It sounds like you're lending a little too much weight to the Avengers for IM3 breaking that one billion mark.
Nah not really.
Just look at the past IM movie grossing and the huge jump for IM3. It's literally due to it being in a post Avengers movie going world.
Cap 2 and Thor 2 got post Avengers boosts as well but not quite as big as Iron Man.
IM3 benefited greatly and directly by being the first MCU movie to come out after Avengers given that it was such a huge hit.
That's why Cap2 or Thor2 didn't get the same boost. I said that the first time. Of course it wouldn't be as big. It specifically wouldn't be that big given the let down that IM3 was.
To make more sense, had Ant-Man been in AOU, it would've got an insanely huge boost when the solo comes out this summer. Consequently, given the last movie has actually been good and it's building off what just happened in AOU as far as new characters at the least, you should expect Civil War to get the deserved boost of basically being another Avengers sequel.
Nothing about the IM3 movie itself tells you it was good enough to be making a billion dollars
I mean it didn't even sell out in a Transformers sort of way where they just gave you mindless action
Yes I know Spiderman is still a bigger solo character than Star Lord. That goes without saying. Why bring that up.
Why? Because as far as popularity goes for DC and Marvel their two most popular heroes equivalent wise are Batman and Spider-Man. You brought up MCU characters and movies to support the idea that Flash can not just become a hit movie character but that he'd become a bigger hit than Batman. That just doesn't make sense, there's nothing to support that.
That's why I brought up Spidey cuz you brought up Star-Lord and misrepresented IM's huge rise to popularity.
And you're ignoring the possibility that Batman's previous success can work against Batffleck.
Not for the first solo Batman movie. That won't happen at all.
Besides we're not comparing Batffleck to past Batman movies. If your argument was the Batffleck movie won't do as good as TDK or even TDKR # wise I wouldn't disagree but simply say wait and see after BvS.
Thing is we're not comparing Batman movies. We're talking about the established success of Batman movies to you're assumed success for a Flash movie none of us know the actual potential of. Even if past Batman movies hurt the Batffleck, you're suggesting that it'd hurt it to the point that it'd do so bad that the Flash movie doing it's best would eclipse Batman. That's something I'd have to see to believe.
A little bit like how the first Spider Man trilogy's success works against the ASM series.
No it didn't.
The ASM series sucked all on it's own. The only thing that hurt in relation to the first SM trilogy is how soon they decided to reboot given the last Spidey movie. That had nothing to do with the success of the trilogy though especially given how bad SM3 was. That aside they firmly established how underwhelming their new rebooted Spidey franchise would be.
Fans are going to be constantly comparing Battfleck's portrayal and movies to TDK series.
So? That doesn't mean Batfans won't come out in droves to watch it. That doesn't mean more ppl are gonna go watch the Flash movie instead.
If he doesn't measure up to the big expectations ... then splat.
No.
What are you basing this on? When they went from all the other past Batman reboots was that the case?
I don''t know how what I said is that outlandish.
You said to quote you, as if it was a guarantee by you, that the Flash movie we know little to nothing about - except for who is playing him and maybe the director and screenwriter - would be a bigger hit than Batman and the other two big name DC heroes. It really seems you're basing this more off of how much you like the CW show than anything about what we've heard about the movie. The Flash movie is years out. The Batman solo movies haven't even been announced yet. It could be announced to be coming as soon as before the JL movie or right after it. We don't know if Ben will also be taking on directorial duties or if they'll actually get some other good director, nor do we know the screenwriter for the solo. To me you're just assuming a lot of things. It's outlandish cuz you're basically calling the fall of a titan that's more times than not a sure thing.
That's why.
MoS was underwhelming compared to expectations at the box office. Ppl doubting Gal's WW hardcore.
I couldn't give a **** about them as long as Goyer and Snyder got their hands in it.
As far as Batman though, the early rumors have been different about his solo movies.
Affleck stands in the way, yes. I'm just saying that the guy who plays Flash doesn't have as big a mountain to climb as you think. You're acting like Affleck already has his solo movie out and it's already a hit.
Yes he does have that big of a mountain to climb.
No I'm not acting like Affleck's solo is already out. I KNOW what's it like to be hyped for a Batman movie and to see the results. Not just the Nolan movies either. Batman has the track record. Batman has the proven success. To me it is not close when you're saying that the Flash won't just measure up but completely surpass Bats.
This is more like if you had said the GotG movie or the sequel even would make more money than Avengers or AOU. That's what this is like.
He has just as much to prove still as kid who plays Flash, if not more, because he's rebooting a Batman so close to a very successful series.
To me this is the delusional talk.
You're acting like the Nolan Batman trilogy was the end all be all of Batman cinema. As if even the idea of making another Batman movie is unthinkable. This is all nonsense.
He's ******* BATMAN.
I mean, don't tell me you haven't forgotten how much fans were up in arms when his name was first announced.
I didn't forget. I think you're simply putting this way too much on Ben Affleck and ignoring the Batman part. As far as effort goes Ben just has to not come through with a dumb deep voice for most of the movie to start off right.
It probably just bothers you that i'm throwing my statement out there years out because I like dude who plays Flash.
No it doesn't. Stop coming up with bull **** reasons for why I'd disagree with you about this. I don't have anything against the guy playing Flash. That's irrelevant. I don't and haven't had anything bad to say about the guy as far as I know. I don't even doubt he'll be a good Flash unlike how most ppl reacted to him (don't tell me you forgot how most ppl reacted to when he was cast as Flash? If anything the size of that reaction compared to the reaction of Batffleck should let you know why what you said just doesn't make sense. More ppl give a **** about one than the other).
You made an absurd statement and you're trying to make it sound reasonable. You even tried to group Batman in with Wonder Woman and Superman to downplay the feat that would be if it happened relative to the popularity of Batman in media. Those 2 are peons compared to Batman. Flash isn't going to be a bigger hit than Batman. Not in the same weight class. You're literally trying to use Marvel's success as support but at the same time when you suggest Batffleck might fail it's because of how ppl have reacted to MOS. Have you forgotten the Flash movie will be set in the same CU? The Flash can be just as bad as MOS was if not worse.
To me that's the difference at the end of the day. Batman is gonna be Batman, that aint gonna change with his movies unless they go full on Adam West with it or go 90s extreme with it. Flash though, they're talking about making the Flash movie very different from the show (which did a great job of portraying the Flash) because it has to fit in with the same universe that MOS has established. Most ppl's complaints is that cuz of the Nolan success, they have Snyder just going dark with everything. Dark and gritty fits fine for Batman, it doesn't for Supes or Flash. It might work for MM and WW if they focus hard on her being more warrior than superhero. They're obviously going that direction with Aquaman. Longshot chance of that working with GL and I still don't believe the Cyborg movie will be made. So just going off what we know chances are Batffleck will be in his wheelhouse while a good deal of the rest will be squares forced in to circles.
But why do I need proof or evidence though. This **** aint a book report.
I didn't say you needed proof or evidence though.
You simply have nothing to support what you said. That's why I said it makes no sense. You reply with well this could happen, and this bad thing might happen for Batman. It's nothing but what ifs and hypotheticals. Basically everything bad possible would have to happen for the Batffleck solo movie to tank while you haven't really said what would have to go right for the Flash movie other than it wouldn't take much to reach and pass Batman as a hit when it seems like what you're not saying is it basically would have to have everything go right for it and pretty much go against what's been established up to this point
Sorry that I called you out.
hero for real
