Star Wars Universe Thread: May The 4th Be With You

[jaypesoz]

I'm excited for 9 to drop and shock and awe everyone, and then everyone will go back to praising 7 like they were doing when it came out and then flip flopped when they didn't like TLJ.

7 unfairly gets lumped with 8 but of how meaningless the latter movie made it. I personally think it's the second best SW movie after Rogue One, but it was also very "safe" and I thought it was the perfect way to get back into the SW-Universe after how ROTJ ended. Had TLJ actually been better received by the majority, 7 would've definitely gotten a bump up in favoritism too, but it didn't.

There's enough legit criticism of Episode 8 in here to just brush them aside as "sheep mentality". I don't legitimize or have a stake on who's a fan or not so how you feel about the franchise is entirely up to each individual.

 

[CP1708]

7 unfairly gets lumped with 8 but of how meaningless the latter movie made it. I personally think it's the second best SW movie after Rogue One, but it was also very "safe" and I thought it was the perfect way to get back into the SW-Universe after how ROTJ ended. Had TLJ actually been better received by the majority, 7 would've definitely gotten a bump up in favoritism too, but it didn't.

There's enough legit criticism of Episode 8 in here to just brush them aside as "sheep mentality".

I think what you said is the point. 7 is considered "safe". 8 tried to be bold and go a different direction for the first time and people flipped. Then caused a backlash against 7 for being.....safe. WTF?

People just wanted to ***** at that point, and the leader of that was Lame because he didn't get his Luke-Rey relationship he wanted. Had he gotten that, he would have praised TLJ til the end of time. He'd be Spidey in the MCU all over the place in here.

 

[CP1708]

 

[buschfan04]

VII was a good movie. I have it above Rotj but 8 is terrible. And it ruined what they did with VII. I hope with 9 I can skip 8 and just watch 7 and 9

 

[WhatisLove]

I finally cracked and saw the film that purports to be Star Wars "VII" after dreading how bad it would be (which had resulted in my hold out until I could see it with all of my family together). Warning... semi-long rant that could be much longer follows. I actually don’t know why I wrote this here (probably just because I knew there was a Star Wars thread on Niketalk). Also, I respect everyone's opinion... and do understand how people could like the film that purports to be Star Wars "VII". I do not, however.

Spoiler

I had avoided all spoilers/trailers/previews of any kind as best as I could... but I could not avoid seeing a recovered Darth Vader mask, knew that the primary members of the original trilogy's cast would be in the film, and Disney... so, I anticipated something worse than Indiana Jones "4". While I will not go as far as to say that the film that purports to be Star Wars "VII" was as bad as the monstrosity that is Indiana Jones "4", it was fairly close.

As one of the biggest fans of the original 6 movies (all of them, original trilogy and prequel trilogy; strictly canon only (minus Holiday Special); I did not put much stock or interest into the Expanded Universe beyond playing/owning many Star Wars games), I do not plan on watching the next films in this "trilogy/series". I may consider watching any future films that deal with the events prior to Episode I, but I cannot see myself buying into any more of the supposed storyline that follows this film that purports to be Star Wars "VII".

I have many issues with this film that purports to be Star Wars "VII" that I will not go into. I have not kept up with this or any Star Wars thread at all (see above; no spoilers)... so many of them may have been mentioned, although my brief reading of the past few pages show that many people in here actually seem to have liked the film. I will mention two of my issues by trying to combine/condense/describe them into two main/generalized issues, as I do not wish to go through every single issue that I have with numerous details that are present in the film that purports to be Star Wars “VII” (big and small).

First, this film that purports to be Star Wars "VII" is simply a knock-off of Star Wars IV. There are many different "moving parts" and the plot/characters/objects/pace/etc. is obviously not exactly same... but I felt like I was watching a very high end fan film that was attempting to remake Star Wars IV with all of the subtle (and painfully not so subtle) references (note: obviously, there were references to other parts/scenes of some of the other films... but the Star Wars IV vibe was certainly the strongest). I could go on for hours about every single thing wrong with this, but I won't. It simply felt like a bad version of something I'd already seen before. The lack of creativity must have been intentional, as it was probably done to draw casual fans of the original trilogy back into the fold (although it seems they shot themselves in the foot by killing off one of the most popular, if not THE most popular, character of the old trilogy in a nearly emotionless fashion).

Second, this film that purports to be Star Wars "VII" requires a belief that the events that took place at the end of Star Wars VI (i.e. the destruction of the Galactic/Imperial Empire, Anakin Skywalker fulfilling a 1000 year old prophecy by bringing balance to the Force (i.e. destroying the Sith)) were not as "galaxy-altering" as they were built up to be or that things simply went VERY bad for the victorious Rebellion (on behalf of the rest of the galaxy subject to the Galactic/Imperial Empire) in 20-30 years. I will never believe either of those alternatives, regardless of whatever half-baked explanation that they attempt to put forth in future films.

