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To all of you whose unconditionally committed to Obama
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Man , dude needs to stop complaining . He's ALREADY getting taxed , but OP its Obamas fault ?
I'm not even sure YOU read the text . So basicallythat's like I'm getting beat up by 10 dudes for an hour . The last dude comes in and kicks me in my leg . Am I going to say , "he harmed me!" ? No . I'm not . I'm going to blame the people that beat me up BEFORE . Dudes need to realize that Barack Obama isn't even President yet ;he's President Elect . Funny that people think all this stuff happening to the economy and Prop 8 is Obama's fault . My dude , he hasn't even DIDANYTHING yet . Men need to suck it up , everything can't benefit EVERYONE . It just WON'T happen . Small businesses / the rich have been getting thisbreak for a WHILE now . I hate when people only worry about themselves . Like the dude that wrote that really cares about people losing jobs . I bet he'dfire them if he thought he could make more money even if we weren't in this so - called "recession".
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Nothing has even happened yet .
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Nothing has even happened yet .
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who cares... this country is doomed regardless of who the president is...
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I know I'm the #1 Obama hater but come on. Rich people have been getting tax breaks for probably going on 8 years now. If you weren't stacking yourmoney when the going was good, you have nobody to blame but yourself.
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i get enough of this junk forwarded to my e-mail.. how about you quit posting it on NT too?
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..Riiiiiiight. Letter is irrelevent as far as Obama goes right now..there is still a president in office who's name isn't Barack..so..this letter,cliff note or whatever means what to us? Funny how there have already been hundreds of thousands of job cuts already across the nation and people keep fingerpointing at Obama. Do people realize he isn't in office yet..
let me know..I'm just wondering, i could have sworn bush was still in there...
BTW i liked both presidential candidates to a degree so there was no D' riding for Obama when i made my above statement
let me know..I'm just wondering, i could have sworn bush was still in there...
BTW i liked both presidential candidates to a degree so there was no D' riding for Obama when i made my above statement
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Oh my god, run for your life!!!!!!!!!!
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Seriously.
"It looks like numbers are down across the board...."
"Well that's because Obama raised taxes! (yeah that'll get 'em)"
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288,000 /qtr x 4 = 1,152,000/35% (Flat Corporate tax rate assuming its a PSC, Personal Service Company) = $3,291,429 NET INCOME that is after all expenses have been paid.
This Company probably made over 3 Million last year in Net Income and he wants to fire employees because the tax rates may go up?
Makes no damn SENSE!!
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That letter is BS. It's one of those stupid internet chain letters that goes around. I don't believe any part of it.
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hahahaha what is there to believe? It is a letter about one persons OPINION. Its not a true/false test. Man some of yall need to go back toschool.
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288,000 /qtr x 4 = 1,152,000/35% (Flat Corporate tax rate assuming its a PSC, Personal Service Company) = $3,291,429 NET INCOME that is after all expenses have been paid.
This Company probably made over 3 Million last year in Net Income and he wants to fire employees because the tax rates may go up?
Makes no damn SENSE!!
Most corporations probably pay less than 20% in taxes maybe 25%. Exxon paid like 11% or 7% I did the math a couple of months ago after looking attheir 10-K.
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288,000 /qtr x 4 = 1,152,000/35% (Flat Corporate tax rate assuming its a PSC, Personal Service Company) = $3,291,429 NET INCOME that is after all expenses have been paid.
This Company probably made over 3 Million last year in Net Income and he wants to fire employees because the tax rates may go up?
Makes no damn SENSE!!
Yeah you are right, he would have bring in that amount. People who make that much money don't like to lose money.
If I make $2 mill one year and you raise my taxes the next year, I may make the same amount of money, but I don't bring home the same amount of money.
How do I compensate for the money I lost? Lay off people or raise prices of goods and services.
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I do think people reading this "letter" and not looknig at it OBJECTIVLY are doing themselves a GREAT disservice. Yes there are parts of this letterwhich are broad scathing criticisms of people however thats patrially on purpose to drive the point home. I'm pretty much 90% sure its a ficticious letterso its really just to stimulate your mind.
I am happy Obama is going to be president, I feel he is the right person for the job, however again to REALLY look at all the promises he has made and act likeeverythings gonna be all good is just a fallacy. If people choose to ignore all the points the otherside makes they are setting themselves up for dissaster andpartaking in the EXACT action they so heavily critiscized the other side for.
