Why aren't convicts being used in the US military?

[retrotwos]

Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

Originally Posted by peks03

since i am currently still serving in the military, i read all the replies to this thread to see how NT thinks and i am amazed at the amount of ignorance in some of them.

I am going to go ahead and say you aren't talking about me. I am DoD with a security clearance and I've done a time in the desert in an extremely sensitive position. I know what I'm talking about.

i rarely post here on NT and ive never directed a post towards anyone before but LMAO at this guy thinking 6 months in some kush area in Iraq probably as they guy that watches the local nationals cook with a "security clearance" makes him a credible source. #$@ out of here with this garbage. and yes there are people in the military with a "record" now. but best believe those offenses were small and looked at very closely. also, smh at people thinking the military is composed of nothing but "low lives" with no other options that are racist, killers, blah blah blah. this thread honestly makes me sick. but then again we in the military are over here doing what we have to do in order for you to make such outrageous comments FREELY.

 

[datznasty]

Military is full of people who join just to kill sand monkeys?

Wow. The overwhelming majority of people in the Armed Forces work behind a desk anyways, which is a big #1 why this wouldn't work. I'd assume you mean put them in and deploy them to war, obviously the risk of them being bitter at the country and aligning with the enemy to give them "secrets," is one, they could simply run away, giving them guns =/= a good idea.

And while there are convicts in the Military, they are limited in the type of MOS they can choose because they won't be able to get a security clearance. So they end up doing things like Master Driver, Band, Food Service, etc. As for them being low lives with no other options, agian a laughably wrong generalization. But internet people love having strong opinions about things they know nothing about, so I can't say I am surprised.

 

[datznasty]

Military is full of people who join just to kill sand monkeys?

Wow. The overwhelming majority of people in the Armed Forces work behind a desk anyways, which is a big #1 why this wouldn't work. I'd assume you mean put them in and deploy them to war, obviously the risk of them being bitter at the country and aligning with the enemy to give them "secrets," is one, they could simply run away, giving them guns =/= a good idea.

And while there are convicts in the Military, they are limited in the type of MOS they can choose because they won't be able to get a security clearance. So they end up doing things like Master Driver, Band, Food Service, etc. As for them being low lives with no other options, agian a laughably wrong generalization. But internet people love having strong opinions about things they know nothing about, so I can't say I am surprised.

 

[elderwatsondiggs]

Originally Posted by RetroTwos

Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

Originally Posted by peks03

since i am currently still serving in the military, i read all the replies to this thread to see how NT thinks and i am amazed at the amount of ignorance in some of them.

I am going to go ahead and say you aren't talking about me. I am DoD with a security clearance and I've done a time in the desert in an extremely sensitive position. I know what I'm talking about.

i rarely post here on NT and ive never directed a post towards anyone before but LMAO at this guy thinking 6 months in some kush area in Iraq probably as they guy that watches the local nationals cook with a "security clearance" makes him a credible source. #$@ out of here with this garbage. and yes there are people in the military with a "record" now. but best believe those offenses were small and looked at very closely. also, smh at people thinking the military is composed of nothing but "low lives" with no other options that are racist, killers, blah blah blah. this thread honestly makes me sick. but then again we in the military are over here doing what we have to do in order for you to make such outrageous comments FREELY.

That's some amazing speculation you made my dude, especially since you know nothing about me and what I was doing out there. That's all I'm going to say about that because if I went out of way to prove what I did and where I was I'd be in direct violation of my NDC and not worth losing a career over.

I see you didn't read before your dumb +%@ posted. Here it is again for you. What is so small about felonies specifically manslaughter. Shows how much you know. Too easy.

WASHINGTON (April 21) - Under pressure to meet combat needs, the Army and Marine Corps brought in significantly more recruits with felony convictions last year than in 2006, including some with manslaughter and sex crime convictions.

Data released by a congressional committee shows the number of soldiers admitted to the Army with felony records jumped from 249 in 2006 to 511 in 2007. And the number of Marines with felonies rose from 208 to 350.

Those numbers represent a fraction of the more than 180,000 recruits brought in by the active duty Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines during the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2007. But they highlight a trend that has raised concerns both within the military and on Capitol Hill.

The bulk of the crimes involved were burglaries, other thefts, and drug offenses, but nine involved sex crimes and six involved manslaughter or vehicular homicide convictions. Several dozen Army and Marine recruits had aggravated assault or robbery convictions, including incidents involving weapons.

Both the Army and Marine Corps have been struggling to increase their numbers as part of a broader effort to meet the combat needs of a military fighting wars on two fronts. As a result, the number of recruits needing waivers for crimes or other bad conduct has grown in recent years, as well as those needing medical or aptitude waivers.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, who released the data, noted that there may be valid reasons for granting the waivers and giving individuals a second chance.

 

[elderwatsondiggs]

Originally Posted by RetroTwos

Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

Originally Posted by peks03

since i am currently still serving in the military, i read all the replies to this thread to see how NT thinks and i am amazed at the amount of ignorance in some of them.

