The Flash (CW Series) thread, season 9

[KingParappa]

ok I've watched the finale and it make sense. Eddie killed himself, causing a paradox and the universe unable to fix itself is being torn apart. That's why the wormhole came back.

 

[Mark Antony]

The legends of tomorrow looks dope to me. Reminds me of some good Dr Who episodes.

 

[illuminatinyc]

Wow..that answered a lot of questions I had about the show..including what happened to the future Flash that fought Reverse Flash when his mom died.

 

[ASE]

The time travel needs to be cleaned up. If eddie killing himself makes Eobard cease to exist then it should also, at the very least, remove all his actions from that timeline. So Barry shouldn't be a speedster yet and Nora shouldn't be dead.

My point is, they're picking and choosing when to treat it like a multiverse or a singular timeline.

 

[rfx45]

I think since time travel is all theoretical and each world/show can pretty much set their own rules, it could make sense as long as they do not keep breaking their own rules (which they do at times).

Like if something happens or changes from the original timeline then a new timeline with new events is created? I kind of got that sense from the beginning of the show when they were talking about it that future Barry (one that got his powers when he was older) still exist but it is not in a different timeline/universe (via multiverse)?

It can all get convoluted and confusing but I think it makes sense with Cisco/Vibes power to be able to feel and remember the timeline where he died, that timeline/universe still exists and he just happens to be dead in it?

It really is all confusing but that is how I am trying to make sense of it.

 

[ASE]

Future Barry, to me, causes the most confusion. We know he's missing in the future but isn't clear why. We don't know if he doesn't exist anymore or he's just off elsewhere.

Now that I think about it, I don't get the point of killing Barry's mom. How does killing her guarantee Barry never becomes the flash, considering he's already been born.

 

[illuminatinyc]

Future Barry, to me, causes the most confusion. We know he's missing in the future but isn't clear why. We don't know if he doesn't exist anymore or he's just off elsewhere.

Now that I think about it, I don't get the point of killing Barry's mom. How does killing her guarantee Barry never becomes the flash, considering he's already been born.

RF/Wells said to Barry in the finale that his intent was to kill him as a child to prevent the Flash from ever coming into existence.  The future Flash saved young Barry though, so RF decided to kill his mom instead - not to prevent Barry from becoming the Flash, but for revenge I guess.

 

[blackboyfly]

They aren't picking and choosing.

Eddie killed himself. Thus stopping RF from ever existing.

But why did he kill himself in the first place? Because RF existed.

If RF never existed, he can't kill himself, but he did kill himself, and only because the Reverse Flash existed.

It creates a time paradox, when the universe tries to create a time line that shouldn't exist because it's impossible for it to exists. But it does exist.

That's why you see the blackhole appear. The universe is trying to fix something that can't be fixed because the existing variables don't add up.

And the future Flash is missing because he ceased to exist after Barrys mom died. Barry became the flash through the Reverse Flash instead of whatever original way he did. So that flash is gone, and now the Flash that we've been watching is in existence.

I think Don't quote me.

Time travel Really just best to watch the show without thinking to much about it.

 

[ASE]

We'll see how they explain it.

Edit: I agree with you about not looking too deep into it but don't make it central to the plot then.

 

[rfx45]

Future Barry, to me, causes the most confusion. We know he's missing in the future but isn't clear why. We don't know if he doesn't exist anymore or he's just off elsewhere.


Now that I think about it, I don't get the point of killing Barry's mom. How does killing her guarantee Barry never becomes the flash, considering he's already been born.

RF/Wells said to Barry in the finale that his intent was to kill him as a child to prevent the Flash from ever coming into existence.  The future Flash saved young Barry though, so RF decided to kill his mom instead - not to prevent Barry from becoming the Flash, but for revenge I guess.

I think RF said by killing Barrys mom, he hoped it would cause enouygh trauma to the point that Barry doesn't lead to becoming Flash.

 

[Master Zik]

Tom Cavanagh was confirmed to still be a series regular in season 2

Also confirmed that more speedsters will be introduced


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/flash-finale-spoilers-eddie-thawne-796679

That first part is some good news. By the end of this he turned out to be the best actor on the show.

Yeah they were already talking about the black Wally West showing up on the show. I guess the other speedster would be Zoom or Bart.

