The Ultimate Football Thread 2013-2014 Vol. 4 EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A etc

^Good to have you back in here Babam. :nthat:




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Worst/longest international break ever.

I want to ******g see Ozil.....Saturday cant get here fast enough!
 
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^Ha thanks but I haven't gone anywhere. I read this thread everyday. I'll start contributing more now that silly season is finally over :smokin. Some of my boys are coming up to Chicago this weekend to visit me. One is a United fan, one is a Chelsea fan. We are bar hopping to the local United, Arsenal and Chelsea bar for the Saturday games. Should be interesting standing at the United and Chelsea bars in my Sagna jersey :lol:
 
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England: A Footballing Nation in Decline
Posted on September 12, 2013 by Kain Watson

england England: A Footballing Nation in Decline
It is an unequivocal fact that the English Premier League sits atop the throne as the most popular sports league in the world. Whether it be in terms of viewing figures, TV revenue or sponsorship deals, the likes of La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga immediately forfeit pole position to the Premier League. A powerhouse in world football, many elite players make the move to England (and now Wales) citing it as “the best league in the world”.
There are even cases for this argument to be true. For instance, eight English teams have contested the last 10 Champions League finals (Manchester United three times, Chelsea twice, Liverpool two times, and Arsenal once). As such, the increasingly infuriating question is why does the England national team have so little to show for it?
Much has been made recently of the decline of English players plying their trade in the Premier League. New FA chairman Greg **** highlighted a “frightening trend” regarding the lack of home-grown talent representing England’s top league. In its inaugural season, 69% of players in the Premier League were qualified to play for England. Now, this figure has plummeted to just 32%. This equates to almost 70% of players in the Premier League being from overseas. If we compare this to other nations, the figures speak for themselves. Arguably the best two footballing nations in the world right now – Spain and Germany – have 40% and 46% of foreign players appearing in their top national leagues, respectively. Similarly, France’s Ligue 1 has 45% and Italy’s Serie A has 54%.
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So why is this the case? One can speculate that because of the sheer volume of money in the English league, there is more pressure and expectation to succeed. Former England defender Rio Ferdinand has voiced the very credible notion that chairmen want “immediate success.” He explains that if vast sums of money have been spent on foreign players commanding hefty wages, the chairmen will simply not allow these players to sit in the stands and be a reserve to young English prospects. As a result, the talented youngsters are often made to play reserve football in front of a crowd of mere dozens. Some incredibly talented English prospects are left with no alternative but to seek a move from a Premier League club in order to pursue regular first team football; as was the case for Tom Ince. However, more often than not, their progress is halted and many stagnate in the reserves until their contract expires and they are snapped up by a team in a lower division.
Assuming the above to be true, why don’t managers take a risk and have some faith in their academies that nurture the future of English football? Simply put, they don’t have to. Again, the money made available to English clubs is far superior to that of many foreign counterparts. The average money made by Premier League clubs from TV revenue alone stands at £40m per year. Compare this to La Liga where only Barcelona and Real Madrid command more than this and the problem with English football becomes more evident. Even the ‘lesser’ Premier League teams are in a strong enough financial state to shell out millions on importing foreign talent. It is more economically viable to spend big to ensure that they stay in the top division so they can reap these monetary benefits.
This is not the case in other European countries, however. With the majority of clubs not being able to flex their financial muscles, they are forced to produce their own players or scour the lower leagues for talent. What does this result in? Let’s use Spain as an example. They have 60% of home-grown players representing their top league. They have received £340m in transfer fees since 2010 from Premier League clubs alone. They recorded an overall profit on transfer dealings this summer even after the purchases of Neymar and world-record holder Gareth Bale. They are the reigning champions of Europe and the world. These facts speak for themselves.
So what should be done? In danger of sounding xenophobic, we need to limit the amount of money and faith we afford to foreign players and managers. The likes of Cantona, Bergkamp, Henry, Zola and even Arsene Wenger, too, have undoubtedly had huge positive effects on the English game. But they are the exceptions. For every Zola, there’s a Juan Sebastian Veron. For every Henry, there’s an Adrian Mutu. For every Bergkamp, there’s an Andriy Voronin. The list goes on. We have talent in lower leagues, and Rickie Lambert is evidence of this. He has worked his way up through the tiers, and as soon as he was given a chance to prove himself on the elite stage he took it with both hands. He was the joint top-scoring Englishman last year, level on 15 goals with Frank Lampard. It is no mean feat to score as many as that for a club finding it’s way after a recent return to the Premier League. However, at 31 years of age, Lambert is approaching the twilight of his career and he will be a testament to how many of England’s top clubs ignore the talent pool on their own front doorstep at their peril.
“But English players are so expensive!”. This is a myth. A brilliant article by Chris Andersen dispels this notion. For those without the time to read the article, it basically factors many variables and compares English players to overseas players in many aspects and pricing. It was found that, on average, an English player is £1.5m cheaper than an identical import. We believe this ‘myth of the English premium’ because of a phenomenon known as confirmatory hypothesis testing. We are more inclined to notice an expensive English ‘flop’ even though they are so few in number – though credit is due to Liverpool for hoarding the majority of them – than we are to notice the many number of English players who are bought so cheaply. Similarly, when a bargain-bin foreign success story is found – be it a Michu or a Cabaye (or ‘Kebab’ if you’re reading, Mr. Kinnear) – we have a predisposition to think that quality foreign players can be bought so cheaply. We choose to ignore anything which contradicts this belief and our original, inaccurate bias is therefore ‘confirmed’. The lesson here is to spend money wisely.
As previously mentioned, Arsene Wenger has indisputably benefitted the English league in numerous ways. This comes as standard when serving in the country as Arsenal’s manager for the best part of two decades. But in modern day football managers are changed as often as a germophobe’s underwear. Unfortunately the trend here also mirrors that of Premier League players.