I am going to go ahead and say you aren't talking about me. I am DoD with a security clearance and I've done a time in the desert in an extremely sensitive position. I know what I'm talking about.

i rarely post here on NT and ive never directed a post towards anyone before but LMAO at this guy thinking 6 months in some kush area in Iraq probably as they guy that watches the local nationals cook with a "security clearance" makes him a credible source. #$@ out of here with this garbage. and yes there are people in the military with a "record" now. but best believe those offenses were small and looked at very closely. also, smh at people thinking the military is composed of nothing but "low lives" with no other options that are racist, killers, blah blah blah. this thread honestly makes me sick. but then again we in the military are over here doing what we have to do in order for you to make such outrageous comments FREELY.

That's some amazing speculation you made my dude, especially since you know nothing about me and what I was doing out there. That's all I'm going to say about that because if I went out of way to prove what I did and where I was I'd be in direct violation of my NDC and not worth losing a career over.

I see you didn't read before your dumb +%@ posted. Here it is again for you. What is so small about felonies specifically manslaughter. Shows how much you know. Too easy.

WASHINGTON (April 21) - Under pressure to meet combat needs, the Army and Marine Corps brought in significantly more recruits with felony convictions last year than in 2006, including some with manslaughter and sex crime convictions.

Data released by a congressional committee shows the number of soldiers admitted to the Army with felony records jumped from 249 in 2006 to 511 in 2007. And the number of Marines with felonies rose from 208 to 350.

Those numbers represent a fraction of the more than 180,000 recruits brought in by the active duty Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines during the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, 2007. But they highlight a trend that has raised concerns both within the military and on Capitol Hill.

The bulk of the crimes involved were burglaries, other thefts, and drug offenses, but nine involved sex crimes and six involved manslaughter or vehicular homicide convictions. Several dozen Army and Marine recruits had aggravated assault or robbery convictions, including incidents involving weapons.

Both the Army and Marine Corps have been struggling to increase their numbers as part of a broader effort to meet the combat needs of a military fighting wars on two fronts. As a result, the number of recruits needing waivers for crimes or other bad conduct has grown in recent years, as well as those needing medical or aptitude waivers.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, who released the data, noted that there may be valid reasons for granting the waivers and giving individuals a second chance.

 

[younglloyd]

Wouldnt they just run away? lol

 

[younglloyd]

Wouldnt they just run away? lol

 

[adameugene]

i understand the idea...but way to many things against this to make it happen

 

[adameugene]

i understand the idea...but way to many things against this to make it happen

 

[bijald0331]

I think there are differing discussions going on. Just answer this:

If the U.S. Military wasn't facing a dearth of volunteers for service, would you want convicts placed in the pool of qualified candidates? If yes, where would you draw the line in who to include?

 

[bijald0331]

I think there are differing discussions going on. Just answer this:

If the U.S. Military wasn't facing a dearth of volunteers for service, would you want convicts placed in the pool of qualified candidates? If yes, where would you draw the line in who to include?

 

[elderwatsondiggs]

Interesting article I stumbled upon.

[h2][/h2]

[h2]Report: Afghan, Iraq wars teaching US gang members military combat[/h2]Gang members in the US military are returning home from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan armed with knowledge of military tactics, a fact that could threaten the lives of law enforcement officers in the US and worsen the gang problem, according to a new report from the Chicago Sun-Times.

The report said that some gang members enlist simply to escape the gang lifestyle, or to avoid a lethal gang conflict. But "some gang members may also enlist to receive weapons, combat, and convoy support training; to obtain access to weapons and explosives; or as an alternative to incarceration."

The report went on to say: "Military-trained gang members also present an emerging threat to law enforcement officers patrolling the streets of US cities. Both current and former gang-affiliated soldiers transfer their acquired military training and knowledge back to the community and employ them against law enforcement officers, who are typically not trained to engage gangsters with military expertise."
http://rawstory.com/rs/20...ching-gang-gangs-combat/

 

[elderwatsondiggs]

Interesting article I stumbled upon.

[h2][/h2]

[h2]Report: Afghan, Iraq wars teaching US gang members military combat[/h2]Gang members in the US military are returning home from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan armed with knowledge of military tactics, a fact that could threaten the lives of law enforcement officers in the US and worsen the gang problem, according to a new report from the Chicago Sun-Times.

The report said that some gang members enlist simply to escape the gang lifestyle, or to avoid a lethal gang conflict. But "some gang members may also enlist to receive weapons, combat, and convoy support training; to obtain access to weapons and explosives; or as an alternative to incarceration."

The report went on to say: "Military-trained gang members also present an emerging threat to law enforcement officers patrolling the streets of US cities. Both current and former gang-affiliated soldiers transfer their acquired military training and knowledge back to the community and employ them against law enforcement officers, who are typically not trained to engage gangsters with military expertise."
http://rawstory.com/rs/20...ching-gang-gangs-combat/

 

[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

I think there are differing discussions going on. Just answer this:

If the U.S. Military wasn't facing a dearth of volunteers for service, would you want convicts placed in the pool of qualified candidates? If yes, where would you draw the line in who to include

  

This post should end this thread.

*Watches the thread go 12 pages without a response to thse basic questions*

 

[kix4kix]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

I think there are differing discussions going on. Just answer this:

If the U.S. Military wasn't facing a dearth of volunteers for service, would you want convicts placed in the pool of qualified candidates? If yes, where would you draw the line in who to include

  

This post should end this thread.

*Watches the thread go 12 pages without a response to thse basic questions*