A squat is a squat. If done correctly, it will increase one's vertical. The squat is an explosive movement. What powerlifters do aren't really squats considering they can't even squat down as a result of their suites. What most people in the gym emulate are powerlifting squats but, as with many things,it's because of a lack of knowledge or fear ( 'full squats will kill my knees', "I have bad knees").Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
Don't hate my honesty. Hate the ones who've been lying to you, while selling you the crap they said would make you big and strong. I am simply telling the truth.
I stated earlier, where all this got started, that you cannot increase your vertical leap simply by doing squats, isn't that true? I stated that if you want to increase your vert, that you should skip rope in between sets, so that you can stimulate the fast twitch muscles that are needed in order to jump higher. I also stated that YOU CAN ONLY JUMP AS HIGH, AS PER YOUR ABILITY TO LAND. Three individuals decided to suggest that I didn't know what I was talking about. However I cited the NSCA and American College of Sports Medicine, as the leading researchers in this study.
Do you know what A Static Spring Proficient Athlete is?
Well, cats are known as that, aka A SPECTACULAR ATHLETE.
A cat can be thrown in any direction and it will land on its feet. This means that when a cat springs forward, it is able to land safely, even from tremendous heights.
All tremendous leapers, and fast sprinters, are known as such as well.
You must be able to decelerate in order to run faster, and you must know how to land, in order to jump higher.
Body building squats, those that build mass, slow down this reaction, as they use a totally different system of movement.
That's all I was getting at, but you know the *knowitalls* on here........
The ACSM and NSCA of courseOriginally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
would you like to cite your sources, son?Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
oh god.Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
The study was done on all animals, including humans, speaking on athletic capabilities. Racehorses are considered athletes, and they are often compared to the human athlete as well. I didn't do the study, but I agree with the findings.. My point was that bodybuilding squats alone, do not increase your jumping ability. In fact, they hamper your jumping ability. So if YOUR theory on landing were correct, how does the body learn to ADAPT to the overload, without landing first? You must learn how to control the descent thru REACTIVE training first, using eccentric forces, before gaining strength for explosion.Originally Posted by Kicktionair
Didn't read past this
Humans are not cats
Cats have an internal balancing system which is more sophisticated than humans, so comparing humans to cats is just plain ridiculous. Not taking into account the difference in their musculoskeletal system.
and athletes that you say can jump high and land, you might be right but have you thought of the possibility that maybe when you achieve a higher jump you will achieve the landing capabilities too.
Would you like to debate it, son?
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
would you like to cite your sources, son?Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
oh god.Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
The study was done on all animals, including humans, speaking on athletic capabilities. Racehorses are considered athletes, and they are often compared to the human athlete as well. I didn't do the study, but I agree with the findings.. My point was that bodybuilding squats alone, do not increase your jumping ability. In fact, they hamper your jumping ability. So if YOUR theory on landing were correct, how does the body learn to ADAPT to the overload, without landing first? You must learn how to control the descent thru REACTIVE training first, using eccentric forces, before gaining strength for explosion.Originally Posted by Kicktionair
Didn't read past this
Humans are not cats
Cats have an internal balancing system which is more sophisticated than humans, so comparing humans to cats is just plain ridiculous. Not taking into account the difference in their musculoskeletal system.
and athletes that you say can jump high and land, you might be right but have you thought of the possibility that maybe when you achieve a higher jump you will achieve the landing capabilities too.
Would you like to debate it, son?
Originally Posted by damnitzdom
The ACSM and NSCA of courseOriginally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
would you like to cite your sources, son?Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
oh god.Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
The study was done on all animals, including humans, speaking on athletic capabilities. Racehorses are considered athletes, and they are often compared to the human athlete as well. I didn't do the study, but I agree with the findings.. My point was that bodybuilding squats alone, do not increase your jumping ability. In fact, they hamper your jumping ability. So if YOUR theory on landing were correct, how does the body learn to ADAPT to the overload, without landing first? You must learn how to control the descent thru REACTIVE training first, using eccentric forces, before gaining strength for explosion.Originally Posted by Kicktionair
Didn't read past this
Humans are not cats
Cats have an internal balancing system which is more sophisticated than humans, so comparing humans to cats is just plain ridiculous. Not taking into account the difference in their musculoskeletal system.
and athletes that you say can jump high and land, you might be right but have you thought of the possibility that maybe when you achieve a higher jump you will achieve the landing capabilities too.
Would you like to debate it, son?
I seriously don't get you.Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
Originally Posted by damnitzdom
The ACSM and NSCA of courseOriginally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
would you like to cite your sources, son?Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
oh god.Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
The study was done on all animals, including humans, speaking on athletic capabilities. Racehorses are considered athletes, and they are often compared to the human athlete as well. I didn't do the study, but I agree with the findings.. My point was that bodybuilding squats alone, do not increase your jumping ability. In fact, they hamper your jumping ability. So if YOUR theory on landing were correct, how does the body learn to ADAPT to the overload, without landing first? You must learn how to control the descent thru REACTIVE training first, using eccentric forces, before gaining strength for explosion.Originally Posted by Kicktionair
Didn't read past this
Humans are not cats
Cats have an internal balancing system which is more sophisticated than humans, so comparing humans to cats is just plain ridiculous. Not taking into account the difference in their musculoskeletal system.
and athletes that you say can jump high and land, you might be right but have you thought of the possibility that maybe when you achieve a higher jump you will achieve the landing capabilities too.
