The 2014-2015 NBA Season Thread. Lock It Up Please: The Golden State Warriors Are The Champions

[anomolie]

Happy Birthday to Unappreciated Lebron James. Most disrespected great player of this generation.

 

[shoeking2101]

Happy Birthday to Unappreciated Lebron James. Most disrespected great player of this generation.

Title belongs to Chris Paul now

 

[sea manup]

 

thing is no one is comparing him to the jeremy lins and jrues of the world, we are talking about chris paul vs other pgs that can be considered top 5 all time and when talking about these kinds of players everyone's teams are constatently winning. but none of these guys play for 50 win seasons, they all play for a championship. which is why only the best players tend to end up winning championships.

it is impossible to break how someone effects the outcome of a basketball game down into a single number. when comparing all these pgs who have careers full of winning im not going to look at a single number and say "oh chris paul accounted for more of his teams wins than nash did"

How many elite PGs have championship? Especially in the modern NBA? While you're thinking of the 2 person list, how many HOFers were on each of those teams??

championships are not the only thing im looking at, and most people are not even asking that much of him

chris paul hasnt gotten out of the SECOND ROUND. which is one of the reasons i have other no ring guys like nash and stockton ahead of him 

 

[dt43]

To be quite honest, it's starting to look like Lebron messed up going to Miami.

Wade and Bosh right now, are still better than Love and Irving, both statistically and off the court as leaders. They just got burnt out a little bit in the Finals but that doesn't mean you jump ship and leave your boys hanging..


And it was all but confirmed by Lebatard that Pau Gasol was set to sign with Miami on a discount, had Lebron stayed. Gasol is an All-Star this year averaging 18/11, can you imagine Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Pau right now :x

 

[anomolie]

Title belongs to Chris Paul now

Nah man even with the rings he's still greatly disrespected.

 

[urbetterthenme]

To be quite honest, it's starting to look like Lebron messed up going to Miami.

Wade and Bosh right now, are still better than Love and Irving, both statistically and off the court as leaders. They just got burnt out a little bit in the Finals but that doesn't mean you jump ship and leave your boys hanging..

And it was all but confirmed by Lebatard that Pau Gasol was set to sign with Miami on a discount, had Lebron stayed. Gasol is an All-Star this year averaging 18/11, can you imagine Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Pau right now

You right.

 

[shoeking2101]

championships are not the only thing im looking at, and most people are not even asking that much of him

chris paul hasnt gotten out of the SECOND ROUND. which is one of the reasons i have other no ring guys like nash and stockton ahead of him 

This is dumb. Nash, Stockton, Paul, all haven't won a ring.

Making it past the 2nd round doesn't mean anything if we're talking about winning actual championships. You don't get anything for making the WCF

 

[urbetterthenme]

Why don't we talk about Kenyon Martin? Granted the draft class was weak, but dude didn't do much

 

[anomolie]

I think in the long term Bron will be okay. I knew they were gonna struggle at first but will get better in time.

 

[coldcity]

To be quite honest, it's starting to look like Lebron messed up going to Miami.

Wade and Bosh right now, are still better than Love and Irving, both statistically and off the court as leaders. They just got burnt out a little bit in the Finals but that doesn't mean you jump ship and leave your boys hanging..


And it was all but confirmed by Lebatard that Pau Gasol was set to sign with Miami on a discount, had Lebron stayed. Gasol is an All-Star this year averaging 18/11, can you imagine Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Pau right now :x

glad that ***** left so we got that disco Pau is cookin

 

[shenggg]

 

[byrd31]

 
Not going to dispute that all-time argument. If you really are a legitimate top 10-15 player ever, you'll probably be able to get a ring.

But for the sake of argument...

Tony Parker has four rings. I get that he played in possibly the best environment possible, but to me he's still not a better individual player than someone like Iverson or Chris Paul. If by some crazy chance the Spurs were able to trade TP for the pick that became CP3, are you really saying that what your eyes have shown you from watching him all these years the Spurs wouldn't have been just as, if not more, successful? Just saying.

I think Parker was a perfect fit for the Spurs. He became more agressive when we needed an scorer. He took over most of the offensive work load when Timmy and Manu got older. 

I do consider CP3 the best PG in the leauge, but he is more of a facilitator than a number one scoring option. 

 

[sea manup]

 

championships are not the only thing im looking at, and most people are not even asking that much of him

chris paul hasnt gotten out of the SECOND ROUND. which is one of the reasons i have other no ring guys like nash and stockton ahead of him 

This is dumb. Nash, Stockton, Paul, all haven't won a ring.

