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Freeman is the truth...I hop he stays for like 2-3 years.....
Freeman is the truth...I hop he stays for like 2-3 years.....
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def should, not the prototypical top NBA prospect
ps...watch out for Dionte Christmas tomorrow night
No Zoubek...what a crushing blow
ps...watch out for Dionte Christmas tomorrow night
No Zoubek...what a crushing blow
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Waste of a Scholly....
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I had no idea that was Richard Hendrix out there on the court when I turned on the Gators v. 'Bama game last night. He has put in some serious work inthe weight room/kitchen since his freshman year.
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Waste of seven feet
True in both cases
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jayhawks champs of 08
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to be fair to him... when's the last time that staff developed someone 6'10 or over???
edit...anyone remember the 7'6 kid that played UNC last year.....Kenny George on NC Asheville, plays them again tonight
he actually is averaging 13 and 9 with 5 blocks...he goes 360 lbs too
edit...anyone remember the 7'6 kid that played UNC last year.....Kenny George on NC Asheville, plays them again tonight
he actually is averaging 13 and 9 with 5 blocks...he goes 360 lbs too
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So I should be getting paid by now for posting all these Ken Pomeroy stories from bp.com but it's really the only site worth reading anymore about collegehoops imo... so here's another one about Memphis' chances of going undefeated.
Undefeatable?
Memphis Takes on History
by Ken Pomeroy
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The last time the college hoops worls witnessed a perfect run into the NCAA Tournament was in 1991, when UNLV's team turned the trick. That squad enteredthe season under a unique set of circumstances: they were defending champs after having won the title game by the most convincing margin in the history of thesport. They had a controversial coach who had improbably reversed an NCAA postseason ban for the '91 season during the offseason. They had a dominantstarting lineup, featuring three future NBA starters, all of whom were at least 22 years old, and all of whom returned for a senior season that they had doubtswould result in postseason play when they made their decision to stay. On top of that the Rebels played in the Big West Conference, which at the time was onlyslightly stronger that the current version. In other words, most of their games were not interesting. Only three of their 21 games against conference opponentsthat season were decided by fewer than 20 points, none by single digits.
Despite that perfect storm, we know that UNLV lost in the national semifinals, failing to cap a perfect season. I remember hating the Rebels that year. It wasnothing personal against Greg Anthony, Larry Johnson or the amoeba defense. It was that as a team, they were taking away what was great about collegebasketball--that even the best teams have to lose sometime.
Ultimately, it all worked out. UNLV, with one of the best starting lineups the game has seen, against one of the weaker schedules an elite team could play,could not win all of their games. Of course, had Greg Anthony not fouled out of that semifinal game against Duke (he averaged fewer than two fouls per gamethat season, by the way) things might have turned out differently. That further illustrates the point, though. It takes an incredible amount of talent,circumstance and friendly fortune to produce an unbeaten season in the March Madness era.
With that as a backdrop, it would seem unfathomable for Memphis to go unbeaten this season. However, Memphis has some things in common with the Rebels.They're a strong team playing in a weak conference, and despite John Calipari's best efforts, their non-conference slate hasn't been terriblyimposing.
After their 90-53 win over Pepperdine on Saturday, the Tigers sit at 13-0 as they prepare to play East Carolina tonight to open their Conference USA schedule,a slate they rolled through without a blemish last season. So naturally, the discussion of an undefeated season heading into the NCAA Tournament has begun inearnest. While an undefeated run up to Selection Sunday is a realistic notion, it's not by any means a foregone conclusion.
It may come as a surprise, but despite the fact that Memphis has high-profile non-conference games remaining against Gonzaga and Tennessee, the teams mostlikely to add a blemish to the Tigers' record are probably within their own conference. In CUSA's unbalanced schedule, two of the five teams they playtwice are possibly the second- and third-best teams in the league: UAB and Houston. It's almost certain they'll have to play at least one of them athird time in the CUSA Tourney.
In the case of UAB, it's not simply a matter of opportunities that the Blazers have the best overall shot and obstructing history. Using the latest editionof the Pomeroy Ratings and the log5 formula, Memphis' game at UAB is their biggest chance for an upset loss the rest of the way (Memphis has an 81% chanceof winning). Primarily because the games against Gonzaga and Tennessee are at home, they're looked at as better chances for a Memphis win (87% and 83%,respectively). Of course these figures are not precise measurements. We can't truly know what Memphis' chance of winning each game is, but this methodgives a realistic estimate of the future assuming the lineups of both Memphis and their opponents remain steady.
Most importantly, there's a basic statistical lesson here. Even though Memphis will be a solid favorite to win each game the rest of the season,they're not a favorite to win all of their remaining games collectively. Based on the percentages created by this method, they have about a 35% chance togo 31-0. That doesn't even include the three wins the Tigers will need to get in the CUSA Tourney. Going into last season's conference tourney, I hadMemphis at an 87% chance to win it. If CUSA maintains its current structure, it might be slightly more difficult this season, but given that the tournamentwill again be at the FedEx Forum, Memphis will be a heavy favorite to win. However, a 15% chance of not winning a CUSA championship means that Memphis'chance at getting to 34-0 entering the NCAA Tournament is just 30%. Finally, even if they're the favorite to win the NCAA Tournament, their chances ofdoing so will be about 30%, putting their chances of a perfect 40-0 season at around 10%.
