Thread about Jesus - Questions, Bible Verses and Prayer Requests

[durtyraspburry]

OP if I jump off the roof of a skyscraper and while free falling change my mind and accept Lord Jesus as my savior. When I pancake that concrete do I get to be on the list for a Heaven's suite or do I tailgate in Hell?

Your mind is doubtful. He wants your heart.

If you did, yes.

But, if you are truly going to repent best to do it now.

 

[Comparison Ford]

 

I have a question, not only for OP but all "believers"

Have you ever thought about what if you are completely wrong? What if all the bull you guys are spewing out is just that, complete nonsense? What if everything you believe, all your utterly judgmental views, all those made up biblical stories were wrong? These are serious questions

There is absolutely no way you can prove god is real or that anything in bible actually happened. So there is no definitive way to justify anything you guys are preaching

Im agnostic so I do not believe in the typical image of god and religion. BUT I have come to terms with the fact that I could be completely wrong. As much as I do not believe it, there could very well be a god and everything thing you guys believe could end up being 100% true.

So I urge you guys to consider that. Your lives are no more better or more righteous because you believe.

How are you expecting answers WHILE kicking dirt in our face?

Apparently acknowledging reality is "kicking dirt" now. 

 

[ballahb]

nah i feel you b. but i'm just saying, you don't have to be around the bush. but what you just said basically means, "my hope is that everyone converts." lol. because what you found, converted you into a Christian.

1 Timothy 2:11-12

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

what greater cause does that serve?

You found that scripture but didn't research the purpose of it?

there are many verses in the bible that say women should submit to men. I'm asking you sir, what greater cause does that serve?

 

[knowledgebones72]

Ok, so I've definitely taken Christ into my heart.


And I'm absolutely sure that most of the Bible is metaphor and an amalgamation of ancient religions, filtered into a new version for a population in need of a new overarching religion after so many Jews started to question Judaism, leading to this one Jew named Jesus to point out not only the hypocrisies of religion but of societal power structures.


But that's not at all what most Christians think.


Are you saying it's all subjective?

Im saying you haven't accepted him as  your Lord and savior.
You love being blind, thats why your are throwing smokescreens.

Who are you to say that?

My relationship with Jesus Christ and his Father is between me and them.

You are not a Christian. You are a troll.

I love being blind? Nah, man. I love learning and thinking and exploring myself and my beliefs.

I'm gonna say this again: you are not a Christian. By coming at me like that, you just showed me how fake your faith is. I'm glad you were able to get over your personal issues by joining a group that you feel is superior to others, but that is NOT what Christianity is about. I am sincerely disappointed in you for coming at me like this, when you claim to be a Christian.

I don't throw smokescreens. But you have done that MULTIPLE times in this thread. I ask you a question, you throw smokescreens, and when I ask you to clear those smokescreens up you attack my faith. That is despicable, and quite frankly you have no place speaking on any faith whatsoever. I am truly offended, and once again I would like to state how saddened and disappointing I am in your fraud. It is gross, and you are gross.

 

[jab step]

I understand what your saying

Actually, my beliefs brings ME personally some peace of mind in this effed up world

It may not be for you, but that's fine & I respect it

Oh for sure, I get that and totally understand it. A lot of stuff in the world is confusing. It's human tendency to try to explain things, make sense of what's happening. 

But why Christianity? Why Islam? Why Hinduism? Etc etc. That's what I never will get. If you could answer, why you follow Christianity? For most the religion they choose is the one they grew up around. 

And I especially don't like the religions that say if you do not follow this you are damned. That just sounds like something people made in order to control/keep order within societies. No kind hearted, loving god would be that narrow minded. 

 

[rko2004]

there are many verses in the bible that say women should submit to men. I'm asking you sir, what greater cause does that serve?

Men are the leaders of their households. That's not to say women are futile or anything. My mom was superior to me growing up. So was my older brother. Doesn't mean I'm less of a human.

It builds foundation. Husband and Wife become 1 but Husband should be a strong man of God who can lead his family.

 

[durtyraspburry]

 
I have a question, not only for OP but all "believers"

Have you ever thought about what if you are completely wrong? What if all the bull you guys are spewing out is just that, complete nonsense? What if everything you believe, all your utterly judgmental views, all those made up biblical stories were wrong? These are serious questions

There is absolutely no way you can prove god is real or that anything in bible actually happened. So there is no definitive way to justify anything you guys are preaching

Im agnostic so I do not believe in the typical image of god and religion. BUT I have come to terms with the fact that I could be completely wrong. As much as I do not believe it, there could very well be a god and everything thing you guys believe could end up being 100% true.