I really thought they were gonna be ballsy and just start semi-anew for S2. Have Barry change the past and then we're in a new timeline in S2 where we all get to find out the new relationships to all the ppl we know. Some other time travel event could happen so the real Wells makes the particle accelerator and it blows up to give everyone their powers just maybe at a slightly different time. That way they're open to still have dude playing Wells back, they could make Eddie Zoom as the new villain, and do w/e new ****.

Zik, you're thinking more far ahead than these writers.

If you dissect that finale, it was horrible. Dude didn't even save his mom. Let me guess why: he simps for Iris.

I'm saying though

I guess the writers just want to write Barry still simping for Iris as she mourns for Eddie.

The thing that gets me though is if he had saved his moms he'd be living in the timeline where he got Iris and Eddie wouldn't even be a factor.

Son didn't even have a conversation with his future self, dude just shook his head and gave him the Mutumbo wag and Barry idiotically waits until he can't save his moms instead of taking her to a hospital AND he still screws over his father! Then he want to puff up his chest and ruin Eobard's plans cuz he didn't do the right thing.

Nah, the Kingdom Come Flash is Wally West and probably the strongest/fastest elseworld/alternate timeline/universe Flash.

Garrick is the first Flash, just found it funny how he saw it and just wanted to get out of there.

Yeah that was one of the best easter egg nods to the comics this season.

Hmm, I feel like they messed up with this time travel/continuum business. Why does Eddie killing himself affect the Eobard from a separate timeline? Wouldn't that only prevent Eobard from being born in this current timeline? They start with a split timeline and inexplicably shift towards a unified timeline. They should clarify what time travel theory they are using for this show.

Going off what I mentioned before, I feel it is an either or thing. They don't clearly establish the time travel as far as alternate timelines go.

If changing the past creates alternate divergent timelines then when Barry went back in time to stop the tsunami we entered a new timeline where the tsunami never happened and obviously Eobard doesn't kill Cisco. So that means the alt timeline that this show started with is gone. The problem here is Barry. In that ep he goes back in time and never sees his other self. As they've shown when they revealed what happened 15 years ago future Flash went back in time to stop RF and save his younger self, his younger self didn't just disappear cuz future Barry showed up but that's exactly what happened in the ep where he stopped the tsunami. That Barry should've went back to his time where the tsnumai always happened.

So right there it's not really clear what it takes to create alt timelines.

So the other theory is the good ol LOST example of whatever happened happened. As in it always happened that way. That'd at least make sense for why Future Flash told Barry not to save his mom because he ALWAYS grew up with his mom dying and his father in prison for her murder. That means Eobard Thawne ALWAYS created the Flash, ALWAYS killed his moms, and ALWAYS mentored him to be the Flash. Basically, there is actually no changing the past technically. There are no alt timelines. Barry's moms always died by the hands of Thawne to set these events in to motion.

The problem with that though is there's an obvious chicken and the egg time loop with which happened first. Plus the show stopped being able to qualify for these time travel rules when Eddie killed himself and Eobard ceased to exist which in itself was it's own literal paradox.

So I can't call it

 

[2sappy]

You know, when I was watching it, I was kinda hoping they were gonna go the Flashpoint Paradox route when he went back in time to "save" his mom.
Maybe some other time. :\

 

[rfx45]

It might still happen after he comes out of that blackhole, everything might change. Wells is suppose to return to season 2 so he might arrive at a different or new timeline?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I've watched basically 12 episodes I think, all the significant big plot moving eps.

I'm incredibly impressed.

Much of the show is superhero storytelling 101 but the translation to television is pitch perfect and the finale was really really well executed.


Originality can be overrated, you look at this show and see how it executes ideas on such a high level and then you see the dumpster fire that is DC's movie properties and wonder who ever is producing this isn't in charge of the film part.

 

[rfx45]

Yah overall I really liked the finale despite the inconsistencies and problems (if we nitpick) , got them feels all over the episodes.

 

[blakep267]

I've watched basically 12 episodes I think, all the significant big plot moving eps.

I'm incredibly impressed.

Much of the show is superhero storytelling 101 but the translation to television is pitch perfect and the finale was really really well executed.