In the 1992/1993 season, 17 of the 22 managers were English and the remaining 5 were otherwise-British or Irish. There were no foreign managers in so much as even an assistants’ position. If we compare this to today’s figures, the difference is astounding. There are currently 10 managers of foreign nationalities appointed in a Premier League club’s hot-seat. There are 6 managers accounting for Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Northern Ireland, collectively. This leaves a mere 4 English managers in charge of a Premier League club.
To put that into context, Spaniards comprise 1***** of the managers in La Liga, there are 14/18 German managers in charge of a Bundesliga team, a huge 16/20 of the managers in Italy’s Serie A are Italian and France leads the way with 17/20 having a Frenchman at the helm.
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As a rule, a foreign manager gives no thought to the English national team. Why should he? He’s collecting his wages whether England qualify for the World Cup or not and spares no time thinking about the future of our national football. What I find incredibly worrying is that Southampton – a club renowned for producing excellent quality home-grown talent in Walcott, Lallana, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shaw and the world’s most expensive ever player Gareth Bale (albeit being Welsh) – appointed Argentinean Mauro Pochettino as manager in January and in his first full transfer window he spent almost £35m on foreign players. This is detrimental to the development of the English youth system which is already suffering and is indicative of what lies ahead for English football if this trend continues.
So why is this occurring? Why is it that we currently have 10 foreign managers in the Premier League when there have only ever been 33 managers hailing from outside the British Isles to manage a club competing in the Premier League? The answer may be due to lack of effective coaching.
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Table 4. A table showing the number of coaches holding a UEFA coaching license in each country and the ratio of players-per-coach for each country respectively. (Data taken from The Guardian and soccerbythenumbers.com).
As you can see, the number of English coaches holding a UEFA coaching license is dismal in comparison to other major European nations. A ratio of 1 UEFA-qualified coach to every 812 active football players for this country is pathetic. This stat effortlessly highlights the failings of The FA to produce quality in quantity. Their website claims that “the importance of coach education can never be under estimated”. That’s all well and good making that obvious observation in hindsight, but why has it been neglected for so long? We haven’t realistically competed for any major international honours for decades and Greg **** has recently verbally surrendered the next 5 international tournaments claiming we won’t be realistic contenders for anything until at least 2022. Sadly, it’s almost impossible to present a credible case which would suggest otherwise. At the European Under-21 Championships this summer England lost every game in their group without registering a single goal from open play. On the other hand, Spain were crowned champions, winning every game and fielding an enviable squad including David de Gea, Daniel Carvajal, Asier Illarramendi, Thiago Alcantara, Isco, Rodrigo, Cristian Tello, Alvaro Morata and Iker Muniain. If we were to assess our chances against that squad in a few years time the outcome would be very grim reading, indeed.
Granted, England can boast the opening of the £120m St. George’s Park as a signal of intent to building towards a brighter future. However, this project started in 2001 and funding was cut in 2003 – causing a huge postponement – because it was deemed that funding the largely unnecessary ‘New Wembley’ was a priority. Make of that what you will. The facilities include a luxury hotel with many specialised suites (the managerial suite included a birds nest) and a 90-seat auditorium which has been soundproofed for karaoke. We all know that Spain achieved world dominance because Andres Iniesta and Xavi do a fantastically moving duet of ‘Islands in the Stream’, right? To borrow a quote from The Guardian’s Barney Ronay, the St. George’s Park complex resembles the naïve desperation of a fat man deciding to lose weight by buying a really expensive tracksuit. Maybe I’m wrong and this will prove to be the signalling of a new era. But, excuse my cynicism, our current era is not much of a platform to build on.
Let’s face it; there has been a huge change in football culture in this country. We see footballers on the front page of newspapers equally as much as on the back. If they’re not caught in a prostitution scandal or an attempted rape case they are involved in assaults, gang activity or some recreational legal highs. Bear in mind some of these apply to players representing our national team. England’s finest. The icons and role-models are few and far between, nowadays. Who will we proudly exclaim was the embodiment of the exemplary English footballer of our generation? Who is this generation’s quiet, reliable, clincal Lineker? Who is this generation’s supremely talented, loveable rogue, Gazza? Who is our gallant, fearless, talismanic Shearer? Who are our lions?
Unfortunately, they are pampered as cubs. David Sheepshanks, chairman of St George’s Park, suggests that academy players are paid too much money and don’t have to do the hard work that former apprentices used to. Training becomes a drudgery and not an opportunity. A sense of entitlement befalls the youngsters, perhaps exemplified by England’s aforementioned U21 European Championship failings. Stuart Pearce went on record as saying that players who had graduated to the senior England squad adopted an apathetic attitude towards representing the U21s. “Once they go through the golden ivory towers of the seniors they don’t want to play with the Under-21s anymore. Our boys, for whatever reason, be it the power of the Premier League, the finance they get at such a young age, whatever it may be, there is a lack of real passion to want to play for your country no matter what.” I couldn’t agree more. Stuart Pearce is perhaps one of the most qualified men to give this opinion. A former England captain, a part of England’s backroom staff and a perennial member of England’s soldiering Italia ‘90 and Euro ’96 squad – he knows what is needed to play in a successful England team. And in his professional opinion, England does not have it.
The notion that “we are England – one of the best in the world” needs to be abandoned. England has some players that could walk in to any club in the world, granted. But these world-class players have honed their skills playing for their respective teams. The English national side is simply not a team and it hasn’t been for some time. Besides which, a national football team isn’t just about the players. It’s an indictment of the talent of a nation’s coaching, a nation’s footballing philosophy and a nation’s fans. This is why England is a footballing nation in decline.
When writing this section I thought to myself how many times I’ve referred to myself as an England fan or used the term “we” to endear myself to England. I checked and the answer was ‘none’. This wasn’t for dramatic effect, and it may have been in an effort to remain impartial, but I can honestly say I feel such a minimal attachment to the English national team, and I’m sure I’m not alone. But the sad truth is that we will all be there next June with our eyes on the World Cup. We will all allow ourselves to listen and sing along to Baddiel and Skinner and cry out with emotion whilst covered in goosebumps that “we still believe…”
But we really shouldn’t.
 
