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How many more hoops and hurdles you willing to go through to discredit MJ, dog?
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How many more hoops and hurdles you willing to go through to discredit MJ, dog?
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what about Brendan Haywood in the airport?
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Must be Sunday ..
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Pistons coming off 3 straight Finals appearances and 2 straight titles
Lakers with Magic 2nd place in MVP votes
Jazz could have been historically great.... if..... not for Michael
and that Blazers team also could have been historically great if not for DET/MJ/Magic
3 consecutive years:
Finals Loss to DET
Conference Finals Loss to LAL
Finals Loss to CHI
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Because it undermines how difficult it is to get any NBA stat, even one time. It's offering a criticism by making these things super easy for Russy, that if he chose to just be selfish and do those things, they are that easy for him. That's... not a criticism.
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Normally I can put up with the nonsense but I never thought he could get more dense
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I appreciate you responding and I respectfully see it differently. I don’t think anyone is saying what Russ does is “easy.” It is hard. That said, there is a difference between just playing to win and being consciously aware during games of what your stats are and trying to hit certain statistical goals.
For example, a player is in a more advantageous position to grab a rebound that player doesn’t guard his man on the perimeter and instead hangs out near the basket. And a player is generally more likely to get assists if he has the ball in his hands the vast majority of the time and holds it until he shoots or makes a pass that leads directly to a shot.
And to be fair, I don’t limit this to Russ. Like, I think DeAndre Jordan’s rebounding numbers with the Clippers were big in part because he was always around the basket, regardless of where his man was. Sure, it lead to a lot of 20 rebound games for him, but also meant he got routinely torched by big men who could shoot from outside.
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Lollll
So you’re a diehard Sixer fan and post in the Sixer thread all the time yet me having a random private dinner with our lead beat writer that’s around the players and staff every single day and gave me the scoop on a lot of behind the scenes **** that nobody knows about is something I shouldn’t share with Sixers fans in the Sixers thread?
I’m sure TMZ is lurking our Sixers thread on Niketalk every waking minute for juicy gossip.
Ay if you somehow end up right beside Brendan Haywood and Kevin Ollie on a trip out to Vegas then you can feel free to give us all the details you want. Promise I won’t complain about the level of celebrity they are.
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“Private dinner”
Keith Pompey ain’t no celebrity. The only gossip you shared is the stuff pushing your own narrative about you know who. we can pull the receiptsI mean I literally talk to Rip Hamilton every Dolphins home game but you don’t see me with the chatty patty
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Who was on NT when Kevin Love's bro snitched on Brandon Jennings and the SATs? I remember someone took his post and it spread on the message boards. He ended up deleting his post.
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Entered, it has
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You can't talk about competition without ignoring how incredibly weak the East was during Bron's entire run there from 11-18.
In those 8 seasons out of 120 All NBA selections the East had 32 players from the conference not named Lebron selected (39 if you include him). That's 26% (33%). Also of those 32 East players, 4 were his own teammates (Wade and Kyrie). So 28 players from the conference that weren't on Bron's team made all NBA during the 8 straight Finals run, only 22%.
In Jordans 3 peat run x2 (6 seasons) out of 90 All NBA selections, the East had 38 players from the conference not named Jordan selected (44 if you include him). That's 42% (48%). Of those 38 East players, 5 were his own teammates (Pippen). So 33 from the conference weren't on MJ's team, 37%.
It's an abject joke to try to suggest the competition was better for Bron. They both faced the elite of their eras in the Finals players wise, but MJ's road was considerably tougher to get there.
In those 8 seasons out of 120 All NBA selections the East had 32 players from the conference not named Lebron selected (39 if you include him). That's 26% (33%). Also of those 32 East players, 4 were his own teammates (Wade and Kyrie). So 28 players from the conference that weren't on Bron's team made all NBA during the 8 straight Finals run, only 22%.
In Jordans 3 peat run x2 (6 seasons) out of 90 All NBA selections, the East had 38 players from the conference not named Jordan selected (44 if you include him). That's 42% (48%). Of those 38 East players, 5 were his own teammates (Pippen). So 33 from the conference weren't on MJ's team, 37%.