That last figure really puts it in perspective. There are a lot of things going for Memphis this season. They could be the best team in the nation, playing ina weak conference, with their toughest non-conference games at home. They may well be favored in every remaining game--even in the Final Four should they getthere--and yet they have just a one-in-ten shot of winning every game on their schedule.
Should the zero still be in the loss column into February, we'll start to hear the obligatory stories about whether a loss would be good for the Tigers. Iwill be laughing at those stories. Not because the argument isn't plausible (although one-loss teams have had a worse post-season track record thanunbeaten teams over the past 40 years), but because a loss would prevent the Tigers from achieving the kind of history that transcends winning a nationaltitle.
Based on the lesson provided by UNLV, a reasonable guess at Memphis' chances of a perfect season, and assuming that there will be a persistent increase inschedule length and quality of competition in the future, I don't think it's hyperbole to say that a perfect season by Memphis might not be duplicatedfor as long as any player on the current Tigers' roster is alive. How could preventing a chance at that be a good thing?
Ken Pomeroy is an author of Basketball Prospectus. You can contact Ken by clicking here or click here to see Ken's other articles.
Undefeatable?
Memphis Takes on History
by Ken Pomeroy
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The last time the college hoops worls witnessed a perfect run into the NCAA Tournament was in 1991, when UNLV's team turned the trick. That squad enteredthe season under a unique set of circumstances: they were defending champs after having won the title game by the most convincing margin in the history of thesport. They had a controversial coach who had improbably reversed an NCAA postseason ban for the '91 season during the offseason. They had a dominantstarting lineup, featuring three future NBA starters, all of whom were at least 22 years old, and all of whom returned for a senior season that they had doubtswould result in postseason play when they made their decision to stay. On top of that the Rebels played in the Big West Conference, which at the time was onlyslightly stronger that the current version. In other words, most of their games were not interesting. Only three of their 21 games against conference opponentsthat season were decided by fewer than 20 points, none by single digits.
Despite that perfect storm, we know that UNLV lost in the national semifinals, failing to cap a perfect season. I remember hating the Rebels that year. It wasnothing personal against Greg Anthony, Larry Johnson or the amoeba defense. It was that as a team, they were taking away what was great about collegebasketball--that even the best teams have to lose sometime.
Ultimately, it all worked out. UNLV, with one of the best starting lineups the game has seen, against one of the weaker schedules an elite team could play,could not win all of their games. Of course, had Greg Anthony not fouled out of that semifinal game against Duke (he averaged fewer than two fouls per gamethat season, by the way) things might have turned out differently. That further illustrates the point, though. It takes an incredible amount of talent,circumstance and friendly fortune to produce an unbeaten season in the March Madness era.
With that as a backdrop, it would seem unfathomable for Memphis to go unbeaten this season. However, Memphis has some things in common with the Rebels.They're a strong team playing in a weak conference, and despite John Calipari's best efforts, their non-conference slate hasn't been terriblyimposing.
After their 90-53 win over Pepperdine on Saturday, the Tigers sit at 13-0 as they prepare to play East Carolina tonight to open their Conference USA schedule,a slate they rolled through without a blemish last season. So naturally, the discussion of an undefeated season heading into the NCAA Tournament has begun inearnest. While an undefeated run up to Selection Sunday is a realistic notion, it's not by any means a foregone conclusion.
It may come as a surprise, but despite the fact that Memphis has high-profile non-conference games remaining against Gonzaga and Tennessee, the teams mostlikely to add a blemish to the Tigers' record are probably within their own conference. In CUSA's unbalanced schedule, two of the five teams they playtwice are possibly the second- and third-best teams in the league: UAB and Houston. It's almost certain they'll have to play at least one of them athird time in the CUSA Tourney.
In the case of UAB, it's not simply a matter of opportunities that the Blazers have the best overall shot and obstructing history. Using the latest editionof the Pomeroy Ratings and the log5 formula, Memphis' game at UAB is their biggest chance for an upset loss the rest of the way (Memphis has an 81% chanceof winning). Primarily because the games against Gonzaga and Tennessee are at home, they're looked at as better chances for a Memphis win (87% and 83%,respectively). Of course these figures are not precise measurements. We can't truly know what Memphis' chance of winning each game is, but this methodgives a realistic estimate of the future assuming the lineups of both Memphis and their opponents remain steady.
