Steph Curry Appreciation .... Greatest All Time Shooter When he's Done

[HIM]

Nah man, it was laughable when the trade happened. My college roommate at the time (from Oakland) was just as mad about choosing Monta over Steph and he tried to tell me I didn't know what I was talking about when I said I would build around Steph 

Monta was never gonna lead a team to anything special. Curry always had the potential he was just fragile as hell.

 
You guys can talk all the trash you want.....there wasn't a single person on NT that could have predicted that Steph would be this good.  Not a one.

And context fellas, context.  At the time of those posts, Steph couldn't stay healthy to save his life.  He was Derrick Rose.  So while time and time again I have admitted the error in my ways, its not as if there was anyone thinking Steph would be an all star, let alone this good.  Period.

You hated him like 19 games into his career tho 

 There were definitely people who thought he would be good/a star; you just laughed at them when they said so.

Hes not very good. Period.

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Originally Posted by J23Diego

Thought he was going to be a double-double guy.

 

[pretty tony]

Better shooter than kyrie but not a better pg/all around player.

Welp

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

It has less to do with Steph and more to do with the fact that many Warriors fans were clamoring for Monta Ellis over Steph.

I think once that playoff run happened where they got eliminated by the Spurs happened, thats when everyone should have seen his ultimate ceiling coming.

I think the real shocker about the Steph Curry thing is he's become basically league average on defense, on offense he's basically doing what he did at Davidson.

Bingo.

We went through this already...

http://niketalk.com/t/507195/official-nba-2012-2013-season-thread/61000_20#post_17781159

probably in the minority but i wouldve kept monta instead of curry

Wholeheartedly agree.
Also, I think by trading Curry, we could have figured out a way to dump Andris. IMO, the package of Curry, Andris and Udoh (and Kwame if necessary for salaries) could have yielded as much, if not more than what we got for Monta, Kwame and Udoh.

Thank You!!! People continue to swear that Curry is the 2nd coming. Monta is/was a great play maker and passer. He just has to take on a huge scoring load when you had bums like Biedrins as your starting C. He has also expanded his 3 pt game. Giving up Udoh was hard, but at least we got Landry to fill the void.

Originally Posted by dland24  

Monta the playmaker/great passer?? Let's not get crazy now......

Monta is a playmaker. Theres no question about that. I assume the bolded is in response to him being a great passer. While I agree with you that he isnt a great passer, neither is Stephen Curry. In recent times, we have seen a ton of score first/slasher/drive-and-kick-out type point guards have a ton of success in this league. Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose (when healthy) are in pretty much everyone's top 5 PG lists, and neither of those guys are pass first point guards.

When looking at JUST distributing the ball and running the offense, there is no reason to think that Monta couldnt have been as good if not better than Steph.

 
Curry is trash; should've shipped him out instead of Monta.

Originally Posted by OneTrust  

Steph Curry creeping in

 what?? When has Curry EVER hit a game winner, let alone some clutch shots? Dudes are hella overrating steph here now i swear. I like the guy but he is no clutch player.

Edit: Monta seems to always get overlooked i see.

Man I'm a Warriors fan and Steph is overrated as hell on this board. He can shoot and score but still plays wack D and makes the dumbest passes in crunch time. He still tries to force too much. Then when we REALLY need him to score when we're in a slump and the game is close, he doesn't do it. No clutch bone in his body. Everyone wants to give Steph the credit for the Dubs being back in the playoffs but it's really more so because we have much better depth this year.

I STILL believe Monta is the better player and could've gotten us to the playoffs with this same team. Just my opinion so you Steph Curry fans don't get all crazy.

Can't forget about JA though. He ain't a GS fan, but he should still be included every time. Dude went allllll the way in on this ****. 

 

Curry is worth building around more than Monta?

Very big EHHHHHHHHH to me...

Monta also doesn't kill your team with his attitude. I'm an AI hater so I'll stop there.

Nash is a superb passer more than he is a great shooter, that's why they don't have him take 20 shots a game.

Curry isn't touching Nash in terms of play-making, plus they had great pieces around Nash.

Monta is 25, age really shouldn't factor into that decision. Curry is better? EHHHHHHHHHHHH once again..

Originally Posted by JapanAir21  

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Trading him IMO is the wrong move. You build around him, not Curry.

Who in their right mind would build around an undersized two guard whose best basketball ability is volume scoring, and can't play a lick of defense? Guy is a homeless man's Allen Iverson.

Who in their right mind would build around an undersized PG whose best basketball ability is shooting, and can't play a lick of defense?

Monta Ellis is efficient, AI isn't.

For Iguodala? I like.

Top 5 greatest post in S&T history...

Honestly? I'd throw everyone not named Monta under the bus.

