectations are 10x what they would be if he were somewhere else. If he doesn't leave Miami with at least 3-4 championships, people will question this move and probably speculate if he couldn't have done the same thing in another city. Actually, scratch that 3-4 championship estimation....kinda like with the Yankees, he (along with the Heat) are going to be EXPECTED to win a championship every year that their "big 3) are together....When you have Bosh, Wade, and Lebron on one roster, there are no excuses. I don't care if he was playing in Mike's shadow, in NYC, or in Cleveland...this is a totally different situation, and he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders at this point due to how everything went down and who he is now playing for.Originally Posted by DT43
Lebron would have had to take on more responsibility in Cleveland, Chicago, or NY, and winning a championship would have been a MUCH greater challenge. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
There is more pressure on Lebron to win multiple titles in Miami and expectations are MUCH greater, than they would be anywhere else if he signed. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by illfrozn
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Bro...Legacies are CEMENTED by the rings you win. Especially early on in his career. If Lebron wins 4 rings in Miami, a lot will be forgotten. What's the main objective in the NBA? To WIN championships. This is not like a 37 year old Gary Payton signing on w. the Heat...this is not like a over-the-hill Mitch Richmond singing on with the Lakers, etc etc....that being said, how's his legacy going to look if he stayed in Cleveland and didn't win anything? He'll go down with the likes of Pat Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, etc. All great players, but what's the first thing people talk about when discussing those guys in conversation? This was the ideal time for Lebron to leave. He's in his prime, mid-20's, and he knows this is the best chance he has to win NBA titles. I don't see how this is the easy way out. His expectations for winning are through the roof and there is an immense amount of pressure on him to deliver.@ him destroying his legacy. C'mon...be serious.WHUT?!
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So then I ask you...
Why is he a coward for going to MIA who has a pretty nice squad with Wade, Bosh, etc...
Rose/Amar'e/Boozer AREN'T some of the best players in the league?
I seriously think some of you are just mad because this team has a really good shot at completely manhandling the NBA for the next 6 years.
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So then I ask you...
Why is he a coward for going to MIA who has a pretty nice squad with Wade, Bosh, etc...
Rose/Amar'e/Boozer AREN'T some of the best players in the league?
I seriously think some of you are just mad because this team has a really good shot at completely manhandling the NBA for the next 6 years.
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But it's not just on LeBron to bring championships to the Heat. The pressure is spread out evenly. LeBron doesn't have to step his game up now, he's got two other guys with him who can completely cover his $*! if he stinks it up. He said (not literally) "I'm not strong enough to carry a team on my shoulders, I'm going to get help. The best help I can find." Is that not taking the easy route? It's like using cheat codesOriginally Posted by DoubleJs07
Can't agree with that at all. Lebron signs with Cleveland, Chi, or NY...there would be expectations to win a championship or two....however, due to who he's playing with in Miami, the pressure/expectations are 10x what they would be if he were somewhere else. If he doesn't leave Miami with at least 3-4 championships, people will question this move and probably speculate if he couldn't have done the same thing in another city. Actually, scratch that 3-4 championship estimation....kinda like with the Yankees, he (along with the Heat) are going to be EXPECTED to win a championship every year that their "big 3) are together....When you have Bosh, Wade, and Lebron on one roster, there are no excuses. I don't care if he was playing in Mike's shadow, in NYC, or in Cleveland...this is a totally different situation, and he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders at this point due to how everything went down and who he is now playing for.Originally Posted by DT43
Lebron would have had to take on more responsibility in Cleveland, Chicago, or NY, and winning a championship would have been a MUCH greater challenge. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
There is more pressure on Lebron to win multiple titles in Miami and expectations are MUCH greater, than they would be anywhere else if he signed. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by illfrozn
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Bro...Legacies are CEMENTED by the rings you win. Especially early on in his career. If Lebron wins 4 rings in Miami, a lot will be forgotten. What's the main objective in the NBA? To WIN championships. This is not like a 37 year old Gary Payton signing on w. the Heat...this is not like a over-the-hill Mitch Richmond singing on with the Lakers, etc etc....that being said, how's his legacy going to look if he stayed in Cleveland and didn't win anything? He'll go down with the likes of Pat Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, etc. All great players, but what's the first thing people talk about when discussing those guys in conversation? This was the ideal time for Lebron to leave. He's in his prime, mid-20's, and he knows this is the best chance he has to win NBA titles. I don't see how this is the easy way out. His expectations for winning are through the roof and there is an immense amount of pressure on him to deliver.@ him destroying his legacy. C'mon...be serious.WHUT?!
