The 2014-2015 NBA Season Thread. Lock It Up Please: The Golden State Warriors Are The Champions

[trueprada]

KG

 

[do work son]

Since joining the Clips, hasn't Mr. Paul turned the ball over more in the playoffs than the regular season, had fewer assists, and shot the ball at worse percentages?


Hasn't he also had more games with a negative +/- rating (17) than positive (13)?


With the added help, shouldn't his game have elevated instead of deteriorated when the postseason rolled around?

 at "assists" and "turnovers"

only simpletons use regular non advanced stats

Oooh I have some of them there advanced stats, too!

Chris Paul's Win Shares (these are very important) the last three playoff runs with the Clips: 0.9, 1.2, 1.9

Tony "Scrub Stats" Parker had Win Shares of: 1.4, 2.4, and 1.1.

That seems bad!

Win shares are accumulated. So more games would theoretically lead to more win shares. So the fact that Paul had very similar win shares to Tony Parker in fewer games is more a credit to Paul even though that's the opposite of what you're trying to prove.

as far as PER goes, you're playing significantly better teams, so most players PERs would drop i'd assume. Lebron's did for his 2 championship years.

 

[xbiker47]

That wrestling video of Malone

 

[Chester McFloppy]

as far as PER goes, you're playing significantly better teams, so most players PERs would drop i'd assume. Lebron's did for his 2 championship years.

Doesn't seem to be that way for everyone. Russ' PER actually goes up in the playoffs. KD's is 0.2 lower.

Dirk's goes up damn near 2 points.

 

[shenggg]

 

[do work son]

as far as PER goes, you're playing significantly better teams, so most players PERs would drop i'd assume. Lebron's did for his 2 championship years.

Doesn't seem to be that way for everyone. Russ' PER actually goes up in the playoffs. KD's is 0.2 lower.

Dirk's goes up damn near 2 points.

seems to be a case by case thing. but since you brought up parker and paul's win shares, then side stepped that to PER and how chris pauls drops from the playoffs to regular season i thought it would be fun to look at this comparison too:

tony parker's best 3 regular seasons by PER are 23.4, 23, and 22.

chris paul's worst 3 are 22, 22.1, 23.7, 2 of those being his 1st two years in the league.

tony parker did have a 29.3 PER in the playoffs one year (lost in the 1st round in 5 games). chris paul had a PER of 30 for an entire season

chris paul's playoff career PER is 25, to tony parker's 17.2. regular season is 25.6 to 19.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Holy crap, Chris Paul really is Peyton Manning (minus the individual accolades and records).

Regular season superstar.

 

[shoeking2101]

seems to be a case by case thing. but since you brought up parker and paul's win shares, then side stepped that to PER and how chris pauls drops from the playoffs to regular season i thought it would be fun to look at this comparison too:

tony parker's best 3 regular seasons by PER are 23.4, 23, and 22.

chris paul's worst 3 are 22, 22.1, 23.7, 2 of those being his 1st two years in the league.

tony parker did have a 29.3 PER in the playoffs one year (lost in the 1st round in 5 games). chris paul had a PER of 30 for an entire season

chris paul's playoff career PER is 25, to tony parker's 17.2. regular season is 25.6 to 19.

Sheesh

 

[mister friendly]

Chris Paul's PER

The goal is to win the f******g game

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Chris Paul's PER

The goal is to win the f******g game

He efficiently loses in the playoffs tho.

 

[galaxynexus]

Chris Paul's PER

The goal is to win the f******g game

Easier to reach your goal when you have Tim Duncan.

 

[mr marcus]

Blake aint that playoff "big" man

honestly I don't know how to explain that **** but he aint 

 

[bowb4me]

Chris Paul's PER

The goal is to win the f******g game

Ha ha ha. It's not his fault though. It's everyone else.

 

[galaxynexus]

Kawhi > Melo, Durant, etc.

Clearly.

Playoffs / rings >

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Chris Paul's PER

The goal is to win the f******g game

Easier to reach your goal when you have Tim Duncan.

I guess the sixth man of the year, All-NBA 2nd team Blake Griffin, and Doc Rivers are scrubs.

Get Chris Paul more help!!!

 

[bonafide hustla]

i watch all this commentary and its puzzling to me how coaching/infastructure aren't brought up a lot more. but w/e, cook on

 

[galaxynexus]

I guess the sixth man of the year, All-NBA 2nd team Blake Griffin, and Doc Rivers are scrubs.

Duncan >
Ginobili >
Popovich >

Comparatively they're no match. But yes, CP3 should take the blame and TP should reap the windfall. Awesome.

Eli > Peyton.

Dat Chester logic

 

[do work son]

Chris Paul's PER

The goal is to win the f******g game

Easier to reach your goal when you have Tim Duncan.

and manu...and pop...and kawhi, and probably the deepest team in the league...but those things don't matter. it's all chris paul's fault.

i'm not even trying to make it sound like parker is a bum and paul is the best player ever. it's just fact, by any metric chris paul is better than tony parker. it's a team game, the best team usually wins. chris paul not being on the best team doesn't negate his claim for being one of the best players.

i get it though. it's NT and it's funnier to call a player a loser and a bum.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

I guess the sixth man of the year, All-NBA 2nd team Blake Griffin, and Doc Rivers are scrubs.

Duncan >
Ginobili >
Popovich >

Comparatively they're no match. But yes, CP3 should take the blame and TP should reap the windfall. Awesome.

