Wilt's 100 vs. Kobe's 81. Discuss

[dt43]

Kobe's 81, not even close imo because the Lakers were actually down by like 20 at one point.

and for people saying "hurr durr it was the Raptors".. his 63 in 3 quarters against the 67-win Mavs was more impressive than Wilts also

 

[CP1708]

Guys, the 62 thru 3 is nice, but that's a 38 point quarter he would have needed ya know.  Come on. 

As for the 81, what many may not remember is he could have EASILY been at 88. 

He missed 2 free throws, those are easy on a night when you're feelin it, shoulda hit them.
He had a cherry pick all alone down court play, but Odom threw the ball too damn far, it went out of bounds, better pass, easy dunk
He had a basket waived off, one ref called block, other called charge, they went with charge, and the block ref had called an and 1. 

That's 7 easy points right there that puts him at 88. 

Add in that he sat 6 minutes of the second quarter (before anyone knew what was coming) plus the final minute of the game he came out.  Shave that down a couple minutes, give him 3-4 more minutes (no worries about minutes, the Lakers next game wasn't for 5 more nights, Phil could have played Kobe 48 if he thought it was needed) Kobe would have needed a dozen points in 3-4 more minutes to approach 100. 

In today's game, from the perimeter. 

Kid did 55, in a HALF.  Absurd. 


But none of us have seen anything in Wilt's game.  No one knows how it was, what he did that night, he just went off, plain and simple.  I have no idea which was more impressive nor does it matter to me.  Grand scheme, 100 is still 100.  Period.  Not ever going to be topped, Kobe gave one good run at it, still needed a few extra minutes and a couple extra bounces to get close.  *shrugs* 

 

[Betonblck]

Originally Posted by dmxfury

Both amazing, I'd take 100 but both are good


Another great one is Jordan in 86 in the playoffs against an all time great team while surrounded with average players. That 63 was not an easy 63

MJ's 63 is way more impressive to me than Kobe's 81. 

 

[deuce king]

Kobe lovers are at it again with this thread........SMH.

 

[cronicmolemolereturns]

Kobe's 61 is in three quarters against the Mavs is more impressive than his 81.

 

[mez 0ne]

As impressive as the 100 points was, it was pretty much a foul-a-thon to stop the clock and run up the score (on both ends)....just reading up on interviews about it seems like a game that was very hard to watch.

I'm more impressed that Wilt kept making his free throws

Kobe scoring 81 is unbelievable though and should not be discredited, to be on fire like that for the duration of a game is crazy.

 

[ldj]

Originally Posted by blacklion23

@Rex Ryan I agree Kobes 62 points game against the Mavs was very impressive, more impressive than the 81pts game IMO. For all the reasons LDJ mentioned Kobes 81>Wilts 100

to the guys who said regardless of competition... i was watching the special and the knicks coach said that their center didnt even show up because he was so drunk the night before that he blackout drunk when they was suppose to get on the team bus, and their pf/c backup had a broken arm. I know ppl say wilt couldnt help that but still a center of wilts statue being guarded by a sf/sg for 48 minutes... really. Do you realize just in mere size the advantage he has had. Name in any time or game even in todays rules where a center was guarded by a sf and a sg an entire game?

Plus like i said there was no zone defense, no trap, no lane violation, no 3 seconds in the key. Just the sheer fact you have a 6/7 inch advantage over a player and a 40 in vertical no way any one was blocking his shot. So basically they just threw hail marys he catch it, turn and dropped in the basket. Ball wasnt even touching the ground. Also they fouled the other team to prevent them from holding the ball and running the clock. So the entire game was built catered around him getting 100 points.

Kobe game was just in the flow of it. Its not like dudes where doing flagrant fouls, taking dudes out just so he could get easy basket. Yea he had the luxory of the 3 point line, but lets not act like wilt was some spot up shooter. Also while the raptors arent great, they are some what along the lines of being physically able to compete with kobe. Also in todays game youd probably get ejected if you where to foul guys/ flagrant on purpose just so they wont run the clock up. There is 8 on the baseline, 3 in the key, double/triple teams, zone defense, traps. And cant stress it enough he still shot a better percentage despite having a more difficult of degree of shots.

Kobe wasnt trying conciously to get that many points, and its not like the lakers where doing any and everything to ensure he score as many as he did. End of the day both a great achievements, but in todays game and the way it is structured a player getting 50 or more is a huge feat in itself. If anything oscars achievements triump them considering he was a perimeter player and getting triple doubles, and not some petty 12,10,11 like a rondo, i mean big time numbers like 25, 15, 20 on a nightly basis

 

[mez 0ne]

McGrady would've had 90 points that game guy was a monster

and I do agree MJ's 60+ points vs a top Celtics team in the playoffs was more impressive than Kobe's 81......its still amazing the amount of points they were able to put up in an NBA game.