They just hired a yes man.....I'm super disappointed. Now theres a high probability that I'ts going to more of the same. Hes one of those coaches that likes playing older guys because of "heirarchy", so again more torrado, maza, an salcido. All the old *** players hes signed or at one point had on his teams are all lobbying for him right now to succeed, they know theres a chance they get called for their "character" bypassing their form SMH. At this point all we can do is wish him luck and hope he succeeds. If anything one of the positives about him is he knows how to adjust and win finals, because those last two games we have left are definitely finals.  I'm just happy that he wasn't guaranteed the next cycle in his contract, they're gonna see how it works out in these next two games.

Fassi the vice president from Pachuca group was on the phone with ESPN and he said that a month ago when BEFORE they had reconfirmed chepo as the coach and given him another shot he had reached out to Marcelo Bielsa and he was willing to take the squad and he brought that to the owners meeting shortly after and instead the ownerds decided to stick with Chepo. SMH Marcelo Bielsa on board, attractive football, a guy with character like chepo, and we definitely have the money to pay him (earnings second to brazil), but we kept the guy failing? That had to be one of the worst decisions ever.

Justino Compean and Innaritu should have been shown the door with chepo.
I've heard the complete opposite in other forums about Vuceitch. Tactical, plays with lots of patience but manages to win no matter what. I'm staying optimistic about him and see who he calls up and who he starts. He has 4 weeks to get the team functioning and hopefully pulling a win in the next two matches.
 
