Originally Posted by DeadsetAce
so you showed me statistically, brady is better (3 more games, but it is what it is)Originally Posted by Deuce King
Dam champ, when Brady is involved you don't miss a beat do you??......... As far as stats go.......
Brady
31 TD's
4 Ints.
3,561 yards passing
109.9 QB rating
14 games played
17 rushing yards
1 rushing TD's
Vick
20 TD's
5 Ints.
2,755 yards passing
103.6 QB rating
11 games played
613 rushing yards
8 rushing TD's
The fact that Vick missed 3 games this season and has stats that are comparable to Brady speaks for itself. Also, Vick not even being his team's starting QB at the beginning of the season and still leading his team to the record that have says alot as well. I think alot of people, not just on here but in the media as well sort of overlook Vick rushing yards or the he is aTHREAT in that area as a quarterback, at least the MVP voters. The traditional mindset is that a QB is suppose to pass only but Vick as well as others before him broke that mold.......or at least attempted to. The problem is that alot of people still have that mentality that a "real" QB isn't suppose to run........according to their definition. I've seen it happen with Randall Cunningham and I've seen it happen with my boy Steve Young. Now I'm seeing it with Micheal Vick. At the end of the day for any and everyone saying that Brady is or should be the MVP ask yourself if you were a defender, doens't matter which position which QB between Brady and Vick would you have more problems with right now trying to defend?? Matter of fact just ask any defensive coordinator if you can and see what they tell you.
Originally Posted by DeadsetAce
so you showed me statistically, brady is better (3 more games, but it is what it is)Originally Posted by Deuce King
Dam champ, when Brady is involved you don't miss a beat do you??......... As far as stats go.......
Brady
31 TD's
4 Ints.
3,561 yards passing
109.9 QB rating
14 games played
17 rushing yards
1 rushing TD's
Vick
20 TD's
5 Ints.
2,755 yards passing
103.6 QB rating
11 games played
613 rushing yards
8 rushing TD's
The fact that Vick missed 3 games this season and has stats that are comparable to Brady speaks for itself. Also, Vick not even being his team's starting QB at the beginning of the season and still leading his team to the record that have says alot as well. I think alot of people, not just on here but in the media as well sort of overlook Vick rushing yards or the he is aTHREAT in that area as a quarterback, at least the MVP voters. The traditional mindset is that a QB is suppose to pass only but Vick as well as others before him broke that mold.......or at least attempted to. The problem is that alot of people still have that mentality that a "real" QB isn't suppose to run........according to their definition. I've seen it happen with Randall Cunningham and I've seen it happen with my boy Steve Young. Now I'm seeing it with Micheal Vick. At the end of the day for any and everyone saying that Brady is or should be the MVP ask yourself if you were a defender, doens't matter which position which QB between Brady and Vick would you have more problems with right now trying to defend?? Matter of fact just ask any defensive coordinator if you can and see what they tell you.
I agree w/ you in theory. Vick had made strides in throwing, but he's not on that Brady level of read/recognition @ the moment. But I think you understate the difference between the difference between Brady and Vick via their legs. There are there are elite throws that Brady can make that Vick can as well. There are runs that Vick makes that Brady would have 0% of a chance to make. The difference between Brady & Vick in the air is not nearly as large as the difference between the two on the ground.
I agree w/ you in theory. Vick had made strides in throwing, but he's not on that Brady level of read/recognition @ the moment. But I think you understate the difference between the difference between Brady and Vick via their legs. There are there are elite throws that Brady can make that Vick can as well. There are runs that Vick makes that Brady would have 0% of a chance to make. The difference between Brady & Vick in the air is not nearly as large as the difference between the two on the ground.
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im not saying brady is the better player or deserves it more. im saying there isn't a clear cut winner at this point, that's all.Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
Originally Posted by DeadsetAce
so you showed me statistically, brady is better (3 more games, but it is what it is)Originally Posted by Deuce King
Dam champ, when Brady is involved you don't miss a beat do you??......... As far as stats go.......