Would you like to debate it, son?
Damn right, those are my sources. But only those of us who can READ, know about it!
What do you think heavy low-rep squats recruit? Oh, that's right- fast-twitch muscle fibers.Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
would you like to cite your sources, son?Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
oh god.Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
The study was done on all animals, including humans, speaking on athletic capabilities. Racehorses are considered athletes, and they are often compared to the human athlete as well. I didn't do the study, but I agree with the findings.. My point was that bodybuilding squats alone, do not increase your jumping ability. In fact, they hamper your jumping ability. So if YOUR theory on landing were correct, how does the body learn to ADAPT to the overload, without landing first? You must learn how to control the descent thru REACTIVE training first, using eccentric forces, before gaining strength for explosion.Originally Posted by Kicktionair
Didn't read past this
Humans are not cats
Cats have an internal balancing system which is more sophisticated than humans, so comparing humans to cats is just plain ridiculous. Not taking into account the difference in their musculoskeletal system.
and athletes that you say can jump high and land, you might be right but have you thought of the possibility that maybe when you achieve a higher jump you will achieve the landing capabilities too.
Would you like to debate it, son?
Okay, let's do this.
Do you know what an over reliance on prolonged eecentric training does to the central nervous system? Doing body building squats, those that consist of SLOW DELIBERATE MOVEMENTS, are used to create SIZE, not SPEED. The formula is POWER = STRENGTH x SPEED. The same thing that will make you run fast, is the same system that will make you jump higher. The training that is necessary to increase both are called EXPLOSIVE and REACTIVE training. Bodybuilding squats, those that build mass, require time, repetitition. That is called your LIMIT strength.
Are you following this, I know that you are a bit ignorant, but I'll continue!
A few exercises that build your reactive strength are, skipping rope, which in fact help to increase your LANDING EFFICENCY, and ankle hops.
For the explosive movements, that would be CLEANS, SNATCHES movements that require FAST TWITCH, recruiting fast twitch fibers shocking the central nervous system.
Now, in sports like football, body building squats are important for position players. But those who are wide receivers, the ones who must jump, and run fast exclusively, do not NEED them in their training. However LINEMEN do, as they do very little jumping, but needing LIMIT STRENGTH to push, and hold position.
Now, this may be a bit much for you, as I know you only know, what you know.
You just cannot help it!
Go and chew on that, in fact? Go and mix it with your Aminos!
most likely. see if you can record yourself so you can see what's going on. usually it boils down to flexibity/mobility issues leading torounding of the lower back , which are best discovered with a form check.
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
What do you think heavy low-rep squats recruit? Oh, that's right- fast-twitch muscle fibers.Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
would you like to cite your sources, son?Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
Originally Posted by JOE CAMEL SMOOTH
oh god.Originally Posted by Dark Chocolate
The study was done on all animals, including humans, speaking on athletic capabilities. Racehorses are considered athletes, and they are often compared to the human athlete as well. I didn't do the study, but I agree with the findings.. My point was that bodybuilding squats alone, do not increase your jumping ability. In fact, they hamper your jumping ability. So if YOUR theory on landing were correct, how does the body learn to ADAPT to the overload, without landing first? You must learn how to control the descent thru REACTIVE training first, using eccentric forces, before gaining strength for explosion.Originally Posted by Kicktionair
Didn't read past this
Humans are not cats
Cats have an internal balancing system which is more sophisticated than humans, so comparing humans to cats is just plain ridiculous. Not taking into account the difference in their musculoskeletal system.
and athletes that you say can jump high and land, you might be right but have you thought of the possibility that maybe when you achieve a higher jump you will achieve the landing capabilities too.
Would you like to debate it, son?
Okay, let's do this.
Do you know what an over reliance on prolonged eecentric training does to the central nervous system? Doing body building squats, those that consist of SLOW DELIBERATE MOVEMENTS, are used to create SIZE, not SPEED. The formula is POWER = STRENGTH x SPEED. The same thing that will make you run fast, is the same system that will make you jump higher. The training that is necessary to increase both are called EXPLOSIVE and REACTIVE training. Bodybuilding squats, those that build mass, require time, repetitition. That is called your LIMIT strength.
Are you following this, I know that you are a bit ignorant, but I'll continue!
A few exercises that build your reactive strength are, skipping rope, which in fact help to increase your LANDING EFFICENCY, and ankle hops.
For the explosive movements, that would be CLEANS, SNATCHES movements that require FAST TWITCH, recruiting fast twitch fibers shocking the central nervous system.
Now, in sports like football, body building squats are important for position players. But those who are wide receivers, the ones who must jump, and run fast exclusively, do not NEED them in their training. However LINEMEN do, as they do very little jumping, but needing LIMIT STRENGTH to push, and hold position.
Now, this may be a bit much for you, as I know you only know, what you know.
You just cannot help it!
Go and chew on that, in fact? Go and mix it with your Aminos!
You lose.
P.S. Nobody said anything about "bodybuilding squats," don't try to change our words around. And enroll in some sort of English class at a local CC. Your writing is atrocious.
True, but you want to make sure you don't put your hands too close together. Just at or slightly inside shoulder with is perfect for allowing you to keep your elbows as close to your body as possible. This is mainly what will help you hit your tri's and handle a substanstial amount of weight.
