I can do math
There will be thousands of more hours of how much it doesn't
I think the playoff product matters way more for the public perception of the NBA
These has been going on for a while, besides a few angry people around All-Star Sunday, I don't see it hurting the product on balance.
I didn't say it mattered more that the playoffs.
I said it matters, it generates tons of negative coverage of the NBA every year.
you got people with big platforms ****ting on it. I think it's more than a few angry people.
now you can say that doesn't matter, but it's not just a few angry people.
Again, I gonna need something more than a guess here.
I don't have access to the NBA's KPI's but I think we can make reasonably informed guesses.
it just feels like your argument is unless i have a spreadsheet with the exact amount of money lost by the league, then I can't criticize the players (who don't have access to that information either)
it feels like a god of the gaps argument if we don't know everysingle variable, we should default to the players anlysis..
They will fine and probably suspend him if he does
really? every year players sit out for precautions, when has it ever been the case that player who feel they can get hurt gut it out?
maybe really famous guys who know people want to see them play one half or something. but I don't think it's true if you think you'll be hurt they'll fine you for not playing.
Maybe the modern NBA just figures that the All-Star game is not worth much effort.
I am fine acknowledging older generation cared more. I just don't knock modern ones for caring less
And wanting to minimize the probability as close to zero as possible
yeah i just think that's unreasonable, they don't take that attitude to any other exhibition basketball game, they don't even take that attitude towards pre season
its only the ASG that players suddenly demand zero risk, in a game that has historically had almost no serious injuries.
imo that indicates it's not injury risk that's fueling this.
Ok, it is fine to want that.
I don't think it will make that much of a difference. That could still result is a horrible product
i mean we saw what the all star game was like its some thing im imagining, it was certainly better than what we go last night.
If they said it was a half-court shooting contest beforehand, I wouldn't care.
But all you seem to be doing here is being hyperbolic to try to counter my example.
Don't think it is an argument I should take seriously.
im using a hyperbolic example to show what I think is a flaw in your argument.
If you wouldn't care if they just took turns taking half court shots, I think you are an extremely a typical fan.
most people like sports for the illusion of stakes. all the stakes in sports are made up,
we care because they care. and if they don't care, for many it ruins the product.
All you are doing here is appealing to tradition
You can't quantify to back up your claim the players should care so much, so you are not coming with "older players did it, so newer players should act the same way"
it just feels like an unreasonable burden of proof.
The NBA has tons of money on the line, they seem to think the all star game matters a lot. they seem to think marketing and press attention matters a lot.
they have more information on it than the players almost certainly. Im supposed to side with the players analysis because why?
- they are citing injury risk in a game where there have been almost no injuries
- they are complaining that the game is meaningless despite trying harder in games that are even more meaningless, pre season, pro ams, open runs ect.
I don't know why im supposed to think there desire to decrease the risk to zero is reasonable.
Ok, Jokic cares about his off-season workouts
And players at play in runs to prepare for the upcoming season do too.
I was more talking about the sample you using clearly having a bias in it.
I still don't see this "you try hard during training, why don't you try during this exhibition" as compelling of an argument
you said they want zero risk of injury. there are safer ways to train, you don't need play in high school gyms at the Drew league.
it shows NBA players are totally capable of modulating their effort to avoid injury.
and I don't see how playing against some random dude with something to prove at a fitness club or in the drew league is going to be more of a risk than NBA players in an nba facility. with nba trainers.
There is nothing to be ashamed about if everyone, or a large group, does it.
And using another one of your arguments, small fines are enough to overcome social media-motivated group social dynamics. Really?
sure but if you start calling out individuals you lose that group camouflage. Suddenly you try a bit harder because you don't want to be tarred as the worst guy, in sociology i think its called "last place aversion" and suddenly everyone's trying harder.
I don't know for sure it will work, but imo they need to try something. my argument is that this is bad and they should do something to fix it.
you seem to think its fine. which is fair enough.
If so, it is not the NBA player's fault for when they were born and what technology was around at the time
By your logic then, if Twitter was around in the 80s and 90s Bird, MJ, and Magic would be doing the same ****. This then undercuts the whole "older players were better at this" argument from before.
im not making some culture war argument about old people vs young people. sure if older players were in this environment I think the same thing will happen. because it's cool not to try.
that's why I think the NBA should do something to change the status quo.