Originality can be overrated, you look at this show and see how it executes ideas on such a high level and then you see the dumpster fire that is DC's movie properties and wonder who ever is producing this isn't in charge of the film part.

It's almost as if the film side wants to trust the big name directors more than the actual comic book writers etc. which ok one hand can be understandable because you have convoluted messes written but these guys have proven to make a solid super hero TV show sticking to the original material.

 

[Master Zik]

I've watched basically 12 episodes I think, all the significant big plot moving eps.

I'm incredibly impressed.

Much of the show is superhero storytelling 101 but the translation to television is pitch perfect and the finale was really really well executed.


Originality can be overrated, you look at this show and see how it executes ideas on such a high level and then you see the dumpster fire that is DC's movie properties and wonder who ever is producing this isn't in charge of the film part.

I think the movie studios of WB running the DC movies want nothing to do with the tv world.

Marc Guggenheim, one of CW writers and executives for the DC shows has said he doesn't have much contact or input with the movies. Son spends his spare time writing Marvel comics instead

I won't be surprised if Marvel head hunts him at some point.

 

[blakep267]

I've watched basically 12 episodes I think, all the significant big plot moving eps.

I'm incredibly impressed.

Much of the show is superhero storytelling 101 but the translation to television is pitch perfect and the finale was really really well executed.


Originality can be overrated, you look at this show and see how it executes ideas on such a high level and then you see the dumpster fire that is DC's movie properties and wonder who ever is producing this isn't in charge of the film part.

I think the movie studios of WB running the DC movies want nothing to do with the tv world.

Marc Guggenheim, one of CW writers and executives for the DC shows has said he doesn't have much contact or input with the movies. Son spends his spare time writing Marvel comics instead

I won't be surprised if Marvel head hunts him at some point.

The dark knight and Nolan being so popular really affected every movie there after for better or worse.

 

[shogun]

It made some people say how they want everything else to be "darker". Got annoying real quick. It wasn't darkness that made those movies good, it was the good storytelling and quality.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Like are the movie people really going to try and introduce a new flash after the CW people have totally crushed it?


Really? I think there is no way that movie gets made.

 

[shogun]

The actor playing the flash in the movie looks so lame and frail.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I think there is a 0% chance that Cyborb movie gets made and that Flash movie with Ezra Miller I would put at 5%.

 

[rfx45]

I think the only way those films get the ax is if BvS and JL films bombs.

 

[Master Zik]

I've watched basically 12 episodes I think, all the significant big plot moving eps.

I'm incredibly impressed.

Much of the show is superhero storytelling 101 but the translation to television is pitch perfect and the finale was really really well executed.


Originality can be overrated, you look at this show and see how it executes ideas on such a high level and then you see the dumpster fire that is DC's movie properties and wonder who ever is producing this isn't in charge of the film part.

I think the movie studios of WB running the DC movies want nothing to do with the tv world.

Marc Guggenheim, one of CW writers and executives for the DC shows has said he doesn't have much contact or input with the movies. Son spends his spare time writing Marvel comics instead

I won't be surprised if Marvel head hunts him at some point.

The dark knight and Nolan being so popular really affected every movie there after for better or worse.

It's why WB/DC is dumb.

Batman movies have always been pretty dark whether they were grounded and grimdark. What they're ignoring about the Nolan Batman movies being so successful is Nolan. You don't just go and try to simplify his style and make it a formula to inject in to every other DC property. Nolan as an executive and/or producer isn't enough. You need Nolan if you want Nolan results. Not the poor man's version (w/e Snyder and that bum Goyer do).

Like are the movie people really going to try and introduce a new flash after the CW people have totally crushed it?


Really? I think there is no way that movie gets made.

Just yesterday I saw a title of an article that said something to the extent of so and so talks about how Flash in the movie will have a different take and be very different from the Flash tv show

I just

I have no faith AT ALL that Cyborg movie gets made.

These guys must be really banking on the fact that the cameos in BvS and then the JL movie will make these ancillary heroes huge hits.

 

[SlamShut]

This show is hitting the nail on the head when it comes to The Flash. Going in a "different direction" would mean going away from the character. Unless you are making a movie about another Flash like Jay or Wally that strategy is setting yourself up for failure.