The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap

the biggest difference is that alot of money isn't guaranteed with football

i dunno the way i look at it the stars like lebron, wade, melo, durant, dwight, kobe etc don't have to cave. They have some serious money and other outlets.

The NBA is all about stars more than any other sport. it's that simple. so if they don't wanna take a pay decrease i don't see how the owners proceed without them.
 
players never have the upper hand because the owners are billionaires and the stars are millionaires. plus the owners can rent out the stadiums for other events.

HOWEVER i don't think it is as easy to crush the players if the top 10-20 players hold strong. in football you don't see anyone's face. People will root for whoever is wearing the home jersey. Half of the NBA's fans root for players not teams anymore. So if those stars threaten to sit out or go to Europe it will be interesting
 
players never have the upper hand because the owners are billionaires and the stars are millionaires. plus the owners can rent out the stadiums for other events.

HOWEVER i don't think it is as easy to crush the players if the top 10-20 players hold strong. in football you don't see anyone's face. People will root for whoever is wearing the home jersey. Half of the NBA's fans root for players not teams anymore. So if those stars threaten to sit out or go to Europe it will be interesting
 
why not just go with the NHL hard cap

theres good parity, and teams with a low budget but good management can actually make it into the playoffs

also never really understood how players moving after the trade deadline is still eligible for the post season... theres a reason theres a deadline

and also if theres a buyout, it should still count against the cap
 
why not just go with the NHL hard cap

theres good parity, and teams with a low budget but good management can actually make it into the playoffs

also never really understood how players moving after the trade deadline is still eligible for the post season... theres a reason theres a deadline

and also if theres a buyout, it should still count against the cap
 
Owners, players still hundreds of millions apart

Top executives from the NBA and National Basketball Players Association convened for a small meeting with their top staff Tuesday to discuss collective bargaining proposals that were made in Miami and Dallas during the NBA Finals.

According to league spokesman Michael Bass, the meeting included commissioner David Stern, deputy commissioner Adam Silver, NBPA executive director Billy Hunter and the union's "in-house staff."

"We're not disclosing what was discussed in the meeting," Bass said.

A larger meeting including the owners' full labor relations committee and the players' executive committee is scheduled for Friday in Manhattan.

With the countdown under way to the expiration of the league's collective bargaining agreement on June 30, the two sides remain hundreds of millions of dollars apart, sources told CBSSports.com. The owners have twice offered to delay their vision of at least a 33 percent pay cut for the players, delivered through a hard salary cap with shorter and non-guaranteed contracts -- first through a two-year phase-in and then, in a verbal offer during the Finals, by adding at least one more year to "soften the landing," one of the people with knowledge of the talks said Tuesday. But once the phase-in period ends, the owners are still insistent on their original plan -- proposed in January 2010 -- to deduct approximately $900 million in expenses from the league's basketball-related income (BRI) and reduce the players' share of that from 57 percent to a 50-50 split, multiple sources told CBSSports.com.

Given that league revenues in 2009-10 -- the last season for which final numbers are available -- totaled about $3.6 billion, the players would get half of the $2.7 billion left after expenses, or $1.35 billion. That's $700 million less than the players' share under the current system, or a reduction of more than one-third.

Coming out of last week's full-scale bargaining session in Dallas, verbal proposals from both sides needed to be formalized in writing, and the union requested more extensive revenue projections from the league since the owners have proposed a 10-year CBA. After Stern expressed optimism following one of the bargaining sessions during the Finals, he said last week it would be a "challenge" to avoid a lockout. NBPA president Derek Fisher revealed the same day that there was "no change at all" in the owners' demands.
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Owners, players still hundreds of millions apart

Top executives from the NBA and National Basketball Players Association convened for a small meeting with their top staff Tuesday to discuss collective bargaining proposals that were made in Miami and Dallas during the NBA Finals.

According to league spokesman Michael Bass, the meeting included commissioner David Stern, deputy commissioner Adam Silver, NBPA executive director Billy Hunter and the union's "in-house staff."