Steph is nice, he has a great jumper, but can he be a starting PG of a contending playoff team? I don't know.

I've just seen too much from Monta to trade him. If we went to Dallas? I'd be enthused, 

 . But we have nothing they'd want. 

Monta can be the starting SG for a VERY good team. Dude is so money. He has the driving ability of Wade, with the midrange game of someone like Dirk. I'm a huge Monta guy. If this guy was put on a winning team? YIKES...

Trading him IMO is the wrong move. You build around him, not Curry.

 

 

[mr marcus]

Japan Air


Post were hilarious

 

[ny mavurs]

 

[mister friendly]

He's already the most transcendent player of all time in my opinion. In a league where kids all around the globe don't have a shot unless they hit a genetic jackpot. In a league where the 4 spot evolved into being stretched out to the perimeter. In a league where the point guard position involved into this hybrid type with elite athleticism. Kids all around the world are watching exactly how you can be the very best without being 6'8, blazing speed, and having the ability to jump through the roof. This will have an effect on future generations.

I was thinking this but didnt feel like trying to articulate it in the Megastar thread.

 

[big j 33]

 

[khalilmack52]

NT is full of hypocrites




I remember when most of the thread said that Warriors had hit their ceiling after round 2 loss to Spurs

 

[cashbanks]

He's already the most transcendent player of all time in my opinion. In a league where kids all around the globe don't have a shot unless they hit a genetic jackpot. In a league where the 4 spot evolved into being stretched out to the perimeter. In a league where the point guard position involved into this hybrid type with elite athleticism. Kids all around the world are watching exactly how you can be the very best without being 6'8, blazing speed, and having the ability to jump through the roof. This will have an effect on future generations.

He is literally flawless offensively. And he's started the year even more flawless than before.

Handles flawless
Passing flawless
IQ flawless
Ability to finish flawless
Off hand flawless
And top of everything he's the greatest shooter of all time. Set shooting. Off the dribble. From 10 feet from 30 feet. Whatever.
And then on top of allll that his creativity with everything listed. Flawless.

Unlike this board I absolutely love LeBron and have soaked in his greatness every time I've watched him throughtout his career. Steph is making me feel differently than I did/do when watching LeBron along with everyone else I've seen. I wasn't privileged enough to watch Jordan's entire career like I did LeBrons along with a list of other legends. If Steph sustains this, his overall impact on the game of basketball, game by game, has to be flirting with GOAT levels. It just has to be. If he sustains it.

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You mean like being the 6'3 son of a great NBA shooter?

 

[pretty tony]

Doesn't matter if he was the son of God. The point dude is making is that Steph is a transcendent talent. Every generation certain players come around with unique archetypes that kids follow. KG, T-Mac, AI to name a few.

Steph has become one now. Millions of kids are going to value shooting just as much as having a 40 inch vertical. I'm in youth sports and I've already seen kids WANTING to be like Steph so much that they're putting in a different effort into their shooting development that I didn't see 10 years ago.

 

[swoosh2345]

Well the hyperbole has officially reached asinine levels. And that's coming from someone who likes and enjoys this kid's game. And even as a person seems like a genuine good guy on the surface.

In this thread alone we have had ******s say:

Stephen Curry is either GOAT player or most Transcendent of all time?

I'd laugh if I wasn't throwing up in my mouth.

Listen he might be the greatest 3 point shooter ever because unlike some of the others his ability to dribble at an all time great level as well frees himself up out there off the dribble.

I can't say for certain he's better all around ... mid range shot included (which he isn't nearly as good at as MJ, Bird, Kobe and others) so best shooter ever is more difficult sell.

But Jesus fellas. He just had an all time great season, yes. Put up 25 ppg and 7 apg ... is an average defender who is saved by a number of great defenders on his own team.

He plays in a league now devoid of physical contact on the perimeter which greatly benefits his more average body and athleticism.

He plays in a pace and space league that benefits his strongest attribute with the long ball.

And all things considering ... he put up 2011 D Rose numbers on better efficiency but in a much higher pace offense with more weapons beside him to spread defensive attention out.

He didn't win Finals MVP and for 2 to 3 games was locked up by a journeyman bench former rugby player.

I can't forget this ... and what he is doing now while amazing is too small a sample size.

He's the best player at the position as we speak. But CP3 is still the best actual PG. And Westbrook's ability to defend and put up all around numbers better than Curry has him in the convo as well.

Nevermind the fact he hasn't strung multiple seasons like he did last year to the same extent as KD or Kobe. Let alone the truly greatest and transcendent players I've seen in my life time:

MJ and LeBron.

So those premature ejaculating of the incredible things Curry is doing on skill set alone need to stop.