It's an abject joke to try to suggest the competition was better for Bron. They both faced the elite of their eras in the Finals players wise, but MJ's road was considerably tougher to get there.
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He had these obscure stats on DECK
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I’m not talking to Haywood or Kevin Ollie if I see them.
That Brendan Haywood and Joseph Forte team was the reason I became a UNC fan. Kevin Ollie is a former Sixer who was on our 2001 Finals team. It’s possible for people to be more excited about meeting certain people than you. I didn’t go running up to them asking for autographs, they literally ended up right next to me and I had brief conversations with them about free agency and **** that was going on.
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Ok.
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No but really, how the hell did he have those numbers
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This wasn't the first time that ridiculous argument has been made on here. I think his former self xtralebronstan tried to do it as well.
Truth teller, I will not let the propaganda stand!
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I really messed with this team.....
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Those Pistons were washed. I'm actually more impressed that he took the '90 Pistons to 7 games than him beating those clearly washed '91 Pistons.
The Lakers were coming off a season where they lost to the Kevin Johnson/Tom Chambers Suns in the second round.
The Jazz lost to Hakeem both seasons the Bulls didn't win. And following the 98 finals loss, they lost in the second round in the 99 playoffs.
Blazers? Historically great? Who was their second best player? Terry Porter? Kevin Duckworth? Not that even their best player was top 10 of all time material either. Or top 20 for that matter.
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“Private dinner”
I mean I literally talk to Rip Hamilton every Dolphins home game but you don’t see me with the chatty patty
Gossip? Pushing a narrative?
Buddy...the Sixers have been probably the most interesting team in basketball for the past few years because of all the ridiculousness that’s gone on with our team that nobody has any answers for. And the #1 most interesting thing that was the topic of conversation especially at that time is how our #1 overall pick who was supposed to be the next James Harden forgot how to shoot a basketball immediately after putting on a Sixers uniform. Yes, obviously I’m going to ask a guy about it who saw him in person every single day from the beginning of that. Fultz also wasn’t the only player that I told you dudes **** about.
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Both Jordan and Bron faced the elite of their eras in the finals, both have had historic finals performances and even if you wanted to say bron faced better teams in the finals, IMO it wasn’t by much. You can give him that. 73 win warriors, spurs 3x, I mean you can give him that. 96 Sonics 97 and 98 jazz, 93 suns were really good too though.
Where it gets hard is the low points. No player (to the best of my recollection) has had low points as low as lebron has had in the finals. 2011, 2007 sweep, 2018 sweep, 5 game blowout in 2014, 5 game gentleman sweep in 2017 with Kyrie and K Love,
I mean you can say you don’t want to hold this against bron and add context, but IMO that’s when you get into the category of doing too much. We’re talking about the greatest of all time. There’s a standard that’s clearly established and if you’re claiming bron as the standard you’re CLEARLY omitting ring count, playoff flameouts, finals sweeps, etc and it’s harsh but again we’re talking about THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME. Just find myself throwing way too many qualifiers to justify bron as being the greatest when it shouldn’t be necessary if he really was.
Now if you’re talking pound for pound most skilled then that’s another story and IMO bron can box there but he needs a ring in LA and some more longevity that’s the only way he can break into that tier one of greatest of all time.
Where it gets hard is the low points. No player (to the best of my recollection) has had low points as low as lebron has had in the finals. 2011, 2007 sweep, 2018 sweep, 5 game blowout in 2014, 5 game gentleman sweep in 2017 with Kyrie and K Love,
I mean you can say you don’t want to hold this against bron and add context, but IMO that’s when you get into the category of doing too much. We’re talking about the greatest of all time. There’s a standard that’s clearly established and if you’re claiming bron as the standard you’re CLEARLY omitting ring count, playoff flameouts, finals sweeps, etc and it’s harsh but again we’re talking about THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME. Just find myself throwing way too many qualifiers to justify bron as being the greatest when it shouldn’t be necessary if he really was.
Now if you’re talking pound for pound most skilled then that’s another story and IMO bron can box there but he needs a ring in LA and some more longevity that’s the only way he can break into that tier one of greatest of all time.
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