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Baker and Darnold have both looked unimpressive in their careers so far. With that being said the kicker is that Baker has had elite talent surrounding him but still looks bad
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Flip side of that is Baker actually did have one really good year whereas Darnold hasn’t shown many signs of being special.
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Baker is 24 years old, missed 0 games, has nice weapons and a beast downhill RB and still won less games than a 22-year old, mono-stricken Darnold last season
The only 'IT' factor I see resembles Brandon Weeden
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Darnold had an INT problem at USC, has an INT problem in New Jersey, and will probably continue to have an INT problem throughout his career.
I’m taking Baker despite his clown comments to the media.
I’m taking Baker despite his clown comments to the media.
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And you're ignoring Baker's 21 INTs last season because.....?
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Nobody is calling him a bum, but he’s had the easiest path to his yards and catches of any WR in the league since he came in. Plays at least 9 games per year in a dome, never has had any legitimate #2 WR to battle for targets, Drew Brees in an uptempo pass happy offense throwing him the ball and he runs nothing but quick slants 90% of the time. To say that a legitimate beast like Mike Evans who’s had like 3-4 different coaching staffs and had nothing but interception prone QB’s like Jameis, Josh McCown and Fitzpatrick since he entered the league as well as playing almost all of his games but two outside (a lot of times in the pouring rain in Florida) couldn’t do the same things that Thomas did this past year is actual disrespect.
2018
Michael Thomas - 125 catches for 1,405 yards 9 TD’s
Mike Evans - 86 catches for 1,504 yards 8 TD’s
This man caught 39 more balls and still had 100 less yards and only 1 more TD
2017
Thomas - 104 catches for 1,245 yards 5 TD’s
Evans (15 games) - 71 catches for 1,001 yards 5 TD’s
Dude caught 33 more balls for 244 more yards...pretty sure Mike has had that in one game.
2016
Thomas - 92 catches for 1,137 yards 9 TD’s
Evans - 96 catches for 1,321 yards 12 TD’s
The numbers speak for themselves
All this tell me is, Mike Evans is a better deep threat or YAC receiver. Both guys play in a pass happy offense.
Ironically we talking about the abundance of passes, but people still promote these pass happy offenses and try and discredit the runningback.
Talk about shaping an argument. Michael Thomas does not drop passes period. He’s always open and reliable. The reason is.... he’s DAMN good
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Lol come on man. It tells you that Michael Thomas gets peppered with a billion targets/opportunities while playing in a dome for at least 9 games per year playing with a HOF QB and running slant routes pretty much the whole game. He’s not a bum by any means, but he does a hell of a lot less with his targets than Mike Evans and several other WR’s.
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Baker is 24 years old, missed 0 games, has nice weapons and a beast downhill RB and still won less games than a 22-year old, mono-stricken Darnold last season
The only 'IT' factor I see resembles Brandon Weeden
Yeah we know Baker had a bad year. He also had a great rookie year on a team that was trash the year before he got there.
Sam has had trash rookie year and a decent year last year. He hasn't stood out at all.
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Michael Thomas played with Brandin cooks in 2016. Both Thomas and Evans get targeted a lot. In the seasons that both guys played 15 games or more the difference in targets was only about 10-15. Mike Evans also has played in a pass happy offense.
Brees hasn’t thrown nearly as much since Kamara has been on the team and him aging.
Pass attempt rankings since Kamara’s rookie year:
2017: NO - 21st (536) , TB - 3rd (605)
2018: NO - 24th (519) , TB - 4th (625)
2019: NO - 14th (581), TB - 5th (630) (Jameis lead all QB’s in attempts)
So, the notion that Mike Evans is doing more with less isn’t really all that true when you look at the context. Both are elite though.
Brees hasn’t thrown nearly as much since Kamara has been on the team and him aging.
Pass attempt rankings since Kamara’s rookie year:
2017: NO - 21st (536) , TB - 3rd (605)
2018: NO - 24th (519) , TB - 4th (625)
2019: NO - 14th (581), TB - 5th (630) (Jameis lead all QB’s in attempts)
So, the notion that Mike Evans is doing more with less isn’t really all that true when you look at the context. Both are elite though.
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Buc Em you’ve been promoting the bucs offense as one of the best passing offenses in the league for some time now. The last couple of seasons you were posting the yards, TD’s etc.
Now you’re trying to discredit it for the sake of debating that Mike Evans is better than Thomas. Is it oochie wally or one mic?
Now you’re trying to discredit it for the sake of debating that Mike Evans is better than Thomas. Is it oochie wally or one mic?
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I don’t have to promote them, they’ve literally been a top 3 offense in yards two years in a row. The debate was “could Mike Evans put up the numbers that Michael Thomas does in the Saints system under the same circumstances.” Mike Evans has had to battle with extremely inconsistent QB play, trash weather at a ton of his games and like 4 different OC’s in his 5 years. He’s also had to battle with the targets being spread around because he’s played with Godwin, D-Jax, Humphries, OJ and Brate. Michael Thomas has gotten peppered with 9 billion targets on short slants inside of a dome with a HOF QB and same coaching staff every year.
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This is spectacular.
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Not sure I'd put Coop or Diggs ahead but that's neither here nor there
I agree with the sentiment
, would throw AB ahead there too when he's playing
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AB ain't never coming back.
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Feels like its been trending that way which is a shame, can't remember a quicker athlete fall from grace since Tiger
Peyton is hilarious, actually got me interested in watching that golf exhibition game with him and TB
Peyton is hilarious
, actually got me interested in watching that golf exhibition game with him and TB
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The real question is, entering the 2020-2021 season, what starting QBs are you choosing Darnold over, for one season?\
Stidham, Herbert, Haskins....
Stidham, Herbert, Haskins....
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It's only year 3, Darnold still has the opportunity to prove himself.
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Not sure if you guys are aware but J.T O'Sullivan runs a great Youtube channel called the QB School.
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Choosing Darnold over them by far
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Lol he's listed the QB's he would take Darnold over, but I'm assuming the list stops there
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Yes, I am lol. You can add Lock and Fitzpatrick too, but for me that's it.
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