Making it past the 2nd round doesn't mean anything if we're talking about winning actual championships. You don't get anything for making the WCF

its like the 4th, 5th and 12th place finishers in a race dont get medals, but that doesnt mean they are all on equal grounds

i would love to talk about winning actual championships, but unfortunately very very few pgs have been able to be the best player on a championship team so we are left to talk about playoff rounds that dont result in a trophy and parade 

 

[Chester McFloppy]

[thread="608612"] rings are not the only thign to look at, ok what does chris paul have? any sorta MVP?  even all star MVP? or has taking over big games and crazy game winners? none, no thing. [/thread]

He was the 2013 NBA All-Star Game MVP.

 

[sea manup]

 

kyrie > cp-5 

 

 

[freeze]

this is always be one of the goat responses...




50 said go head and switch my style up








son the hood doh......dying

 

[imlive365]

To be quite honest, it's starting to look like Lebron messed up going to Miami.

Wade and Bosh right now, are still better than Love and Irving, both statistically and off the court as leaders. They just got burnt out a little bit in the Finals but that doesn't mean you jump ship and leave your boys hanging..


And it was all but confirmed by Lebatard that Pau Gasol was set to sign with Miami on a discount, had Lebron stayed. Gasol is an All-Star this year averaging 18/11, can you imagine Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Pau right now :x

Messed up going to Miami? Or leaving Miami?

 

[coldcity]

To be quite honest, it's starting to look like Lebron messed up going to Miami.

Wade and Bosh right now, are still better than Love and Irving, both statistically and off the court as leaders. They just got burnt out a little bit in the Finals but that doesn't mean you jump ship and leave your boys hanging..


And it was all but confirmed by Lebatard that Pau Gasol was set to sign with Miami on a discount, had Lebron stayed. Gasol is an All-Star this year averaging 18/11, can you imagine Wade/Lebron/Bosh/Pau right now :x

Messed up going to Miami? Or leaving Miami?

leaving

 

[shenggg]

He was the 2013 NBA All-Star Game MVP.

OK? is that a big accomplishment?

 

[shenggg]

 
kyrie > cp-5 

 

why he cp-5 lol?

 

[anomolie]

As much as I love Chris Paul buddy is regressing. Right now you can argue Conley is out playing him as well.

 

[do work son]

i knew this argument felt familiar

from may:http://niketalk.com/t/571782/2013-2014-nba-thread-ind-was-and-okc-lac-on-espn/122700#post_20584930

here are some numbers for you to think about:

through their first 9 seasons in the league, (paul is in his 9th year, parker is in his 13th)

paul has played in 51 less games than tony parker.
in that same span, paul scored 383 more points, 511 more rebounds, 2340 more assists, and 850 more steals, granted while playing 51 less games, paul played 385 more minutes.
in that span, tony parker had a PER of 18.3. Chris Paul had a PER of 25.6.

in the playoffs it gets tricky because parker had played in 132 playoff games to chris paul's 50. if you take their per game averages:

parker : 18.7 points, 3.2 rebounds, 4.9 assists, .9 steals and 2.8 turnovers 48% on 2pta, 29% on 3pta and 70.4% FT PER 16.5.
paul: 20.5 points, 4.9 rebounds, 9.6 assists, 2.3 steals, and 3.0 turnovers 50% on 2pta, 39% on 3pta and 81.6% FT PER 25.3.

with all that said, what exactly does tony parker do better than chris paul, other than have the luxury to play on a better team?

from 3 weeks ago:

Anyways, in the playoffs:

Player A: 18.9 points, 5.3 assists, 3 rebounds, .9 steals 46% and 31% from 3

Player B: 20.6, 9.7, 4.8, 2.4 48% and 38% from 3

Who you taking?

You can't discredit Chris Paul by saying he hasn't had enough playoff success, then downplay the comparison of numbers against someone who does fulfill your criteria of playoff success. It's only a point to emphasize circumstance. Had Chris Paul been on the Spurs, he would likely have the same playoff success Tony Parker. But instead, he's a "perennial loser".

 

[offset pow clow]

its like the 4th, 5th and 12th place finishers in a race dont get medals, but that doesnt mean they are all on equal grounds

i would love to talk about winning actual championships, but unfortunately very very few pgs have been able to be the best player on a championship team so we are left to talk about playoff rounds that dont result in a trophy and parade 

So billups is better than cp3

6 straight conference finals, 1 ring, top5 right?

 

[urbetterthenme]

 
As much as I love Chris Paul buddy is regressing. Right now you can argue Conley is out playing him as well.

By stats? You tell me how and I'll destroy as to him he isn't.

 

[wavycrocket]

I'm just curious as to how y'all can say CP3 is regressing? Dude is averaging 18ppg 10apg & 5rpg 2spg and 2topg on almost 50% 40% 90% on a 21 win team.

I swear...popular opinion and message boards hypnotizes you dudes minds.

I'm not even a per guy but he's 2nd behind Steph curry in per, and somehow he's not good anymore? Smh