I would call myslf a fiscally conservative and socially liberal person. I am 25 years old and for about a year now have been running my own business. I reallyam not much different then you all, except EVERYDAY I definetly feel EXACTLY how the author describes himself in his younger life. I don't work from 9-5and collect a steady paycheck. I work from when I wake up till when I go to sleep, and basically only get breaks to check a website everyonce and a while toclear my mind or step outsde to smkoe a cigerette. TRUST ME, IT REALLY IS NO FUN AT ALL, BUT IT IS THE SACRIFICE I HAVE CHOSEN, and it is not one where rewardsare reapt immediatly. I do see people living lives just like described. checking in for 4o hours a week, and then checking out, which simply isn't how itis for the other side, especially during the struggle to create a business. I'm not jealous of anyone living that way. my usual quote on it is that "IWISH I HAD IT THAT WAY, because I have to wait on the gamble I have put my money in before even being able to count a dollar". Its just a fact statement,I'm not jealous now, but in many ways the workers has the advantage over me at this stage, while I HOPE to have my own advantages at a later time, and Ijust hope to be able to build an entity which people enjoy and I enjoy running while being able to support a lifestyle I desire. I order to do so I have towork the hadrest because the weight of all decisions and outcomes rests on me.
I'm not saying one side has it right, both sides are neccessary, however what I am saying is thinking that people should be thrilled to be taxed higher soyou can have tax cuts and get more health care is just a very greedy mindset. It seems many people ignore the part where the guy says if he had MORE moneyhe'd actually put it back into employees and the company. People are being VERY malicious about the whole concept of what it means to have a ben or whatnot, but bottomline that man did more to deserve it then a regualr employee. he gambled and won, and people are mad because they ONLY get this from their jobor ONLY get that? I don't see how that it right.
Bottomline is its guys like that that supply this country with jobs, they ALREADY pay everyones health benefits, and so many others, so why should he not bemad to have to pay more, while everyone else pays less and GETS more? Maybe ya'll haven't been around businesses so youdon't understand, but yourcurrent health beenfits are a LARGE part of your bosses bottomline.
To me this isn't about Obama or Bush or McCain. its about us. Is it right that the people making 250000 a year, which really isn't that much shouldhave the same tax INCREASE and the guy making 10million? The major problem is that the new ideas are far too simple. I'm all for people making millions ayear paying more, but I really think the plan starts increases at too low an earnnigs number and dont account for ANY of the higher numbers. WHy can't anA-rod or a Bill Gates pay more then just some guy starting a business? Why does the common person feel they should GET more health benefits while paying lessand leaving it on someone elses tab? Trust me I'm not throwing million dollar yacht and champagne parties, I'm far from the fat cat people havedeveloped this hatred for, so why be so happy to see me lose another 5%? I'm not the guy you are mad at or ever should be. I'm just like you, and soare MANY of the poeple that many BLIND followers wanna demnoize
It's no fun to pay taxes, but it's just irresponsible to not look at it objectively. What is the average $50000 a year employee gonna do with theirstimulus check or newly acquired tax breaks? same thing they get mad at the boss for doing, buying smoething extra.
I don't believe we ar falling down the "slippery slope" into socialism at all, but i do think we need to take a more realistic approach to theway we want to change taxation. i'm all for highering taxes on the rich. AS A RESPONSIBLE AMERICAN I'D BE WILLING TO PAY MORE MYSELF, BUT EXTREMELYLARGE JUMPS FOR THE NOT SO EXTEMELY RICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I really hope some of ya'll whoare so negative and scathing in your responses and REREAD the letter because in an age when everyone wants to b the nextentrepenuer or puff daddy or whatever else understand these are the things that will cross your plate
I am happy Obama is going to be president, I feel he is the right person for the job, however again to REALLY look at all the promises he has made and act likeeverythings gonna be all good is just a fallacy. If people choose to ignore all the points the otherside makes they are setting themselves up for dissaster andpartaking in the EXACT action they so heavily critiscized the other side for.
I would call myslf a fiscally conservative and socially liberal person. I am 25 years old and for about a year now have been running my own business. I reallyam not much different then you all, except EVERYDAY I definetly feel EXACTLY how the author describes himself in his younger life. I don't work from 9-5and collect a steady paycheck. I work from when I wake up till when I go to sleep, and basically only get breaks to check a website everyonce and a while toclear my mind or step outsde to smkoe a cigerette. TRUST ME, IT REALLY IS NO FUN AT ALL, BUT IT IS THE SACRIFICE I HAVE CHOSEN, and it is not one where rewardsare reapt immediatly. I do see people living lives just like described. checking in for 4o hours a week, and then checking out, which simply isn't how itis for the other side, especially during the struggle to create a business. I'm not jealous of anyone living that way. my usual quote on it is that "IWISH I HAD IT THAT WAY, because I have to wait on the gamble I have put my money in before even being able to count a dollar". Its just a fact statement,I'm not jealous now, but in many ways the workers has the advantage over me at this stage, while I HOPE to have my own advantages at a later time, and Ijust hope to be able to build an entity which people enjoy and I enjoy running while being able to support a lifestyle I desire. I order to do so I have towork the hadrest because the weight of all decisions and outcomes rests on me.
I'm not saying one side has it right, both sides are neccessary, however what I am saying is thinking that people should be thrilled to be taxed higher soyou can have tax cuts and get more health care is just a very greedy mindset. It seems many people ignore the part where the guy says if he had MORE moneyhe'd actually put it back into employees and the company. People are being VERY malicious about the whole concept of what it means to have a ben or whatnot, but bottomline that man did more to deserve it then a regualr employee. he gambled and won, and people are mad because they ONLY get this from their jobor ONLY get that? I don't see how that it right.
