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Isn't it said that he took Dawn back to Ashara Dayne tho ? How would he have gotten his hands on that and how else would Arthur have died had that confrontation not happen
(Spoilers) ASOIAF Books Discussion (All Books Read Edition) (Spoilers)
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Man, I really don't know
January 02, 2002
http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1194CONCERNING THE TOWER OF JOY
I have a question which I'm sure you can (and will?) answer. It's about the Tower of Joy. The image we get from Ned's description is pretty powerful. But it doesn't make sense. The top three kingsguards, including the lord commander amd the best knight in ages, Ser Arthur Dayne are present there. Lyanna is in the tower, she asked Ned to promise him something. This, so says the general consensus us little Jon Snow, who is Lyanna's and Rhaegar's. No sense denying this
However, what are the Kingsguards doing fighting Eddard? Eddard would never hurt Lyanna, nor her child. The little one would be safe with Eddard as well, him being a close relative. So I ask you, was there someone else with Lyanna and Jon?
You'll need to wait for future books to find out more about the Tower of Joy and what happened there, I fear.
I might mention, though, that Ned's account, which you refer to, was in the context of a dream... and a fever dream at that. Our dreams are not always literal.
Also, did the Kingsguards know what was in the Tower?
Certainly.
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I questioned the whole fever dream thing before and got straight "blasted" in here. I do remember reading that interview.
I also questioned who are the kg fighting for??? *cough their king** "yet Aerys would still sit at his throne"
Ill type my thoughts about the ep when i get home.
But i truly believe now the book and show will NOT come to the same conclusion.
But i dont thinknit was bad episode (individual from the main story line.)
the show is setting up sort of a cookie cutter story line. And after rereading some sansa chapters over the past few days i understand why I think that
I also questioned who are the kg fighting for??? *cough their king** "yet Aerys would still sit at his throne"
Ill type my thoughts about the ep when i get home.
But i truly believe now the book and show will NOT come to the same conclusion.
But i dont thinknit was bad episode (individual from the main story line.)
the show is setting up sort of a cookie cutter story line. And after rereading some sansa chapters over the past few days i understand why I think that
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GRRM released another excerpt from Winds of Winter "ARIANNE":
http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/
I appreciate the excerpt but I'd rather the book in its entirety.
Now I'm positive GRRM isn't anywhere near finished with Winds.
From his blog:
http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/
I appreciate the excerpt but I'd rather the book in its entirety.
Now I'm positive GRRM isn't anywhere near finished with Winds.
From his blog:
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The excerpt's annoy me
I don't bother reading them
I don't bother reading them
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I love the world dude created but he's a straight herb 
Just finish the damn book
Just finish the damn book
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As much as I just want this book to come out, I can't help but read the excerpts. This one is more interesting than the entire Dorne story line in the show.
You guys think the order the excerpts come out will be the order of POV's in the book? giving us a little bit of a head start.
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I think he is just about done. I think his revisions are the cause of the delay. Sample chapters arent a very good indicator as to his progress.GRRM released another excerpt from Winds of Winter "ARIANNE":
http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/
I appreciate the excerpt but I'd rather the book in its entirety.
Now I'm positive GRRM isn't anywhere near finished with Winds.
From his blog:
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Yeah GRRM is trolling at epic levels by not dropping this book
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the world needs a villian hahaThe thread just moves too fast plus we can still legit talk storyline in here.
Yall still forget the wait from book 4-5 was longer.
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Yeah. But 20 years with no end in sight. That's terrible
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Again the show has made people more antsy than anything. There are plenty of book series thats taken a long time to complete. A few authors died and the people they worked with finished their stories for them (some better than original) the wheel of time comes to mind. And the dune
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^^ You're saying that as if it's a good thing to keep fans waiting 20+ years for a book series to be complete.
It's not about being antsy, it's about him doing everything else under the sun instead of finishing a book series he started writing in 1991. That's ridiculous, imo.
I think it was
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that said S6 is moving in a direction where he's not even concerned w/ the books anymore & I'm starting to feel the same way.
Not attacking you btw
It's not about being antsy, it's about him doing everything else under the sun instead of finishing a book series he started writing in 1991. That's ridiculous, imo.
I think it was
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that said S6 is moving in a direction where he's not even concerned w/ the books anymore & I'm starting to feel the same way. Not attacking you btw
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Ive been saying i think book and show will be completely different especially since the end of season 5.
Its not a good thing but i mean book series of this magnitude take a long time. But i want the best work he can give me
I mean how long do u think he even took to put all of book 1&2 together ?
Im not worried if he dies because the 2 co authors on the history book know his work in and out.
I dont know iim just not one to hang the man because he stepped away for awhile to chill. The shpw prolly takes a bigger toll on this process than anything
Its not a good thing but i mean book series of this magnitude take a long time. But i want the best work he can give me
I mean how long do u think he even took to put all of book 1&2 together ?
Im not worried if he dies because the 2 co authors on the history book know his work in and out.
I dont know iim just not one to hang the man because he stepped away for awhile to chill. The shpw prolly takes a bigger toll on this process than anything
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If anything season 6 makes me want the book to come out even more. Show is cool in all but not a replacement for books. I just wish i had learned about Jon snows fate and TOJ (when they fully reveal it to us in episode 5) via books. So many characters and storylines in the books that I am anxious to learn more about. Like whats the deal with Darkstar and who is Septa Lemore.^^ You're saying that as if it's a good thing to keep fans waiting 20+ years for a book series to be complete.
It's not about being antsy, it's about him doing everything else under the sun instead of finishing a book series he started writing in 1991. That's ridiculous, imo.