He's still not the best actual player in the league. Not with LeBron, Anthony Davis dominating both sides of the rock. Healthy KD and he's pushed down even further.

Just appreciate what he is doing. The hyperbole some of you are spitting is disrespectful to the history of the games greats.

 

[mister friendly]

Steph had a much higher efficiency than 2011 Rose. He lead the NBA in steals so I think hes better than an average defender.

He was not locked up for 2 to 3 games in the NBA Finals, it was one game at best.

Why would Steph need a midrange shot for?

And no Jordan or Kobe aren't close to him in terms of pure shooting.

 

[swoosh2345]

Curry wasn't the best player on his own team the majority of the series. And yes a bum gave him issues with just slight amounts of physicality in a game or two. Where was Curry's 40 and 50 point games abusing a man who will surely be out the league in a season or two. And will only come off the bench ...

Racking up steals doesn't alwaya equate to being a good defender. At least now how Curry gets them. Some gamble in passing lanes. Using that logic Iverson was a great defender too. Curry benefits from more lock down principle guys like Iguodala and Klay on the perimeter. So he can gamble more defensively.

Acting like Steph is a good defender would be ridiculous. Even a hobbled Kyrie in game 1 of the Finals was giving him some work. He's not going to lock anyone down.

CP3 however can do that.

And I said he put up 2011 Rose numbers on better efficiency. I also said that efficiency is aided by a much more free flowing offense and better talent around him compared to what Derrick was working with and the offensive system he was playing in.

Context.

A mid range jumper is proven to be what wins in the playoffs. Curry being an outlier and same with last year's Warriors as a whole. Live by the 3 and die by the 3.

Mid range jumpers matter. In the playoffs when teams don't allow easy buckets at the rim. And contest more threes. Plus the game slows down and becomes more a half court slug fest.

If you want to say Curry us a better pure shooter than MJ or Kobe that's fine. But it is mainly due to the long ball. MJ and Kobe were easily better mid range shooters. Thus better scorers because they could hit the long ball as well if given to them. It wasn't exclusively their bread and butter.

Let us be honest, the Warriors were lucky Love and Kyrie were injured in the Finals last year. Otherwise this whole long ball fascination would have ended their season in an L.

LeBron on his lonesome with bums almost took them 7 games. That's being the games greatest player.

 

[Peep Game]

What a franchise changing move that was keeping Curry and trading Monta just thinking about what could've happened had it been the opposite

 

[addict4sneakers]

You don't need to score 40 when you have to be doubled teamed out to half court which creates a 4 on 3 opportunity for your teammates.

 

[cashbanks]

Well the hyperbole has officially reached asinine levels. And that's coming from someone who likes and enjoys this kid's game. And even as a person seems like a genuine good guy on the surface.

In this thread alone we have had ******s say:

Stephen Curry is either GOAT player or most Transcendent of all time?

I'd laugh if I wasn't throwing up in my mouth.

Listen he might be the greatest 3 point shooter ever because unlike some of the others his ability to dribble at an all time great level as well frees himself up out there off the dribble.

I can't say for certain he's better all around ... mid range shot included (which he isn't nearly as good at as MJ, Bird, Kobe and others) so best shooter ever is more difficult sell.

But Jesus fellas. He just had an all time great season, yes. Put up 25 ppg and 7 apg ... is an average defender who is saved by a number of great defenders on his own team.

He plays in a league now devoid of physical contact on the perimeter which greatly benefits his more average body and athleticism.

He plays in a pace and space league that benefits his strongest attribute with the long ball.

And all things considering ... he put up 2011 D Rose numbers on better efficiency but in a much higher pace offense with more weapons beside him to spread defensive attention out.

He didn't win Finals MVP and for 2 to 3 games was locked up by a journeyman bench former rugby player.

I can't forget this ... and what he is doing now while amazing is too small a sample size.

He's the best player at the position as we speak. But CP3 is still the best actual PG. And Westbrook's ability to defend and put up all around numbers better than Curry has him in the convo as well.

Nevermind the fact he hasn't strung multiple seasons like he did last year to the same extent as KD or Kobe. Let alone the truly greatest and transcendent players I've seen in my life time:

MJ and LeBron.

So those premature ejaculating of the incredible things Curry is doing on skill set alone need to stop.

He's still not the best actual player in the league. Not with LeBron, Anthony Davis dominating both sides of the rock. Healthy KD and he's pushed down even further.

Just appreciate what he is doing. The hyperbole some of you are spitting is disrespectful to the history of the games greats.

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[pretty tony]

You don't need to score 40 when you have to be doubled teamed out to half court which creates a 4 on 3 opportunity for your teammates.

Right. If he's not a threat, it doesn't enable the other guys who were "better" than him to flourish.

 

[mister friendly]

How often do you see 40 or 50 points game in the NBA Finals?