Eli > Peyton.

Dat Chester logic

Nah, Peyton actually has MVPs and accolades to go along with his ring.

CP3 has a 2013 All-Star MVP trophy.

But keep trying to figure out 'dat Chester logic.'

 

[shoeking2101]

and manu...and pop...and kawhi, and probably the deepest team in the league...but those things don't matter. it's all chris paul's fault.

i'm not even trying to make it sound like parker is a bum and paul is the best player ever. it's just fact, by any metric chris paul is better than tony parker. it's a team game, the best team usually wins. chris paul not being on the best team doesn't negate his claim for being one of the best players.

i get it though. it's NT and it's funnier to call a player a loser and a bum.

Pretty much all of this. As i've said before, personal hate / judgement interferes with actual logical arguments.

 

[jpzx]

Hornets center Al Jefferson out for foreseeable future with groin strain


By Rick Bonnell
Posted: Tuesday, Dec. 30, 2014

The Charlotte Hornets have lost their center and leading scorer, and Al Jefferson’s absence might not be a short-term thing.

Jefferson left Monday’s home game against the Milwaukee Bucks with about seven minutes left in the fourth quarter after aggravating a groin strain. Jefferson did not return to the overtime loss and could not practice Tuesday.

Jefferson is definitely out for Wednesday’s road game against the Houston Rockets. Coach Steve Clifford doesn’t anticipate a quick comeback from Jefferson.

"Í don’t know how long, but it’s going to be more than one or two games," Clifford said following practice Tuesday. "They’re still trying to figure it out, but this is not one or two days."

Jefferson had a magnetic resonance imaging Tuesday morning to re-evaluate the extent of the injury. Clifford said Monday that doctors didn’t think Jefferson was in danger of further injury by trying to play with this groin strain.

Even before Monday, Clifford said Jefferson was "laboring" through games. An 18 points-per-game scorer, Jefferson totaled six points in 28 minutes Monday, shooting 3-of-12 from the field.

The Hornets run their offense through Jefferson, one of the top low-post scoring threats in the NBA. In his absence they will have to rely more heavily on guards Kemba Walker and Gerald Henderson to carry the scoring load.

"The ball-movement aspect will have to be a bigger part of it," Clifford said. "We’ll still post up some – you have to throw it in there sometimes – but the post-up part of it won’t be as big a part of our offensive game."

Even with Jefferson the Hornets are far from an elite offensive team. They rank 24th among 30 NBA teams in scoring (100.1 points per game) and 25th in field-goal percentage (43.1 percent).

Clifford plans to start Bismack Biyombo at center in Jefferson’s absence. The other options at center are Jason Maxiell and Cody Zeller. Zeller starts at power forward. The other options at that position are Marvin Williams, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and rookie Noah Vonleh.

In reaction to Jefferson’s injury, the Hornets will cut short Vonleh’s assignment to the NBA’s Development League. Clifford said Vonleh would meet the team in Houston and be available to play against the Rockets.

The Hornets expected to be in playoff contention this season, but have struggled to a 10-22 record a third of the way through the season.

Jefferson was a break-through free-agent signing in the summer of 2013. He led the then-Bobcats to a 43-29 record and an unexpected playoff appearance in the spring of 2014. He was named third-team All-NBA last June.

The Hornets are also missing shooting guard Lance Stephenson, out the past seven games with a pelvic sprain. Stephenson did some running at practice Tuesday, but isn’t close to being ready to play a game.

He’s yet to be cleared for any drills involving change-of-direction or planting off one leg.

 

[do work son]

I guess the sixth man of the year, All-NBA 2nd team Blake Griffin, and Doc Rivers are scrubs.

Duncan >
Ginobili >
Popovich >

Comparatively they're no match. But yes, CP3 should take the blame and TP should reap the windfall. Awesome.

Eli > Peyton.

Dat Chester logic

Nah, Peyton actually has MVPs and accolades to go along with his ring.

CP3 has a 2013 All-Star MVP trophy.

But keep trying to figure out 'dat Chester logic.'

russell wilson is better than andrew luck. russell wilson wins in the playoffs and andrew luck throws picks and loses.

russell wilson has a ring, and all andrew luck has to show was leading the regular season in TDs. what a loser.

 

[galaxynexus]

Nah, Peyton actually has MVPs and accolades to go along with his ring.

CP3 has a 2013 All-Star MVP trophy.

But keep trying to figure out 'dat Chester logic.'

It's CP3s fault he played in an era that was dominated by Kobe and LeBron? What does that have to do with CP3's greatness? So you'd be hating less if the narrative those 1-4 years led CP3 to win an MVP?

Rose > CP3?

Those accolades!!!!!!!

 

[mister friendly]

If you're the supposedly top point guard in the league year after year you should eventually get past the 2nd round

All those all time great point guards have at least make it past the 2nd round

Miss me with that participation everybody cant be a winner s******, this f******NBA, you get paid to win!

 

[shoeking2101]

If you're the supposedly top point guard in the league year after year you should eventually get past the 2nd round

All those all time great point guards have at least make it past the 2nd round

Miss me with that participation everybody cant be a winner s******, this f******NBA, you get paid to win!

They don't have rings. Neither does Paul. The end.

Bruh, for the last time you don't win **** by "making it past the 2nd round" god damn and btw you get paid by the way in which you perform and your earning capacity, not "to win"