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But it's not just on LeBron to bring championships to the Heat. The pressure is spread out evenly. LeBron doesn't have to step his game up now, he's got two other guys with him who can completely cover his $*! if he stinks it up. He said (not literally) "I'm not strong enough to carry a team on my shoulders, I'm going to get help. The best help I can find." Is that not taking the easy route? It's like using cheat codesOriginally Posted by DoubleJs07
Can't agree with that at all. Lebron signs with Cleveland, Chi, or NY...there would be expectations to win a championship or two....however, due to who he's playing with in Miami, the pressure/expectations are 10x what they would be if he were somewhere else. If he doesn't leave Miami with at least 3-4 championships, people will question this move and probably speculate if he couldn't have done the same thing in another city. Actually, scratch that 3-4 championship estimation....kinda like with the Yankees, he (along with the Heat) are going to be EXPECTED to win a championship every year that their "big 3) are together....When you have Bosh, Wade, and Lebron on one roster, there are no excuses. I don't care if he was playing in Mike's shadow, in NYC, or in Cleveland...this is a totally different situation, and he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders at this point due to how everything went down and who he is now playing for.Originally Posted by DT43
Lebron would have had to take on more responsibility in Cleveland, Chicago, or NY, and winning a championship would have been a MUCH greater challenge. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
There is more pressure on Lebron to win multiple titles in Miami and expectations are MUCH greater, than they would be anywhere else if he signed. There is no getting around that.Originally Posted by illfrozn
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
Bro...Legacies are CEMENTED by the rings you win. Especially early on in his career. If Lebron wins 4 rings in Miami, a lot will be forgotten. What's the main objective in the NBA? To WIN championships. This is not like a 37 year old Gary Payton signing on w. the Heat...this is not like a over-the-hill Mitch Richmond singing on with the Lakers, etc etc....that being said, how's his legacy going to look if he stayed in Cleveland and didn't win anything? He'll go down with the likes of Pat Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, etc. All great players, but what's the first thing people talk about when discussing those guys in conversation? This was the ideal time for Lebron to leave. He's in his prime, mid-20's, and he knows this is the best chance he has to win NBA titles. I don't see how this is the easy way out. His expectations for winning are through the roof and there is an immense amount of pressure on him to deliver.@ him destroying his legacy. C'mon...be serious.WHUT?!
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Im going to be 100% on this one. I think Lebron has just killed his legacy for good. Even if he win multiple rings. They will never be as sweet and valuable as winning one for his city/team and by himself. People will always use the excuse of him piggybacking onto other superstars for easy route to a championship.
5 years from now people would be like: Oh you need superstars to help you out, while Kobe/Jordan only need good role players
Lebron is a punk and can't win @#$#@ by himself.
5 years from now people would be like: Oh you need superstars to help you out, while Kobe/Jordan only need good role players
Lebron is a punk and can't win @#$#@ by himself.
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Im going to be 100% on this one. I think Lebron has just killed his legacy for good. Even if he win multiple rings. They will never be as sweet and valuable as winning one for his city/team and by himself. People will always use the excuse of him piggybacking onto other superstars for easy route to a championship.
5 years from now people would be like: Oh you need superstars to help you out, while Kobe/Jordan only need good role players
Lebron is a punk and can't win @#$#@ by himself.
5 years from now people would be like: Oh you need superstars to help you out, while Kobe/Jordan only need good role players
Lebron is a punk and can't win @#$#@ by himself.
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LOLWHATDIDYOUJUSTSAY!?!?!
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LOLWHATDIDYOUJUSTSAY!?!?!
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Can't wait until next season
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kobe/jordan only need role players....wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww..........