I think it was
Not attacking you btw
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The one thing i didnt like about episode 3 was the way they chose to depict the fight scene. Ser Arthur Dayne didnt wield 2 swords, he used Dawn which is a greatsword. Also Ned didnt have Ice, the sword he used looked like Ice but again Ice is a greatsword not a one handed sword.
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Fighting with ice doesnt seem practical for ned against someone of daynes caliber. People are wondering if he even had possession of ice at the time.
But i think the 2 swprds bothered me the most also.
Great scene. But as said by jamie himself "i never understood why some knights felt the need to have 2 swords"
Which would be contradictory to the admiration he had for dayne.
But i think the 2 swprds bothered me the most also.
Great scene. But as said by jamie himself "i never understood why some knights felt the need to have 2 swords"
Which would be contradictory to the admiration he had for dayne.
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To non Book readers which the show is catering to 2 Swords > 1
Would've been nice to see Dawn tho
Would've been nice to see Dawn tho
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The one thing i didnt like about episode 3 was the way they chose to depict the fight scene. Ser Arthur Dayne didnt wield 2 swords, he used Dawn which is a greatsword. Also Ned didnt have Ice, the sword he used looked like Ice but again Ice is a greatsword not a one handed sword.
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Ned didn't fight with Ice. It was a ceremonial sword used for executions and the like. GRRM has said as much.
There's a whole Reddit argument about how you can fight with great/bastard swords and it's practical, but GRRM was like "chill, Ned doesn't."
And did it ever say in the books that Dayne only used one sword or is that something book readers filled in with their imaginations? Either way Benioff said they made him dual wield to emphasize how he's one of the goat swordsmen.
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you do see dawn. Go watch the episode again. The sword Dayne plants into the ground during their conversation has a sun emblem on its hilt. That's Dawn. It's also the sword Ned uses to finish him off and then carries up the steps of the TOJ.Also, if you look carefully, the sword young Ned shows up to the fight with is the same sword he fights with in season 1. Really good prop consistency there.
Makes you wish they were more consistent in other plot areas.
Like why they have 6 people mutiny and stab Jon Snow but then he only hangs 4 people and it's not explained so we have to make up our own reasons like "wun wun killed one of them after he shot him with a bow and the other died when the wild kings stormed the castle."
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My thoughts exactly. Dayne having a big greatsword would mean nothing to non-book readers who wouldn't understand his history. They would need to have some heavy exposition to explain it. So essentially D&B must've said, "Whats the best way we can show that this knight is more of a badass than everyone else? Oh yeah, we will give him 2 swords!". Just look at Hotah in the show, he had his massive axe that he never used and ended up being stabbed by a kitten in the back. In the book he takes Oakheart's head clean off with one swing. I'm way past the point of believing the show can do 100% justice to the characters.
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Yeah, apparently a greatsword is good for combat with multiple enemies. Makes some sense I suppose, but it's got to be tough with the speed limitations swinging that thing.
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I don't know where Ice was at the time of TOJ in books but it was definitely his by rights at that time. Regardless Dayne had Dawn which was a great sword and that's what he used. And he was the best swordsman in all of Westeros with it. Hard to imagine someone fighting with a sword that size but I guess that's how it was. I think Valyrian steel was lighter than regular steel. Heartsbane the ancestral valyrian steel sword of House Tarly is also a greatsword
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In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Gillen discussed Petyr Baelish’s misjudgement the evil Ramsay Bolton last year and how his character will atone for such an error.
“For me, this time out, there’s a level of atonement in relation to Sansa and my misjudgment of Ramsay Bolton,” Gillen said. “A lot of what I’m up to is atonement and really trying to align myself the right people … I left Sansa married to a psychopath. It’s probably the one time we’ve seen Littlefinger slip up. He really didn’t know about him. He should have.”
“n the world of our story everyone does not know [about Ramsay’s behaviour]. A lot happens behind closed doors, or closed gates,” he said. “I know it seems unlikely Petyr Baelish, who knows everything, would be unaware of his reputation and the depths of his cruelty. In a way, this shows a new side of him, a faltering, and I do want to make amends.”
Gillen insisted that Baelish has good intentions for Sansa, even though it’s tough to see past the perception of him as calculating.
“I like Sansa, you know? So I’m trying to find something humane and gentle and maybe even warm in the midst of my treachery and calculation – which is pathological … But you can only do what’s on the page.”
That’s a pretty clear statement. There’s obviously a lot of good in Baelish and he’s said before he sees a lot of Catelyn in Sansa. However, by the sounds of things, the showrunners may have plans that lean more towards the ‘pathological’ side.
“For me, this time out, there’s a level of atonement in relation to Sansa and my misjudgment of Ramsay Bolton,” Gillen said. “A lot of what I’m up to is atonement and really trying to align myself the right people … I left Sansa married to a psychopath. It’s probably the one time we’ve seen Littlefinger slip up. He really didn’t know about him. He should have.”
“n the world of our story everyone does not know [about Ramsay’s behaviour]. A lot happens behind closed doors, or closed gates,” he said. “I know it seems unlikely Petyr Baelish, who knows everything, would be unaware of his reputation and the depths of his cruelty. In a way, this shows a new side of him, a faltering, and I do want to make amends.”
Gillen insisted that Baelish has good intentions for Sansa, even though it’s tough to see past the perception of him as calculating.
“I like Sansa, you know? So I’m trying to find something humane and gentle and maybe even warm in the midst of my treachery and calculation – which is pathological … But you can only do what’s on the page.”
That’s a pretty clear statement. There’s obviously a lot of good in Baelish and he’s said before he sees a lot of Catelyn in Sansa. However, by the sounds of things, the showrunners may have plans that lean more towards the ‘pathological’ side.