 

[alex2182]

Originally Posted by TheBlackHole76

Originally Posted by denni5themenace

it's a shame people find ways to discredit kobe's 81 point game.

Isn't it also a shame that people find ways to discredit Wilt's 100 point game?

Nobody is trying to discredit Wilt but dude averaged 55 ppg one season, so him scoring 100 pts isn't that surprising. As a Kobe fan I have to go with 81 but when you see the footage it's really hard to go with Wilt, Kobe worked hard just to take 3 pters

 

[trasoul82]

Kobe's is better because I saw it and can see it again.

Seeing a performance >>>>>>> A guy holding up a piece of paper.

SMH @ folks trying to hype a "perfomance" that wasn't seen by virtually anyone. THERE IS NO FILM. So unless you or your parents or grandparents were there to witness and then and then pass the story down, I don't want to hear about it.



Here's a real question:

What was your favorite part of Wilt's performance?

What was your favorite part of Kobe's?

 

[budap06]

Its hard to say due to the fact the we have no footage of the 100 game.... I guess at the end of day 100 is more points, but for Kobe to put up what he did as a guard is special. I guess maybe for that reason they're really neck and neck. And that 62 in 3 quarters I think dude would have probably had 85-90. I remember the backlash from people wondering why he didnt play the 4th, they he dropped the 81 and people said he was padding at the end

. But that 05-06 season has to be one of the most heartbreaking seasons for me as a Laker/Kobe fan. Phil Jackson was back so that was good, but we had terrible pieces. Kobe had one of the most brilliant season's we'll ever see but due to their record there was no way he'd get the MVP. Then the playoffs start , Kobe Hits one of those all time playoff moment type of shots and they go up 3-1 on PHX.... Then lose. I hate Tim Thomas to this day 

..... Then Kobe get criticized all summer because he didnt shoot alot in game 7. Still hurts. Had they got by PHX they had a strong shot to get the finals and we could have saw a Shaq Vs Kobe Finals.



Sorry for going off topic

...... And I think Dude may still have one 65 Plus Game left in him

 

[Air273]

I remember the backlash from people wondering why he didnt play the 4th, they he dropped the 81 and people said he was padding at the end

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]and Wilt congrats on a career where your avg ppg in the reg season was much higher than in the playoffs(every single season!).....maybe you would have one more if you stepped up you game come playoff time? i guess that was due to the competition being better   reg season 30 ppg  playoffs 22 ppg

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[mr j 858]

Here is how stupid the statement of MJ's 63 point game against the Celtics in the playoffs is better than Kobe's 81 point game.

-First off MJ needed overtime in that game just to get 63 points.
-Second the Bulls lost that game and were bounced out of the 1st round that year.

 

[misterp0315]

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Pretty dumb thread. There isn't even footage of Wilt's game. Of course you'd be a stan and take Kobe's 81 after making this thread.

Last I checked Wilt scored a 100 and that's more than 81.

Also you should consider Wilt's entire stat line for the night; 100pts-25reb-2asst. A shame they didn't record blocks. While Kobe was 81 pts, 6 reb, 2 asst w/ 3 TOs, 3 stls.

Wilt set the bar.

No point in bringing up turnovers considering that they didn't start recording them until 1977-78.

Regardless, I think Kobe's 81 was more impressive, in my opinion. Lowly Raptors or lowly league? No way today's league would allow a single player to average 50 a game. Plus, Kobe creating his own shot from the perimeter as opposed to Wilt getting fed in the post without a 3 second violation just seems harder.

Also, I don't want to hear about how Kobe was pressing and Wilt wasn't. The Lakers were losing for 3 solid quarters. According to Wilt's teammate, their coach refused to take him out the game once he saw what was capable.

 

[darthska]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Kobe lovers and haters are at it again with this thread........SMH.

Fixed.

thachosen123:

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Kobe threads on NT unappreciation

.........rarely can there be an unbiased conversation about what he's done, or has failed to do.........AND THAT GOES BOTH WAYS
Exaaaaaactly.

 

[Truth]

Originally Posted by cguy610

Originally Posted by dmxfury

Both amazing, I'd take 100 but both are good


Another great one is Jordan in 86 in the playoffs against an all time great team while surrounded with average players. That 63 was not an easy 63

MJ's 63 is way more impressive to me than Kobe's 81. 

 

[airjordan jb23]

I have to go with Kobe's 81 because the intentional fouling going on during Wilt's 100 sounds

Either way, both are very impressive.

 

[throwback1718]

I respect both sides. But I'm not going to argue for or against something I have never seen our ever will see.