So I urge you guys to consider that. Your lives are no more better or more righteous because you believe.

Have I ever thought?

Before i became born again yes.

The bull I've spitted out could be nonsense, The Word of God however is the truth.

If they were wrong then who am I to believe, your views?

There are 2 ways you can prove to yourself. 

Either you accept him and you will have the biggest revelation or your life.

or

You see him on Judgement Day, and its too late then.

 

[rko2004]

Apparently acknowledging reality is "kicking dirt" now. 

Well you say acknowledging reality as if your views of what I believe have been proven. If it were, then we wouldn't be in this thread discussing this.

 

[htg designs]

I have a question, not only for OP but all "believers"

Have you ever thought about what if you are completely wrong? What if all the bull you guys are spewing out is just that, complete nonsense? What if everything you believe, all your utterly judgmental views, all those made up biblical stories were wrong? These are serious questions

There is absolutely no way you can prove god is real or that anything in bible actually happened. So there is no definitive way to justify anything you guys are preaching

Im agnostic so I do not believe in the typical image of god and religion. BUT I have come to terms with the fact that I could be completely wrong. As much as I do not believe it, there could very well be a god and everything thing you guys believe could end up being 100% true.

So I urge you guys to consider that. Your lives are no more better or more righteous because you believe.

Good proposal.
I have no stress at all. Even in tough times, which aren't scarce. No anxiety or fear. I'm respectful and polite to all, no matter what walk of life. I'm more humble and I try to maintain a servants heart. Im honest, faithful, and loyal to those I encounter. These changes have come about since I accepted Yeshua/ Jesus and have become more obedient to Gods commands. Do people who have these traits and behavior exist who aren't believers? Maybe. But this is the fruit of my faith. So if its all crap, I'd still be satisfied with what I have given up to become who I am.

 

[Comparison Ford]

 

Apparently acknowledging reality is "kicking dirt" now. 

Well you say acknowledging reality as if your views of what I believe have been proven. If it were, then we wouldn't be in this thread discussing this.

Okay...now we're gonna go back and re-read the initial post and you can tell us what needs to be proven:

 
I have a question, not only for OP but all "believers"

Have you ever thought about what if you are completely wrong? What if all the bull you guys are spewing out is just that, complete nonsense? What if everything you believe, all your utterly judgmental views, all those made up biblical stories were wrong? These are serious questions

There is absolutely no way you can prove god is real or that anything in bible actually happened. So there is no definitive way to justify anything you guys are preaching

Im agnostic so I do not believe in the typical image of god and religion. BUT I have come to terms with the fact that I could be completely wrong. As much as I do not believe it, there could very well be a god and everything thing you guys believe could end up being 100% true.

So I urge you guys to consider that. Your lives are no more better or more righteous because you believe.

 

[offset pow clow]

lol bro it wasn't Bin Laden, scape goat to put fear in your heart. Stop watching the news. 

View media item 1109087
Show me the proof but until then i will believe religion is the reason behind 9/11

 

[rko2004]

Okay...now we're gonna go back and re-read the initial post and you can tell us what needs to be proven:

I suppose we COULD be wrong as you COULD be wrong.

Made up bible stories? Is that a fact that they are made up fairy tales?

I honestly want to know where morals and Right/Wrong originated from Seeing as there is no superior being to direct us.

 

[eazye 804]

 

[durtyraspburry]

Who are you to say that?

My relationship with Jesus Christ and his Father is between me and them.

You are not a Christian. You are a troll.

I love being blind? Nah, man. I love learning and thinking and exploring myself and my beliefs.

I'm gonna say this again: you are not a Christian. By coming at me like that, you just showed me how fake your faith is. I'm glad you were able to get over your personal issues by joining a group that you feel is superior to others, but that is NOT what Christianity is about. I am sincerely disappointed in you for coming at me like this, when you claim to be a Christian.

I don't throw smokescreens. But you have done that MULTIPLE times in this thread. I ask you a question, you throw smokescreens, and when I ask you to clear those smokescreens up you attack my faith. That is despicable, and quite frankly you have no place speaking on any faith whatsoever. I am truly offended, and once again I would like to state how saddened and disappointing I am in your fraud. It is gross, and you are gross.

Even if I gave you all the answers in the world, you would still not believe.

Only through faith will you know the truth.

Winning you over through answers wont save you, It'd just create a false conversion. 

Its only out of love I speak to you the only answer you need. 

The answer is Jesus Christ. Accept him, or live in sin.

 

[Comparison Ford]

 

Okay...now we're gonna go back and re-read the initial post and you can tell us what needs to be proven:

I suppose we COULD be wrong as you COULD be wrong.

Made up bible stories? Is that a fact that they are made up fairy tales?