Giroud is 2 years younger as well.

We shall see who has a better season, I already know who will.

I think Soldado > Giroud

But Giroud will have the better season. I really think he will benefit from Ozil. But if i was starting a team and i had to take a striker and i had these two to choose from...im taking Soldado.
 
Every year people write Arsenal off and say they won't make the CL and every year they end up in Top 4 and ahead of Spurs. I love it.

I have not written Arsenal off. I'm very confident they will not be title contenders, but their coveted prize of 4th place is still wide open. What I have been saying, and will continue to say is that if Spurs get their act together and begin to gel, history may not repeat itself.
 
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Always fun to see Arsenal n Spurs fan argue about who is the second best team in London, you both suck lol.
 
That article Mastamind89 posted is funny. It mentioned English talent having to go else where. What talent is the article talking about Ince, Nathaniel Chalobah or Ben Davies perhaps?

I could count on one hand (maybe a half of another) how many solid U20 footballers that maybe there for England. The sad thing is the FA isn't moving at all to make improvements in the youth movement or creating better coaching. Chairman **** would rather have a presser & moan about foreigners in the Prem...
 
French comedian Oliver Bourg has a show on French TV like Punk'd. Here he's dressed as a footy fan harassing the ish out of Samir Nasri who seems to have the patience of a saint...
 
Haha, speaking of pranks. I don't know if any of you ever saw this but this is Angel Di maria getting punk'd by David Luiz while they were at Benfica. This dude Di Maria was really about to fight the Portuguese cops. Hilarious stuff here :lol:


 
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It will be nice to watch some club footy this weekend. Along with Barca vs Sevilla, I'm interested in watching the Inter vs Juve game. Inter is much improved compared to last year (specifically their defense). Playing the juggernaut that Juve is should be a good test to see how they measure up.

Juve is pretty stacked now with nice depth, in addition to most likely winning another Scudetto (to add to their scudetti), they should be a legit contender for the CL.
 
@Squawka: Bayern Munich averaged 58% possession last season, but under Pep Guardiola, that figure has risen to 63%, the same as Barcelona this term.

But since its only been 4 games

@Squawka: In the exact same 4 fixtures last season, Bayern averaged 57% possession, this term it's gone up to 62.5%.

Clearly Pep's influence and ideals will begin to show soon...
 
Whelp, looks like FA Chairman **** is putting some money where his mouth is... This sounds good, but let's see where this goes.

There was a great feature on NBC's weekly Prem show about the Prem's U15 tournament. 2 British teams qualified but I can't remember which ones. Ajax's team won this year. I think Chelsea's won last year. If you can, check it out.

http://www.thefa.com/News/thefa/2013/sep/fa-premier-league-commission-120913


Premier League clubs confirm their commitment to working with The FA on youth development

The FA and Premier League clubs have agreed to work together to help improve the development of and opportunities for English players by joining a Commission being set-up by FA Chairman Greg ****.

**** was present on Thursday as representatives of all the Premier League clubs met in London.

And the clubs have confirmed their commitment to engaging in a collaborative and co-operative manner with the debate and process outlined by **** from his recent speech.

The Premier League clubs, Board and Executive will all contribute their expertise, knowledge and understanding of the issues and challenges in regard to producing English players who are of the standard to play both at Premier League and international level.

The structure of this engagement will be defined between the Premier League and The FA as more detail about the process envisaged by The FA Chairman is established.

**** said: “The intention of my speech regarding the development and progression of English players was to discover why there are fewer and fewer English players at the top level, and the point of any debate is to find solutions.

“I am very keen that the Commission works with everyone in football and particularly the Premier League, both as an organisation and its individual member clubs. Clearly they have a lot to contribute to the process.

“We already know there is a lot of good work going on but I suspect there is more to be done.

“The FA’s investment in and commitment to coaching is exemplified by St George’s Park. The Premier League’s focus on Youth Development through the Elite Player Performance Plan promises much.

“I am pleased that the Premier League clubs, Board and Executive all want to contribute to the Commission I am setting up.

“There is a great deal of knowledge there and I am sure we will be able to find some very concrete ways of improving the pool of talent available to England managers.”

Premier League Chairman Anthony Fry added: “It is evident from discussions with the clubs that there is a strong desire to see greater numbers of England-qualified players coming through their Academy systems that are capable of performing at both Premier League and international standard.

“The investment that has already gone into the new youth development system through the structuring and implementation of the Elite Player Performance Plan demonstrates this.