"We're not disclosing what was discussed in the meeting," Bass said.

A larger meeting including the owners' full labor relations committee and the players' executive committee is scheduled for Friday in Manhattan.

With the countdown under way to the expiration of the league's collective bargaining agreement on June 30, the two sides remain hundreds of millions of dollars apart, sources told CBSSports.com. The owners have twice offered to delay their vision of at least a 33 percent pay cut for the players, delivered through a hard salary cap with shorter and non-guaranteed contracts -- first through a two-year phase-in and then, in a verbal offer during the Finals, by adding at least one more year to "soften the landing," one of the people with knowledge of the talks said Tuesday. But once the phase-in period ends, the owners are still insistent on their original plan -- proposed in January 2010 -- to deduct approximately $900 million in expenses from the league's basketball-related income (BRI) and reduce the players' share of that from 57 percent to a 50-50 split, multiple sources told CBSSports.com.

Given that league revenues in 2009-10 -- the last season for which final numbers are available -- totaled about $3.6 billion, the players would get half of the $2.7 billion left after expenses, or $1.35 billion. That's $700 million less than the players' share under the current system, or a reduction of more than one-third.

Coming out of last week's full-scale bargaining session in Dallas, verbal proposals from both sides needed to be formalized in writing, and the union requested more extensive revenue projections from the league since the owners have proposed a 10-year CBA. After Stern expressed optimism following one of the bargaining sessions during the Finals, he said last week it would be a "challenge" to avoid a lockout. NBPA president Derek Fisher revealed the same day that there was "no change at all" in the owners' demands.
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Any kind of compromising or positive discussion is welcome... but I just can't imagine either side truly budges until games are missed.
 
Any kind of compromising or positive discussion is welcome... but I just can't imagine either side truly budges until games are missed.
 
Since Summer League has been affected, will there be any underground alternative for those young men trying to get their feet wet?
 
Since Summer League has been affected, will there be any underground alternative for those young men trying to get their feet wet?
 
Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Since Summer League has been affected, will there be any underground alternative for those young men trying to get their feet wet?
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Incase they make a decision before the end of July - there are dates in August where they will hold Summer League.  If it goes into the season - nothing has yet been decided.  
 
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Since Summer League has been affected, will there be any underground alternative for those young men trying to get their feet wet?
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Incase they make a decision before the end of July - there are dates in August where they will hold Summer League.  If it goes into the season - nothing has yet been decided.  
 
CBA is scaring me
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Originally Posted by Statis22

Mid level money now is in the neighborhood of $7 million. Trevor Ariza and Amir Johnson got that.

Do you think both those guys are worth that?
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if they dont get it, da overseas leagues will be happy to pay it and more...da NBA will bleed out talent.
 
Originally Posted by Statis22

Mid level money now is in the neighborhood of $7 million. Trevor Ariza and Amir Johnson got that.

Do you think both those guys are worth that?
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if they dont get it, da overseas leagues will be happy to pay it and more...da NBA will bleed out talent.
 
Salary Cap decreases are dumb... You want to win, you have to be willing to spend money (and do it wisely).. If you don't spend money you will not make money because you will not have the players to win.. If you win, you have a lot more fans, are on TV more, and end up bringing in a lot more revenue (Even the small market teams).. These owners are not poor.. I've read they considered a cut back to a $45mil hard cap.. It is basically a ploy for the owners to decrease the salaries of the players as much as possible to stuff their pockets..

But how is that not like every other job in America.
 
Salary Cap decreases are dumb... You want to win, you have to be willing to spend money (and do it wisely).. If you don't spend money you will not make money because you will not have the players to win.. If you win, you have a lot more fans, are on TV more, and end up bringing in a lot more revenue (Even the small market teams).. These owners are not poor.. I've read they considered a cut back to a $45mil hard cap.. It is basically a ploy for the owners to decrease the salaries of the players as much as possible to stuff their pockets..

But how is that not like every other job in America.
 
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