The Official NBA Season Thread: NBA Cup Night

[osh kosh bosh]

u realize that team wasn't winning without kd right?

Uhhhh, They literally won a championship without him?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

To be clear I don't agree with the KD = Carmelo argument.


Im just saying history I think shows you probably don't want KD as the leader for your team.

 

[frshstunna]

Warriors won rings without KD and KD never won one away from GSW, those are facts …Arguing anything else is just a waste of time and trolling

 

[WASHED KING]

Not adding context to 2015 is nasty but w/e ring is a ring to GS

 

[addict4sneakers]

Not adding context to 2015 is nasty but w/e ring is a ring to GS

At the age of 9, did you still think GSW would win even with guys being out? Be honest

 

[wavycrocket]

Vincent Van Goat B Sox , and maaaaany others

 

[WASHED KING]

At the age of 9, did you still think GSW would win even with guys being out? Be honest

First of all I was 18, a month away from 19 during the 2015 Finals.

They had the MVP, the DPOY and another all-star in their starting lineup going against Lebron and a bunch of role players. That ring wasn't impressive.

 

[dman14]

Took a lot to beat the dubs (bron and Kyrie going crazy, dray nut kicking, etc) and folks saying they couldn't win without kd.
They would've added some pieces and put themselves in a position to be back in the finals in my opinion.
Oh, wait...quick rebuild on the fly and they hoisted another chip.

 

[B Sox]

That's nice to say, but like it just seems like if KD is driving the bus there's dysfunction.

He chose to have Kyrie on his squad, he chose Steve Nash, he chose to get rid of Nash.

He was a big part of creating that environment.

It always seems to follow him hard to think he's not somewhat responsible.

My response to you was solely based off on court play when you said this-

“they don't have a good structure because building your offense around an ISO player has inherent limitations.”

At that time I think they were statistically the best offense ever. And they still almost knocked out the eventual champs without Cryrie and with a hobbled Jimbo. That team was incredibly good. Definitely better than Milwaukee (if healthy) and would’ve smoked Phoenix.

Told MVP that he definitely needs to be blamed for his choices from a stability standpoint.

 

[WASHED KING]

Used KD to get 3 more rings but GS logic is they didn't need him.

The 22 rebuild doesn't happen if you don't have Durant as an asset to trade for Dlo who eventually turned into Wiggs.

 

[pmatic]

Feel like we saw what's happening with Durant in OKC as well. Ya there were personnel and coaching shortcomings, but sure seems like his offense short-circuits come playoff time minus the three year stop-gap in Golden State when he was was playing off Steph and their system.

 

[dman14]

I enjoyed kd on the team cause the rest of the league knew it was a wrap. The league needed a heel to root for. Always have.

 

[wavycrocket]

what are you talking about? you’re just automatically assuming they’d lose then the in between years? if we didn’t get KD we for sure would of gotten someone else we had really good contracts and fiscals at that time. This is a terrible take lol. They were 73-9 before they got KD. And that would have been a few years of prime unleashed Curry. We all saw how much he sacrificed those years when Kd left and he went back to whooping on people.

That’s the funniest thing to me. A 73-9 team, with their core smack in their prime. Coming off of winning a chip, and then losing in 7. With $35 million in cap space….was just going to stay put

 

[WASHED KING]

Weakest move in NBA history.

 

[Brownstone]

Good video describing Wolves team defense and some of the ways Gobert impacts the court outside of his matchup

Highlight for me is how the consistency of length and active defenders compounds on the Suns over the course of the game

 

[wavycrocket]

u realize that team wasn't winning without kd right?
so how is it a steph system

u put kd around that much talent they win on any team or "system"

Kevin Durant told you out of his own mouth that Steph Curry is the system WHILE he was with Golden State

 

[WASHED KING]

Outside of a fluke 2022 run GS has been a bottom dweller since KD left. They have 2 injury fueled rings, and 2 kd rings.

They should've brought the same core back in '17 and ran it back against Cleveland.

 

[toneboi76]

Coming back from injury isn’t a challenge?

Sure it is but I’m talking about strictly between the lines. He should easily be a top 10 player all time based on his skills and his trajectory at a young age. But he’s simply not.

 

[WASHED KING]

If you have Steph in your top 10 how is KD not?

KD > Steph

 

[Brownstone]

Any podcasts ya'll listen to on ball? Zach Lowe sometimes for me but sometimes he is too in the weeds and his main guest is unlistenable.

I actually like Bill Simmons recently, even though he is the homer of all homers with the Celtics, but I skip through Celtics talk

 

[Brownstone]

If you have Steph in your top 10 how is KD not?

KD > Steph

KD was the best player on those Warriors teams

idc what Draymond or anyone else says

 

[WASHED KING]

KD was the best player on those Warriors teams

idc what Draymond or anyone else says

And it's not even close.

 

[pmatic]

Video proof of why Steph has had a better career than KD.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Not like the discussion or energy in here right now

Not gonna let you dudes throw my chakras out of whack

Taking half a PTO day

See y'all tonight

 

[WASHED KING]

Not like the discussion or energy in here right now

Not gonna let you dudes throw my chakras out of whack

Taking half a PTO day

See y'all tonight

Standing back and Standing by?

You're turning real conservative lately.