You know darn well Derrick Rose could play with the 1992 Dream Team and not come close to being as efficent as Steph Curry is.

The midrange jumper is the worst shot in Basketball...youre confusing it with a fadeaway jumper or turnaround jumper which is basically a post move.

I said hes better than an average defender that doesn't automatically go to me saying he's a great defender.

You're also dismissing the gravity that Steph Curry has...teams having face guard 25 feet from the basket opens the whole floor and gets his teammates easy baskets.

I understand your views, you are used to the old NBA paradigm but Steph Curry is changing that paradigm.

 

[swoosh2345]

Right. If he's not a threat, it doesn't enable the other guys who were "better" than him to flourish.

Straw man, much?

Where did I say those others guys on his team were better than him or that Curry isn't a threat?

Other great players draw the same attention and still put up numbers ... and still are clearly the best player on their team in a series while winning Finals MVP. Don't make excuses.

Obviously Curry's threat frees up others. So while he was facing the double teams you're acting like ... if he was GOAT he would have had some Magic, Isiah, Stockton, Kidd or Nash type or better assist numbers in that Finals series right?

Point is a journey man bench player for a while was giving him fits. That's without the exaggerated double or triple team help you're insinuating. Yet no 40 or 50 point games.

And if he dominated passing given the attention the mere threat of his long ball presents ... he would've been the best player on his team that series and won Finals MVP, no?

You have idiots in here saying Curry is GOAT, or most transcendent player ever ... or even comments that reflect no basketball knowledge when they say mid range game doesn't matter?

Btw tell that to James Harden. He's learned first hand in the playoffs as a massive disappointment that drive / flops and three pointers exclusively make production in better defended as well as less tightly officiated games fall off a cliff.

Mid range shots are there for the taking in the slowed down, drag em out playoff games. It's a skill set that can kill defenses.

And no I'm not exclusively referring to fade away jumpers. I'm talking drive and pull up between the foul line and the arc.

All these outlandish Curry compliments being GOAT etc yet you only had a problem with me brining a dose of reality and context to the Curry hyperbole and koolaid sipping?

Gotcha bro.

 

[mister friendly]

Wait isnt this the Steph Curry Appreciation post?

Why dont you make a Steph/Warriors Haters thread?

 

[crazydav0]

as with anything ... those late to the party will overreact ... 

plenty of correct statements in here ... but plenty ridiculous false statements in here as well ... 

Curry - Top 3 player in the NBA ... fact ... 

Best shooter in the league ... fact ... 

Did someone really say MJ has a better pull up ... what are you evidencing that on? ... let's be serious ... 

So because he shoots off the dribble, he doesn't have a good mid range, or he cannot shoot on screens, or he doesn't have a great pull up ... 

Once again ... i'll defer to the stat heads to do a real breakdown ... 

Curry has to do this for a couple of more years but let's not act like dude is blowing the roof off coventional wisdom with his ridiculous offensvie skillset 

Did he look shook against Delladova ... YES he did but he shook out of it and did his thing ...

This is not about his MVP last year, non-finals MVP, chris paul ...

This is about a guy who has a 0.4 second release on his shot and cannot be stopped ...

He's a matchup nightmare ... appreciate his game for what it is ... revisit when dude retires ... is it too early to say transcendent ... maybe but

look what he doing right now ... no shooter has been feared like this ... NO ONE ...

In my own opinion, Ray allen is the best i've ever seen ... GAME 6 put an exclamination on that ... but Curry is already 1B ...

i'm using the eye test and he is a monster ... and i have no problem with anyone that thinks he's the best player in the NBA ...  his offensive repertoire is that good ... there is a reason there is an article about we've never seen this before or haven't seen this in 20, 30 years + ... it's warranted 

 

[addict4sneakers]

them double teaming him leads to a greater impact than raw assist numbers. If steph get doubled at half court and he stretches it to get iggy into a position to throw a skip pass, does all of this not result from stephs presence?

And I'm not understand how 26 and is getting locked up. Dirk had bad shooting performances in the finals but yet was still clearly the best player on the court. Kobe shot like cheeks in a game 7 close out game

 

[pretty tony]

Right. If he's not a threat, it doesn't enable the other guys who were "better" than him to flourish.

Did you not start your post off with "Curry was not their best player" for the majority of the series?

 

[swoosh2345]

Did you not start your post off with "Curry was not their best player" for the majority of the series?

THE SERIES

 

[swoosh2345]

Did someone really say MJ has a better pull up ... what are you evidencing that on? ... let's be serious ... 

Your username is fitting. It bothered you less someone called him the GOAT? Better than the guy you're comparing him to right here?

And yes Jordan absolutely had a better pull up from mid range. It's not even a question.