I honestly want to know where morals and Right/Wrong originated from Seeing as there is no superior being to direct us.

Morality is guided by reason, not faith.  We understand that we're one human being out of billions of others who are no more or less special or deserving than we are.  With this in mind, it's only rational to treat others the way you'd like to be treated. 

If you need a higher power to dictate to you that murder, rape, theft, etc. is wrong, you're a pretty sad individual.

And by "made up bible stories," are you insinuating that stories such as Noah's Ark are potentially true?

 

[tupac jordan]

I bet all the top religious leaders couldn't pass a lie detector test if asked if they believed in God(s)

 

[knowledgebones72]

Who are you to say that?


My relationship with Jesus Christ and his Father is between me and them.


You are not a Christian. You are a troll.


I love being blind? Nah, man. I love learning and thinking and exploring myself and my beliefs.


I'm gonna say this again: you are not a Christian. By coming at me like that, you just showed me how fake your faith is. I'm glad you were able to get over your personal issues by joining a group that you feel is superior to others, but that is NOT what Christianity is about. I am sincerely disappointed in you for coming at me like this, when you claim to be a Christian.


I don't throw smokescreens. But you have done that MULTIPLE times in this thread. I ask you a question, you throw smokescreens, and when I ask you to clear those smokescreens up you attack my faith. That is despicable, and quite frankly you have no place speaking on any faith whatsoever. I am truly offended, and once again I would like to state how saddened and disappointing I am in your fraud. It is gross, and you are gross.

Even if I gave you all the answers in the world, you would still not believe.
Only through faith will you know the truth.

Winning you over through answers wont save you, It'd just create a false conversion. 

Its only out of love I speak to you the only answer you need. 
The answer is Jesus Christ. Accept him, or live in sin.

Who said I'm looking for all the answers in the world? I'm exploring myself and my faith.

You suggest I haven't accepted Jesus Christ, speaking from some pedestal, when YOU'RE living in as much sin as anyone here. Don't do that, because that is judgement. You are in no position to speak to me like that, simply because I ask questions. Asking questions and exploring this world of ideas and ideologies around you are not the same as "trying to find answers." I'm looking to talk about YOU'RE perspective on things, but it's becoming more and more clear that you simply don't have a perspective. That is the same as paying lip service.

I don't promote ignorance, I don't promote a MAN taking on the role of JUDGE when it comes to another man's heart. But is VERY clear that you do.

You need to take a step back and figure out where you could be doing better in your faith. Because you seem to think you are FAR more in tune with your faith than you REALLY are.

 

[rko2004]

Morality is guided by reason, not faith.  We understand that we're one human being out of billions of others who are no more or less special or deserving than we are.  With this in mind, it's only rational to treat others the way you'd like to be treated. 

If you need a higher power to dictate to you that murder, rape, theft, etc. is wrong, you're a pretty sad individual.

And by "made up bible stories," are you insinuating that stories such as Noah's Ark are potentially true?

We're in 2014. All those things you mentioned developed from what?

 

[boris]

There is a very dedicated troll here. 

 

[htg designs]

 With this in mind, it's only rational to treat others the way you'd like to be treated. 

But some people dont even respect themselves. What then?

 

[ballahb]

Okay...now we're gonna go back and re-read the initial post and you can tell us what needs to be proven:

I suppose we COULD be wrong as you COULD be wrong.

Made up bible stories? Is that a fact that they are made up fairy tales?

I honestly want to know where morals and Right/Wrong originated from Seeing as there is no superior being to direct us.

Morals come from reason and are subjective. They come from how a person is raised as a child. If there was a supreme being that gave it to us wouldn't all of our morals be relatively the same?

in the eyes of the Nazi's the holocaust was right.
But in the eyes of everyone else, and rightfully so, it was morally wrong.

 

[htg designs]

There is a very dedicated troll here. 

Dont know why but this had me

 

[rko2004]

There is a very dedicated troll here. 

I don't see Putty or FutureMD or Anton anywhere.

 

[rko2004]

Morals come from reason and are subjective. They come from how a person is raised as a child. If there was a supreme being that gave it to us wouldn't all of our morals be relatively the same?

in the eyes of the Nazi's the holocaust was right.
But in the eyes of everyone else, and rightfully so, it was morally wrong.

As children we are trained and taught. Who taught the originators of our laws and REASON? Was it just learned? I mean that many beings self diagnosing things?

 

[ncvikingx97]

I always laugh when I get asked that. First of all, what they do doesn't derail my relationship with God. Second point being Catholicism does things a bit differently. Quite a bit I think.

What qualifies Catholicism as in christian? I'm genuinely curious.