 

[mez 0ne]

Originally Posted by DTruth07

Originally Posted by cguy610

Originally Posted by dmxfury

Both amazing, I'd take 100 but both are good


Another great one is Jordan in 86 in the playoffs against an all time great team while surrounded with average players. That 63 was not an easy 63

MJ's 63 is way more impressive to me than Kobe's 81. 

MJ doing it vs a top Celtics team, playoff intensity, at the Boston Garden, vs 5 of 6 hall of fame players, carrying his team to a victory........ vs Kobe during a regular season game vs the Raptors (at home).
The Celtics were 40-1 at home that season....40 and 1.....and Jordan missed 64 games that season.

"He was hitting outside shots, driving to the hole. We had about everyone on the team guarding him," recalled Celtics legend Larry Bird. "He obviously was in a zone. He kept them in the game with big basket after big basket. We couldn't stop him. We tried to shade him to help, everything. You were talking about a different type of talent."

No stat padding in that game either.

 

[jordanxi45]

Wilt's 100 > MJ's 63 > Kobe's 81.

/thread.

 

[westcoastsfinest]

We don't have any footage of Wilt's 100 and Kobe's 81 was impressive especially as guard. But with that said, you cannot doubt 100 freakin' points in a game! 

 

[seasoned vet]

ugh, just RETIRE already Kobe......

 

[night marcher01]

Originally Posted by seasoned vet

ugh, just RETIRE already Kobe......

Why?

 

[Air273]

how can anyone really be impressed by someone that shoots more FGs than min played?

like someone said wilts teammates fouled the knicks towards the end to get the ball back to wilt so he can score 100, LAME
he shot 63 FGS!!! playing 48 min, he took the most shots(21) and scored the most points(31) in the 4th when they were winning by 20! LAME!!
i'm more impressed by his FTs than the 100 points
also knicks starting center missed the game....knicks only played 2 dudes that were over 6'6, 2!! and the replacement center 6'10 played only 20 min fouling out.....so 28/48 min the knicks only had one dude on the court taller than 6'6.........i think Duncan/Hakeem/Kareem could have put up better numbers in wilts shoes for that game.....again when wilt faced good teams in the playoffs his stat went waaaaaaay down.....LAME

hate to make this about jordan but i highly doubt jordan ever shot more shots than min played?? am i wrong?
Jordan holds the record for most points in the playoff game 63 best team in the NBA vs. kobe's 81 bottom 5 team in the NBA wilts 100 vs 6'6 dudes and being lame to foul the knicks to get the ball back....
i think most 50 point game games in the playoffs
at least 55 5 times in the playoffs
he had a 56 point game vs the heat in which he shot 20/30 and he only scored 2 in the 1st

 

[5am6oody72]

Originally Posted by MisterP0315

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Pretty dumb thread. There isn't even footage of Wilt's game. Of course you'd be a stan and take Kobe's 81 after making this thread.

Last I checked Wilt scored a 100 and that's more than 81.

Also you should consider Wilt's entire stat line for the night; 100pts-25reb-2asst. A shame they didn't record blocks. While Kobe was 81 pts, 6 reb, 2 asst w/ 3 TOs, 3 stls.

Wilt set the bar.

No point in bringing up turnovers considering that they didn't start recording them until 1977-78.

Regardless, I think Kobe's 81 was more impressive, in my opinion. Lowly Raptors or lowly league? No way today's league would allow a single player to average 50 a game. Plus, Kobe creating his own shot from the perimeter as opposed to Wilt getting fed in the post without a 3 second violation just seems harder.

Also, I don't want to hear about how Kobe was pressing and Wilt wasn't. The Lakers were losing for 3 solid quarters. According to Wilt's teammate, their coach refused to take him out the game once he saw what was capable.

Exactly. People talking as if Wilt's competition wasn't a step below today's players need to think about the numbers that Wilt averaged throughout his career. He put up 37 and 26 as a rookie. 50 points a game for a whole season. If the competition was so good, how was he able to AVERAGE 50 points a game for a whole year? 

 
And as others have said, based on the interviews it sounds like Wilt's teammates were intentionally fouling to draw out the game and give him 100 points. Plus no 3 second violations so he could literally just camp out there. 

Kobe played 41 minutes and scored 81 points, that's 1.98 points per minute. Wilt played 48 and scored 100, that's 2.08 points per minute. That extra .1 points per minute is not enough to overcome all the other factors (competition, teammates intentionally fouling, lack of 3 second call, worse shooting percentage) in my opinion. 

The way I see it, Wilt's 100 points was more about physical dominance and superiority while Kobe's was more about skill. That's not to say that Wilt wasn't supremely skilled, but how many guys on the court that night were on equal athletic footing with Kobe? How many were on equal athletic footing with Wilt? That's why it's infinitely more impressive to me that given pretty much the same physical tools as the rest of the guys on the court, Kobe's talent and ability was transcendent enough to get him 81 points.