Summary: As a big fan of the Star Wars films, I am very disappointed (but not at all surprised) to say that I dislike the film that purports to be Star Wars “VII”. Setting this film/new trilogy/series further in the future (say, 100-1000 years) may have worked better… but I knew Disney couldn’t resist trying to appeal to the fans of the original trilogy by cutting out connections to it (i.e. original cast members, similar scenes/objects, etc.). This has led to an unjustifiable state of affairs in the Star Wars galaxy as it appears in the film that purports to be Star Wars “VII” in a very short amount of time (20-30 years) that I cannot agree with or support as a fan.

I don't post in here still because Star Wars is done, but I have quoted my original post regarding "VII" to demonstrate that not everyone is "sheep" when it comes to Disney's trash... apparently "VIII" just reinforced it (which I have not, and will not, ever view).

 

[wuchi01]

Empire Forever
(Movie too)

 

[Master Zik]

Nothing but sheep mentality in here. People can't seem to have original thoughts. Once the buzz about people disliking TLJ came out, everyone followed. Unfortunately that is the problem with fandom now. It's the only time I like to use the corny word "toxic". LOL @ one movie ruining a franchise for you.

Or many ppl really all do genuinely feel the same way and you're one of the abberations.

Just a wild thought.

 

[danger style]

sooooo the latest leaks regarding Rey's parentage

Spoiler

Reys parent's are nobodies.....

but her grandpa is Palpatine

 

[AZwildcats]

Or many ppl really all do genuinely feel the same way and you're one of the abberations.

Just a wild thought.

Fanboyism is a weird thing.

 

[lamekilla]

People just wanted to ***** at that point, and the leader of that was Lame because he didn't get his Luke-Rey relationship he wanted. Had he gotten that, he would have praised TLJ til the end of time. He'd be Spidey in the MCU all over the place in here.

Lol @ thinking TLJ was only bad because Luke and Rey weren’t Father and Daughter. Bro do you even Rose Tico? ....but it all could’ve been so simple. Rey HAD to be Luke’s daughter for this next generation thing to work. They subverted our expectations in the worst way and Disney has the death of Star Wars on their hands. I’ve slowly begun to make peace with it. Nothing lasts forever. But for Rian Johnson and TLJ to disrespect the greatest hero in cinema history to fit his personal narrative of a “soap opera in space” I still can’t rationalize. The family drama of Kylo becoming distant from his family because his uncle Luke snuck in his room and did something he shouldn’t have done I can’t. I just can’t. That’s how you want the next generation to view young Skywalker?? And who tf is Rey?! Like what is this nonsense. Watching Episode 9 is now a chore to watch. The story of Star Wars ended long ago either way. And I’ll choose to remember the characters that made story special

Not like this

But like this

 

[Stakeholder]

bring back the Midi-chlorians

 

[datboi81]

Rey could be Palpatine’s daughter...or on some Cammy from Street Fighter ish and be a next host body for him like M. Bison.

Palpatine is ugly, but like most men in power, he was out here grabbing them by the kitty.

 

[debso]

yeah...so i'm not a follower or sheep or whatever. everyone is entitled to their opinion but to try to call ppl out and use a blanket statement is bs.
put that energy towards something constructive.

episode 8 was absolute trash *TO ME* and def ruins any expectations, hype, etc. for episode 9.
i'm a huge fan of palpatine/darth sidious, his rise to power, how much power he actually has, etc. and that's the only reason i'm even entertaining 9.

i'm hoping we get his lightsaber at some point. otherwise i'll be copping from one of those sites that makes them...

 

[IATT]

I think what you said is the point. 7 is considered "safe". 8 tried to be bold and go a different direction for the first time and people flipped. Then caused a backlash against 7 for being.....safe. WTF?

People just wanted to ***** at that point, and the leader of that was Lame because he didn't get his Luke-Rey relationship he wanted. Had he gotten that, he would have praised TLJ til the end of time. He'd be Spidey in the MCU all over the place in here.

Or 8 was just not good

 

[Master Zik]

sooooo the latest leaks regarding Rey's parentage

Spoiler

Reys parent's are nobodies.....

but her grandpa is Palpatine

Hope this is the one.

Epic troll job JJ. Don't retcon TLJ just completely subvert the entire message and point of it.

I think what you said is the point. 7 is considered "safe". 8 tried to be bold and go a different direction for the first time and people flipped. Then caused a backlash against 7 for being.....safe. WTF?

I think its more like 7 was a big rehash with nothing new. It was serviceable as a SW comeback and entertaining enough. Everyone basically didnt look all that closely at any flaws and left it at surface level hype of Han dying and mystery around Snoke.