“We are grateful to The FA for their support for this quality-based approach, as well as their undertaking to drive standards of coaching and coach education forward. In both areas a lot has been achieved and there remains plenty to be done.

“There is no doubt around the Premier League table as to the benefits of a national set-up that is thriving and performing well.

“That is why the Premier League clubs, Board and Executive all signed up to contributing to the process of debate initiated by Greg and helping to identify any appropriate outcomes that will serve to improve standards and delivery in respect of player development.”
 
It's great that they're being proactive as opposed to just absent-mindedly blaming foreigners. Seems to be a go-to excuse in Europe for a lot of things (and behind closed doors in America.)

I'd love for a foreign player like Kun Aguero to come out and say how bad the level of play in the premier league would be without foreigners.

It's funny to think that if the 9th place to 20th place teams in the EPL had only English players, their NTs still wouldn't be any better even though it would increase those statistics like crazy. On top of it, there wouldn't be much happening in terms of developing players who should be starting for a World Cup contender (which is really where all this fuss comes from. Nobody really cares about the poor kid who can't get minutes for Sunderland because of the African transfer starting ahead of him.) You'd just have players that should be riding the bench or playing in the Championship getting first team action to get walloped even worse by the top sides.

The problem is that England isn't producing enough young top level talent that's worthy of starting for ManU, Chelsea, City, Arsenal, and Liverpool.
 
Major early test for Roberto Martinez at Goodison. Two clean sheets thus far, but Chelsea is a different animal.

The club requires a transition period from Moyes to Martinez. Strong organization is a priority carried over to the new manager. However, emphasis on controlled possession is a new strength for Everton. Pushing Leighton Baines forward at every opportunity wide, encouraging Kevin Mirallas and Steven Pienaar to remain more central. Baines is crucial to Everton's counterattack and creating offensive chances for Martinez. Romelu Lukaku is far better in the air and simply more deadly in front of net than Jelavic. The introduction of James McCarthy will help as well to increase Everton's goal scoring record. Let's all keep an eye on Ross Barkley as Everton's new #10, in a more advanced and creative position. While offsetting the late loss of Fellaini, much to the chagrin of Phil Jagielka.
 
The problem is that England isn't producing enough young top level talent that's worthy of starting for ManU, Chelsea, City, Arsenal, and Liverpool.

BUT...

In the North London Derby TWO weeks ago, The Gunners started Jack Wilshere, Carl Jenkinson, Theo Walcott, and Kieran Gibbs. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain would've also started if he wasn't injured.

The TALENT is IN England, it just needs to be unearthed, coached and developed better.
 
Butland, Shaw, Kane, Jones, Barkley, McEachran, Chalobah, Carroll, Powell, Ince, Wickham, Zaha, Sterling, Ox, Berahino.
 
Man, you can find almost anything on youtube... Vid of the drill hit. It's not close to as bad/malicious as the pics look...

I still believe Zidane is one of those dudes who can still go out on the pitch and be the best player. He's always training with the players. :lol:

If Isco and Modric get injured, bring Zidane back. I'd like to see him thread the needle to Ronaldo for some goals. He's in good shape. :lol:
 
I have not written Arsenal off. I'm very confident they will not be title contenders, but their coveted prize of 4th place is still wide open. What I have been saying, and will continue to say is that if Spurs get their act together and begin to gel, history may not repeat itself.


I honestly was speaking about the person who had the entire list of predictions and said we would finish 5th and claimed we don't have anyone for Ozil to pass to. I don't necessarily think we will be title contenders either but who really knows at this point. No one has looked all that impressive and every one has question marks. It's just funny to me how this happens every yea that's all.
 
I have no horse in this race.

Mes could very well be the difference maker for a CL spot for Gunners. I read an interesting article about tackles and challenges won regarding Ramsey, eliminating Wenger's need for a true holding pivot.

Everything comes down to the performance of Giroud, Walcott, and Podolski versus Soldado, Lamela, Defoe.

I'll be severely disappointed in AVB if Spurs fails to secure CL football. Levy pulled all the right strings after the Bale sale. Capoue, Chadli, Chiriches, Lamela, Paulinho, Soldado. What more could you ask for as a manager?

Chelsea, City, and United are all vulnerable. There's no clear favorite for the domestic title. Most of the top managers prioritize defensive organization. We should be witnessing lower scoring affairs. Lamela's quality to create and finish opportunities in front of net will be vital. Soldado as well.

Roberto Martinez also proclaimed Everton's goal to be a top-4 finish. I'd be impressed with top-6 with Liverpool looming.
 
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