Most importantly, there's a basic statistical lesson here. Even though Memphis will be a solid favorite to win each game the rest of the season,they're not a favorite to win all of their remaining games collectively. Based on the percentages created by this method, they have about a 35% chance togo 31-0. That doesn't even include the three wins the Tigers will need to get in the CUSA Tourney. Going into last season's conference tourney, I hadMemphis at an 87% chance to win it. If CUSA maintains its current structure, it might be slightly more difficult this season, but given that the tournamentwill again be at the FedEx Forum, Memphis will be a heavy favorite to win. However, a 15% chance of not winning a CUSA championship means that Memphis'chance at getting to 34-0 entering the NCAA Tournament is just 30%. Finally, even if they're the favorite to win the NCAA Tournament, their chances ofdoing so will be about 30%, putting their chances of a perfect 40-0 season at around 10%.
That last figure really puts it in perspective. There are a lot of things going for Memphis this season. They could be the best team in the nation, playing ina weak conference, with their toughest non-conference games at home. They may well be favored in every remaining game--even in the Final Four should they getthere--and yet they have just a one-in-ten shot of winning every game on their schedule.
Should the zero still be in the loss column into February, we'll start to hear the obligatory stories about whether a loss would be good for the Tigers. Iwill be laughing at those stories. Not because the argument isn't plausible (although one-loss teams have had a worse post-season track record thanunbeaten teams over the past 40 years), but because a loss would prevent the Tigers from achieving the kind of history that transcends winning a nationaltitle.
Based on the lesson provided by UNLV, a reasonable guess at Memphis' chances of a perfect season, and assuming that there will be a persistent increase inschedule length and quality of competition in the future, I don't think it's hyperbole to say that a perfect season by Memphis might not be duplicatedfor as long as any player on the current Tigers' roster is alive. How could preventing a chance at that be a good thing?
Ken Pomeroy is an author of Basketball Prospectus. You can contact Ken by clicking here or click here to see Ken's other articles.
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anyone remember the 7'6 kid that played UNC last year.....Kenny George on NC Asheville, plays them again tonight
he actually is averaging 13 and 9 with 5 blocks...he goes 360 lbs too
He's terrible..
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Yeah he does. Interesting to watch though
and with that blurb on UNLV..I almost believe they blew that game to Duke, and got some money in their pockets
If Tenn or Gonzaga doesn't get them, I do think Memphis goes undefeated
and with that blurb on UNLV..I almost believe they blew that game to Duke, and got some money in their pockets
If Tenn or Gonzaga doesn't get them, I do think Memphis goes undefeated
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Arizona St...actually favored tonight.....if the win I'd like to get Zodoggs thoughts on that program and Sendek again
I could easily see Pitt losing to South Florida tonight too.
I expect Temple to give Duke a game also
I could easily see Pitt losing to South Florida tonight too.
I expect Temple to give Duke a game also
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UAB and the '40 minutes of hell defense'
I remember when they had my dude Squeaky Johnson....
I remember when they had my dude Squeaky Johnson....
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Not surprising at all. Who's gonna stop Harden? Arizona has paper thin D.
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Did anybody see the girl next to Terrell Suggs at the ASWho/Zona game?
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Pacmac i was just to make a post on the game just because of her, she was BAD!!!!!!!!!
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Malta,
not one guy you named was over 6'8, maybe 6'9....I'm talkin big guys who don't come in skilled...a guy that is a natural 5 doesn't fitDuke's system, I was gettin at that also. Being fair to him, that's not the best fit
Temple put up a fight, not enough, but good enough for my +13
Other things from tonight..
Ole Miss looks to be legit..Kennedy can coach
Syracuse, you can't lose that game
Right on schedule - The downward spiral of Clemson
Travis Ford has UMASS scoring a lot, if nothing else
Providence finally did something productive...having RU on the schedule
Good job by Pitt getting back on track
You don't want Drake in March
not one guy you named was over 6'8, maybe 6'9....I'm talkin big guys who don't come in skilled...a guy that is a natural 5 doesn't fitDuke's system, I was gettin at that also. Being fair to him, that's not the best fit
Temple put up a fight, not enough, but good enough for my +13
Other things from tonight..
Ole Miss looks to be legit..Kennedy can coach
Syracuse, you can't lose that game
Right on schedule - The downward spiral of Clemson
Travis Ford has UMASS scoring a lot, if nothing else
Providence finally did something productive...having RU on the schedule
Good job by Pitt getting back on track
You don't want Drake in March
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Ole Miss looks to be legit..Kennedy can coach
He got a raw deal at Cincy.. glad that he's landed on his feet and done some good work down there in miss.
Syracuse, you can't lose that game
no comment
Right on schedule - The downward spiral of Clemson
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming they have a hangover from that heartbreaker the other night.. Clemson is atournament-worthy team this year, they've just gotta start believing it themselves.
Good job by Pitt getting back on track
Big east is weak this year - they could still hang around, but it's gonna be tough.
You don't want Drake in March
Well said.
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My boy said her name is Debbie.
*logs onto Facebook*
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what channel is the game on? i'm refreshing yahoosports every 8 seconds over here
what channel is the game on? i'm refreshing yahoosports every 8 seconds over here
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FSN AZ
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zona got lucky with one of the worse foul calls ever. ASU should of been shooting FT for the win
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