Then TLJ came out and even if you didnt think it was terrible its telling a story almost from a completely different continuity. It subverts expectations in an unsatisfying way. There was a vocal backlash that did consider it trash though. Nothing interesting done with Finn, Poe is busy rebelling against the rebellion, Rey has this weird thing going on with Kylo, nothing worthy of note with any new characters. More subversion of expectations with antagonists (Phasma, Snoke). Weird or simply doesnt fit subplot themes/messages (animals on casino planet, del Toro). Trash space chase scene majority of the movie. Luke.

So if you take a step back, and look at this sequel trilogy so far for many its one bad movie and this mediocre rehash. It gets even worse if you have no connection to the new characters.

What's worse is the feeling that these guys did not have a 3 part story already laid out before pre-production of TFA.

If the original trilogy was handled the way the sequel trilogy was you wouldnt even be a Star Wars fan **** would've failed.

 

[CP1708]

Hope this is the one.

Epic troll job JJ. Don't retcon TLJ just completely subvert the entire message and point of it.

I think its more like 7 was a big rehash with nothing new. It was serviceable as a SW comeback and entertaining enough. Everyone basically didnt look all that closely at any flaws and left it at surface level hype of Han dying and mystery around Snoke.

Then TLJ came out and even if you didnt think it was terrible its telling a story almost from a completely different continuity. It subverts expectations in an unsatisfying way. There was a vocal backlash that did consider it trash though. Nothing interesting done with Finn, Poe is busy rebelling against the rebellion, Rey has this weird thing going on with Kylo, nothing worthy of note with any new characters. More subversion of expectations with antagonists (Phasma, Snoke). Weird or simply doesnt fit subplot themes/messages (animals on casino planet, del Toro). Trash space chase scene majority of the movie. Luke.

So if you take a step back, and look at this sequel trilogy so far for many its one bad movie and this mediocre rehash. It gets even worse if you have no connection to the new characters.

What's worse is the feeling that these guys did not have a 3 part story already laid out before pre-production of TFA.

If the original trilogy was handled the way the sequel trilogy was you wpuldnt even be a Star Wars fan **** would've failed.

Thing is, it's better than the prequel trilogy that had that story lined out.

We KNEW that story and they still got it wrong.

No one knows what this story is. Leading people to guess/speculate. Ala Lame and the Rey lineage. You saw dude hyping this movie as the goat IF Rey became Luke's daughter.

The casino scene was 10 unneeded minutes. No diff than Jabba's palace, or Kamino or any other 10 minute scenes in the other films. Nonsensical time filling. Luke's entire "plan" at Jabba's was to give up his weapon and have all of his friends in chains? It was cool tho, so everyone overlooked it. Rian just didn't have a cool angle for that casino mess.

I don't care how they tie, or don't, people that loved and praised 7 then completely flipped 2 years later are lame. That's sheep **** in the easiest of ways. Yes it was a safe rehash. Everyone knew that. But everyone loved it. Everyone was on board and happy. Then a completely different films drops and people go back and revise their takes on 7? Baaahhh baaaahhhh.

7 came out, everyone thrilled, most money all time, all good.
Rogue One comes out, HUGELY popular, people raving. Disney is crushin it.
8 drops, Rey is nobody, everyone falls apart. Disney "ruined" everything, now 7 sucks, 9 is gonna suck, haven't even seen Solo yet but that sucks (?!?!?!?!?!?!?)

That's sheep. Trashing movies not even seen yet, revising old takes on prior movies, that's sheep. Following a herd. That's fine. People can do that. But own it. Don't try and rationalize it. You didn't like 8, fine. Has nothing to do with 7, or unseen 9, or Solo, or Rogue One, or The Mandalorian, etc etc. That's just hate.

I detest the story that George screwed up from the prequels. Doesn't make me destroy the OG's. I don't crush Empire cuz Leia makes out with her brother. Or Ben's speech in Hope is all "incorrect" now. Or Vader never really hunted down and destroyed any Jedi.

 

[Master Zik]

Thing is, it's better than the prequel trilogy that had that story lined out.

If all it takes is for something to be better than a prequel movie then SW is going to suck for a long time.

That CAN NOT be the standard moving forward.

Saying at least it was better than a prequel movie doesnt make it good. Just means it wasn't the worst kind of trash possible.

We KNEW that story and they still got it wrong.

Time to let go of the past man. Kill it. Its been 20 years. Circumstances of the prequels have no bearing on whats going on now.

The notion that they had things planned out and it wasnt good therefore if they dont have a plan here it cant be any worse is crazy. For a trilogy, it ALWAYS makes sense to have a coherent story plotted out over 3 movies.