Bottomline is its guys like that that supply this country with jobs, they ALREADY pay everyones health benefits, and so many others, so why should he not bemad to have to pay more, while everyone else pays less and GETS more? Maybe ya'll haven't been around businesses so youdon't understand, but yourcurrent health beenfits are a LARGE part of your bosses bottomline.
To me this isn't about Obama or Bush or McCain. its about us. Is it right that the people making 250000 a year, which really isn't that much shouldhave the same tax INCREASE and the guy making 10million? The major problem is that the new ideas are far too simple. I'm all for people making millions ayear paying more, but I really think the plan starts increases at too low an earnnigs number and dont account for ANY of the higher numbers. WHy can't anA-rod or a Bill Gates pay more then just some guy starting a business? Why does the common person feel they should GET more health benefits while paying lessand leaving it on someone elses tab? Trust me I'm not throwing million dollar yacht and champagne parties, I'm far from the fat cat people havedeveloped this hatred for, so why be so happy to see me lose another 5%? I'm not the guy you are mad at or ever should be. I'm just like you, and soare MANY of the poeple that many BLIND followers wanna demnoize
It's no fun to pay taxes, but it's just irresponsible to not look at it objectively. What is the average $50000 a year employee gonna do with theirstimulus check or newly acquired tax breaks? same thing they get mad at the boss for doing, buying smoething extra.
I don't believe we ar falling down the "slippery slope" into socialism at all, but i do think we need to take a more realistic approach to theway we want to change taxation. i'm all for highering taxes on the rich. AS A RESPONSIBLE AMERICAN I'D BE WILLING TO PAY MORE MYSELF, BUT EXTREMELYLARGE JUMPS FOR THE NOT SO EXTEMELY RICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I really hope some of ya'll whoare so negative and scathing in your responses and REREAD the letter because in an age when everyone wants to b the nextentrepenuer or puff daddy or whatever else understand these are the things that will cross your plate
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This letter is a prime example of a GREEDY business owner who doesn't want to pay his fair share of taxes. Maybe I am reading too much into this because of my profession as a public accountant but there is no way someone making over $3 mil in Net Profits should be complaining about firing employees due to an increase in taxes. Like I said.. makes no sense what so ever.
First off... The Jersey Shirt. Well thought out response that I could not agree more with. Its a shame though that you wrote more than 4 sentences soyou're gonna have NTers asking for Cliffsnotes or just ignore entirely what you just wrote.
I dont see how this guy can be categorized as a GREEDY business owner who doesnt want to pay his fair share. Like Rex said... what is his fair share that heshould be paying? I work for a small business myself, and my boss/owner of the company does very well for himself but I cant knock him for being a youngmillionaire. He worked hard to get an Ivy League education and put that education to work. His work ethic and entrepeneurial spirit (not to mention the longhours, and several month long stretches of taking home NO pay) helped him build this company to what it is today. Should he not reap the benefits of hislabor? 6 years in now, the company is rockin and he is basically on autopilot but it aint his fault.
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I agree.... lets see what he actually does.
That being said "not yet" is the key phrase.... we know what to expect because of Obama's OWN WORDS about what he was going to do... so we'rejust taking Obama at his word.
So we'll see what he actually decides to do.
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Originally Posted by TBONE95860
Oh is that right??
He could EASILY do worse.
A lot of people just don't know their American History.
Do a little reading.
The Bush era was NOT very bad at all compared to other periods during our history (if you need to ask me for examples... once again, do a little American history reading)
People think we are in HARD economic times right now....
Please... this is nothing compared to the possibilities.
my man you should probably take off your blinders now.
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obviously you're either a mathematics person or a person studying business, probably the latter. if you had real world experience you would know that thosenumbers are not that cut and dry in reality. your little scenario is nice but it doesn't really work that way.
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How? What did I say that's false?Originally Posted by BIG FAME ONE
my man you should probably take off your blinders now.Originally Posted by TBONE95860
Oh is that right??
He could EASILY do worse.
A lot of people just don't know their American History.
Do a little reading.
The Bush era was NOT very bad at all compared to other periods during our history (if you need to ask me for examples... once again, do a little American history reading)
People think we are in HARD economic times right now....
Please... this is nothing compared to the possibilities.
Do you not know about the history of America and all of the other bad economic times we've had?
If you do you'd know how they compare to the 8 years we've had with Bush.
And if you don't think it's possible that things could get worse under Obama, then you just don't know what you're talking about.
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You've taken it all wrong.
The point of the letter from the way I see it is has more to do with Obama's beliefs and policies that he's said he will implement.
And then the effect that it will have on him & then what actions he'll have to take.
Like this is a letter that WILL be sent out.... (NOT that has already been sent out).... once Obama gets into office & starts doing what he says/wants todo.
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