Brady
31 TD's
4 Ints.
3,561 yards passing
109.9 QB rating
14 games played
17 rushing yards
1 rushing TD's
Vick
20 TD's
5 Ints.
2,755 yards passing
103.6 QB rating
11 games played
613 rushing yards
8 rushing TD's
The fact that Vick missed 3 games this season and has stats that are comparable to Brady speaks for itself. Also, Vick not even being his team's starting QB at the beginning of the season and still leading his team to the record that have says alot as well. I think alot of people, not just on here but in the media as well sort of overlook Vick rushing yards or the he is aTHREAT in that area as a quarterback, at least the MVP voters. The traditional mindset is that a QB is suppose to pass only but Vick as well as others before him broke that mold.......or at least attempted to. The problem is that alot of people still have that mentality that a "real" QB isn't suppose to run........according to their definition. I've seen it happen with Randall Cunningham and I've seen it happen with my boy Steve Young. Now I'm seeing it with Micheal Vick. At the end of the day for any and everyone saying that Brady is or should be the MVP ask yourself if you were a defender, doens't matter which position which QB between Brady and Vick would you have more problems with right now trying to defend?? Matter of fact just ask any defensive coordinator if you can and see what they tell you.
What?Vick's only played in 10.5 games, and is producing about 305 yds of total offense and 2.7 TD's per game. Brady is producing 255 yds and 2.3 TD's per game. (Looking strictly at passing, Brady is averaging 254.4 YPG and Vick is averaging 250.9, a marginal difference). Brady has a higher completion percentage, but Vick has a higher YPA. So you're arguing that stats show Brady to be a better player because he's played in 3 more games?
I think both guys deserve it. Nobody should be arguing that either guy clearly deserves it over the other IMO.
im not saying brady is the better player or deserves it more. im saying there isn't a clear cut winner at this point, that's all.Originally Posted by 5am6oody72
Originally Posted by DeadsetAce
so you showed me statistically, brady is better (3 more games, but it is what it is)Originally Posted by Deuce King
Dam champ, when Brady is involved you don't miss a beat do you??......... As far as stats go.......
Brady
31 TD's
4 Ints.
3,561 yards passing
109.9 QB rating
14 games played
17 rushing yards
1 rushing TD's
Vick
20 TD's
5 Ints.
2,755 yards passing
103.6 QB rating
11 games played
613 rushing yards
8 rushing TD's
The fact that Vick missed 3 games this season and has stats that are comparable to Brady speaks for itself. Also, Vick not even being his team's starting QB at the beginning of the season and still leading his team to the record that have says alot as well. I think alot of people, not just on here but in the media as well sort of overlook Vick rushing yards or the he is aTHREAT in that area as a quarterback, at least the MVP voters. The traditional mindset is that a QB is suppose to pass only but Vick as well as others before him broke that mold.......or at least attempted to. The problem is that alot of people still have that mentality that a "real" QB isn't suppose to run........according to their definition. I've seen it happen with Randall Cunningham and I've seen it happen with my boy Steve Young. Now I'm seeing it with Micheal Vick. At the end of the day for any and everyone saying that Brady is or should be the MVP ask yourself if you were a defender, doens't matter which position which QB between Brady and Vick would you have more problems with right now trying to defend?? Matter of fact just ask any defensive coordinator if you can and see what they tell you.
What?Vick's only played in 10.5 games, and is producing about 305 yds of total offense and 2.7 TD's per game. Brady is producing 255 yds and 2.3 TD's per game. (Looking strictly at passing, Brady is averaging 254.4 YPG and Vick is averaging 250.9, a marginal difference). Brady has a higher completion percentage, but Vick has a higher YPA. So you're arguing that stats show Brady to be a better player because he's played in 3 more games?
I think both guys deserve it. Nobody should be arguing that either guy clearly deserves it over the other IMO.
Originally Posted by EvansST
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and what is your point? Tom Brady is a better quarterback and the MVP of the league, has nothing to do with who is elite or not because they are obviously both elite this year ... if you are trying to tell me Vick is an elite quarterback for his career then yes i have a problem ...Originally Posted by moneyisthemotive
Originally Posted by EvansST
and what is your point? Tom Brady is a better quarterback and the MVP of the league, has nothing to do with who is elite or not because they are obviously both elite this year ... if you are trying to tell me Vick is an elite quarterback for his career then yes i have a problem ...Originally Posted by moneyisthemotive
Originally Posted by EvansST
Me being a Patriots fan has nothing to do with it. Vick isn't going to win the MVP, mark my words.
Me being a Patriots fan has nothing to do with it. Vick isn't going to win the MVP, mark my words.