No one knows what this story is. Leading people to guess/speculate. Ala Lame and the Rey lineage. You saw dude hyping this movie as the goat IF Rey became Luke's daughter.

I dont even read dude's posts anymore.

But just cuz he was incessantly a loud voice in here doesn't mean everybody else was following that. I dont even think there were a ton of ppl that wanted what he wanted or were swayed by the reasoning.

The casino scene was 10 unneeded minutes. No diff than Jabba's palace, or Kamino or any other 10 minute scenes in the other films. Nonsensical time filling. Luke's entire "plan" at Jabba's was to give up his weapon and have all of his friends in chains? It was cool tho, so everyone overlooked it. Rian just didn't have a cool angle for that casino mess.

I'm not rewriting the OT.

What Rian did wasn't cool or even good. It was hamfisted, forced and awkwardly executed.

The difference between cool and not cool matters.

I don't care how they tie, or don't, people that loved and praised 7 then completely flipped 2 years later are lame. That's sheep **** in the easiest of ways. Yes it was a safe rehash.

I dont see how it's sheep **** at all.

There are tons of movies that ppl initially thought were good that dont hold up on rewatch or with a closer look.

Everyone knew that. But everyone loved it.

Not me. That **** was pathetic.

Confirmed to me JJ is a director that lacks vision and shouldn't be a part of any long form storytelling cuz if you look at his career he mostly attaches his name to successful projects maybe having a good idea or two and then ditches it.

Everyone was on board and happy. Then a completely different films drops and people go back and revise their takes on 7? Baaahhh baaaahhhh.

No. Everyone was happy to have SW back. Especially after the prequels. Especially during a time George was talking like he wouldn't ever make another one. That's it. Happy to see C3PO, R2, Han and Leia and a tease for Luke.

That's what ppl were really happy about. For them the movie was blur that had potential to be built upon.

However, like I said when you step back and look at these two movies.

7 came out, everyone thrilled, most money all time, all good.
Rogue One comes out, HUGELY popular, people raving. Disney is crushin it.
8 drops, Rey is nobody, everyone falls apart. Disney "ruined" everything, now 7 sucks, 9 is gonna suck, haven't even seen Solo yet but that sucks (?!?!?!?!?!?!?)

Guess Solo was so bad you aint even speak on it.

Its called goodwill. Lucasfilm lost it with 8. It was at an all time high after Rogue 1.

I know nothing about trashing movies before seeing them but let's not pretend anything about Solo got ppl excited or looked good.

I detest the story that George screwed up from the prequels. Doesn't make me destroy the OG's.

That isn't whats going on though.

You already hate the prequels. Nobody is saying TFA was a rehash or TLJ was trash so the prequels suck or the OG suck. Dudes simply came to a realization TFA isn't that good.

This isnt like when George was in charge of the OG and did the PT 20 years later. Then ppl at least had hopes it would be good and he had the goodwill that ppl would stick with it. The current regime doesnt have that goodwill so after everything that went down before Solo came out and then seeing the trailer of course nobody thought it was gonna be good.

 

[CP1708]

I disagree, Solo was good. In fact it "surprised" people, but people still held TLJ against it. (?!?!?!?) People claimed it wasn't "needed" but that it was better than they expected etc.

My point was people were bashing Solo BEFORE it came out, then it was actually ok but damage already done and so on.

 

[Master Zik]

I mean even Lucasfilm/Disney know Solo wasn't all that of a good movie.

Made them scrap plans for other side movies not a part of a trilogy. I blame Solo for there not being a Obi-Wan movie.

 

[buschfan04]

It’s not better then the prequel trilogy storyline. Its funny CP still whines about people rightfully hating on the TlJ but hates on the prequel trilogy. No one wanted a solo movie because no one should play solo. Disney thought they were invincible with that movie

 

[djkona]

 

[Sinner]

Looks like a HotToys diorama.

 

[heatpinoyboy]

Lmao i thought it was a hot toys ad

8 is garbage through and through. No amount of rewatches or anything will change that about the film. Disney effed up major with 8 and I hope JJ somehow brings it all back.

 

[jaypesoz]

Hoping they move lizard-like and not just another human in costume, if that makes sense.

 

[vood99]

I disagree, Solo was good. In fact it "surprised" people, but people still held TLJ against it. (?!?!?!?) People claimed it wasn't "needed" but that it was better than they expected etc.

My point was people were bashing Solo BEFORE it came out, then it was actually ok but damage already done and so on.

I mean even Lucasfilm/Disney know Solo wasn't all that of a good movie.

Made them scrap plans for other side movies not a part of a trilogy. I blame Solo for there not being a Obi-Wan movie.

Solo was a generic sci-fi action film that was completely forgettable. Could've introduced some new characters in the Star Wars universe rather than tie it back to Han Solo and it would've fared much better to be honest.