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Shaq and MJ only needed one other elite guy and they were good. Same with Bean. Bron played GM twice and still got smoked. KD well he shouldn't even be in the discussion given what he did to win.
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Shaq and MJ only needed one other elite guy and they were good. Same with Bean. Bron played GM twice and still got smoked. KD well he shouldn't even be in the discussion given what he did to win.
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Have the Lakers won a chip this season? I must have missed the parade.
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Yeah I won't disagree too much with you here because we both agree it's Michael
But yeah I don't think Durant should be in the discussion for the one guy you'd start your team with. He's down at least one tier
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You certainly can
I’m not stopping you fromMaking the case lmao I personally value what happened in the finals more and like I said, it’s the low points from bron that sting a little more
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No it's a fact. We haven't won **** so not giving him credit for a number 1 seed cause we've seen that movie before. Y'all stay trying to redefine what it actually means to win.
How so? Kobe, Wade. Pippen.
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Yeah, I disagree with this. 2014 KD, Bron’s reign in the East, they’re clearly good enough to build a contender at their peaks with competent pieces surrounding them and again all things being equal. Same age, same gm, etc. I prefer what Bron and KD are to what Jordan was.
KD kind of shaky but the 6’11 3 level elite scorer, good passer and functionally great defender I’m goin with
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Give king james his flowers while he’s still here...
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To BUILD around....
Duncan
Shaq
Bron
Steph
Kobe
KD
Outside of Jordan....I think those guys....in that order for one franchise will yield you a great chance at winning...for various reasons.
We can’t discount the level of consistency and how malleable Tim Duncan is as a franchise guy. Overall...there are a couple of models/mentality to winning.
I think the two extremes are the LeBron Model & The Tim Duncan model. The players I mentioned fall in between those spectrums.
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convince me that prime shaq would still be prime shaq in today's game without the illegal defense rules
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@ The Face he made when he hesitated.
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It was only a matter of time before
PERIMETER BIAS
But hey if you have MJ #1 then I can't really argue the rest. It's debatable as hell
KD over Jordan I just can't go there. I get that the idea of him is great but when we're talking the #1 overall pick I have to split hairs. Which means you look at what he actually accomplished and beyond the numbers. LeBron even before Michael has him beat at both if we're being honest
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7’1 super athlete at like 320. Surround him with some competent shooting, and another shot creator and we rolling. He was a good enough passer to make it work
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Depends on the version of prime shaq. Prime athletic Shaq (Magic) or prime stats Shaq (Lakers)
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If you build around Kobe, you can't convince me your "SOLE" goal as a GM is to win.
Nah.
That's my man but nah.
Nah.
That's my man but nah.
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Where y’all putting Giannis at?
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What do you mean by this?
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Contending and winning are 2 different concepts. For as great as KD was in the regular season in 2014 they lost to SA in the conference finals.
Gimme Jordan and one other elite guy and issa wrap.
Bron with 2 of em and its still up in the air.
KD had one in Russ and then went to GS.
There's a much longer list of players that can put you in contention.
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There are even like 2 or 3 versions of Lakers Shaq though
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KD’s BS aside with his whole being over sensitive. He’s such an all time player.
6’11 , range , handles, play making.
6’11 , range , handles, play making.
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Of everyone listed, he is the absolute last choice for me to want to build my team around.
I don't even think he should be in the discussion forreal. I don't think he really elevated his teammates to the level those others do/did. Not even close.
But I will leave it alone because I am not sure people will be morally honest with this topic due to the circumstances.
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NObody is thinking about him man. We are talking all-time greats. He ain't in this conversation yet.
He has a contemporary, Leonard, that he wouldn't even be nominated above.
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Damb shame about the injury, he had all the chance to improve his legacy and vault up. Seems unlikely now
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